[anachronix]

A quote from Heikki. Source: Atlas F1 BB

Helsingin Sanomat
October 17, 2008
Shanghai

"Lewis is an aggressive and an uncompromising driver, whose reactions can be fierce. And at times they have been excessive," says Kovalainen.

"I've had to dodge his moves myself a couple of times, and I've made it clear to him that I won't be doing that indefinitely. If nothing changes, we're bound to have a collision between us at some point."


For next season, Kovalainen is also calling out for a different attitude towards him from his team.

"It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that, barring one instance (British GP), I've had a heavier fuel load than Lewis in qualifying."

"If you want to have a shot at the championship, you have to qualify in the front row. Even after a good qualifying performance, I'm starting in 4th, 5th or 6th. That doesn't help your race at all."

[Aditya]

One of the possible reasons why McLaren may not win the WCC this year.
Probably they wanted to play it safe this year after last year's fiasco - both drivers gunning for the WDC and tripping over each other.

[ajmat]

What is the point on banging on about Lewis's past behaviour? He won fair and square in Shanghai and it is quite clear he has been asked to be a lot more disciplined.

Kimi and Massa were off-pace by many seconds, not milli-seconds. They ended up being heavy lorries blocking Alonso and Kubica from making the race more interesting. Handing over an advantage like that to Massa was certainly not racing, if it was horseracing, the jockey would have been pulled over by now

So allegedly spying or allegedly championship fixing, unfair advantage realised in both cases! I fail to see a difference!

[anachronix]

Originally Posted by ajmat

Handing over an advantage like that to Massa was certainly not racing, if it was horseracing, the jockey would have been pulled over by now

So allegedly spying or allegedly championship fixing, unfair advantage realised in both cases! I fail to see a difference!

What are your thoughts on the European GP 2008 overtaking between Lewis & Heikki?

I am wondering why people often become blind to facts when its the team they support do the allegedly spying or allegedly championship fixing, unfair advantage!

[ajmat]

Originally Posted by anachronix

What are your thoughts on the European GP 2008 overtaking between Lewis & Heikki?

You have specific examples ? Please do let us know what exactly happened?

Since you also feel that handing over positions and not racing might not be the right thing to do, you might be finding you are blinding yourself.

Each driver / team have their good and bad points, Agreed, Hamilton is a loudmouth, immature, over-aggressive but he has talent which needs a lot more discipline which is coming in! Saying that Schumi was not exactly scandal free either?

Heiki shows promise but he needs time to develop his talents further.

Kimi is a good driver but he has given up on himself - wrong car at the wrong time. Also Massa has upstaged him but he handles it well unlike Alonso. Alonso is actually once of the best drivers but he has attitude

I have not seen you provide a balanced view yourself. Most of your posts on Lewis Hamilton are mere insults and comments are very one-sided. Your last post was from a bulletin board and not an actual press quote. True, the British are overboard and going gaga over him but so did we with Abhinav Bindra.

I suggest if you want to contribute on this thread, focus on the race analysis and not on over the top bad mouthing. It would be foolish to say that I am not biased but I am not blind to anyones strengths and weakeness's. I was pleased to see Vettel win, I admire Massa's consistency but I am not going all out to bad mouth them.

On a "biased" closing note, you got to admit, Lewis has made watching F1 much more interesting

[jraj]

Originally Posted by Aditya

One of the possible reasons why McLaren may not win the WCC this year.
Probably they wanted to play it safe this year after last year's fiasco - both drivers gunning for the WDC and tripping over each other.

Cant agree more.
While Felipe made sure LH didnt get off a good start at Interlagos last year,Alonso made LH run wide which definitely cost him a lot.

Originally Posted by ajmat

You have specific examples ? Please do let us know what exactly happened?

Hmm.Heikki was slower than LH and so he DECIDED to let LH pass him-this is what Mclaren said I think.
But before everything,I think we all remember how Mika won his first GP,dont we?

[anachronix]

Originally Posted by ajmat

You have specific examples ? Please do let us know what exactly happened?

Heikki slowed down to let Hamilton pass through which was more obvious of team orders for which Mclaren clarified that to be a decision taken by the drivers.

A search on youtube would give you better results with a visual on the move!

[wanderlustindia]

Ok. Ok. peace guys. Lets not get into the same mould all over again. All this Ferrari v McLaren and respective allegiances are taking us nowhere. Are we here to discuss this or the F1 as a sport?

I understand we all are passionate about the sport and about the teams/drivers we support. But lets just focus on the races, analysis rather than getting into team/driver bashing.

Remember, the mods are keeping a close watch and infractions could be on their way if we do not tone down our discussions. (Taking cue from the Bullet Classic thread where an infraction was ordered for a member when the discussion become too hot to handle for mods and members alike).

Can we just get back to discussing the Brazilian GP, predictions, etc etc.

[turbo_v12]

Originally Posted by speedzak

I still wish he terminates his Ferrari contract and returns to his real home!

Amen... GODSPEED....

[suman]

Originally Posted by ajmat

On a "biased" closing note, you got to admit, Lewis has made watching F1 much more interesting

Ajmat, while I agree by & large with the rest of your analysis, I think the reason why I'm enjoying F1 this year is simply because of the number of different people we are seeing on the podium. Was unthinkable a while ago when it was either a Ferrari or a Mclaren..............

[anachronix]

Originally Posted by ajmat

I have not seen you provide a balanced view yourself. Most of your posts on Lewis Hamilton are mere insults and comments are very one-sided. Your last post was from a bulletin board and not an actual press quote. True, the British are overboard and going gaga over him but so did we with Abhinav Bindra.

I suggest if you want to contribute on this thread, focus on the race analysis and not on over the top bad mouthing. It would be foolish to say that I am not biased but I am not blind to anyones strengths and weakeness's. I was pleased to see Vettel win, I admire Massa's consistency but I am not going all out to bad mouth them.

Originally Posted by anachronix

A boring race from the start to the end.

Good work from the Mclaren team and Lewis. Drove a very calm race.

Shocked to see Ferraris lose so much of performance in just a weekend. Hope they give a tough fight in Brazil to its competitors.

Heikki was below par and 0.5 seconds slower than Lewis. Dont know if the driver equality lessons of Ron have gone a bit too much on him.

Waiting for the Brazilian action!

Its really annoying to see people calling it unfair and unjust only when a red car is involved.

Hope you get my point!

[speedzak]

Brazilian grand prix once again is going to be an exciting one as the last race of MS. The prime difference is that Massa doesn't possess the same attacking power as the former.
Man! What if there's some good rain and lots of action happening on track? It would be amazing and will give many a thrills and suspenses.

[F50]

Originally Posted by danlalan

As for Kimi he will bang for sure. You got that right. INTO THE WALL!!

Because of such wishes Kimi never won a WDC at Mclaren.

Originally Posted by Aditya

Just shows that you depend on others' misfortunes and accidents for a Ferrari win. Also shows that you don't favour a clean, accident-free race.
BTW, you might have to eat your words in a couple of years time. Alonso might well be driving for Ferrari in 2010.

How many times is Glock is going to crash into Hamilton? all 18 races if possible? Come on. Only one.
For how many races is Alonso willing to help Massa? 2 races? Next season he is going to have a car to compete for 3rd WDC that time I dont think he will say that I ll help Massa win this year too or atleast this year.
These are just wishes.
And for Alonso joining Ferrari? After Michael Schumacher, it doesnt matter who is it, as long as its a Ferrari. I hate Alonso for his cry baby attitude. But its a fact that after M.Schumacher he is the only person who can develop a car to its technical limit and rest leave it to his abilities. If he comes to Ferrari, Mclarens' title-less years will continue.

Originally Posted by Aditya

None of us is a commentator. We're just fans. This statement makes another Ferrari fan's comments all the more irrelevant.

A person who observes and comments on something is a commentator. You and me are commentators.

Originally Posted by finneyp

N_C back to his back the Winner antics!

I really feel sad for Heiki. All the possible wrong things could have gone wrong have gone with him. I think the Mclaren F1 which Heiki drives is Made in China, thats why so many failures!! Hamilton played pure politics to get rid of Alonso so that he can be Number 1. I want to see a tire failure in Hamilton's car as well and in Brazil if possible.

[Aditya]

Originally Posted by F50

How many times is Glock is going to crash into Hamilton? all 18 races if possible? Come on. Only one.

Dude, one race or 2 races or 18 races, this still proves my point.

Originally Posted by Aditya

Just shows that you depend on others' misfortunes and accidents for a Ferrari win. Also shows that you don't favour a clean, accident-free race.

Originally Posted by F50

For how many races is Alonso willing to help Massa? 2 races? Next season he is going to have a car to compete for 3rd WDC that time I dont think he will say that I ll help Massa win this year too or atleast this year.

That's understood and completely out of context.
What you said was

Originally Posted by F50

GO Alonso!! Take out Hamilton!!!

Further proof that what I said was true.

Originally Posted by F50

And for Alonso joining Ferrari? After Michael Schumacher, it doesnt matter who is it, as long as its a Ferrari. I hate Alonso for his cry baby attitude. But its a fact that after M.Schumacher he is the only person who can develop a car to its technical limit and rest leave it to his abilities. If he comes to Ferrari, Mclarens' title-less years will continue.

Precisely my point. You put Alonso or Hamilton or even Osama Bin Laden in a Ferrari, you'll support him.
As for as McLaren not winning titles, it will hurt a bit, but, if the the opponent is good, I never bad mouth him or hope that someone else takes him out. If Alonso goes to Ferrari and is fighting for the WDC, I will cheer for him. After all, he is still my favourite driver. However, it dosen't mean I'll cheer for Ferrari. I'll still want the WCC to go to McLaren.

Originally Posted by F50

A person who observes and comments on something is a commentator. You and me are commentators.

You're going way off-topic. We were talking about something else if you go back along this thread.

Originally Posted by F50

I really feel sad for Heiki. All the possible wrong things could have gone wrong have gone with him. I think the Mclaren F1 which Heiki drives is Made in China, thats why so many failures!!

I hope no one from Bridgestone is reading this. As far as Heikki's retirement goes, after suffering a puncture, the car had bumped along the length of the track causing damage.

Originally Posted by F50

Hamilton played pure politics to get rid of Alonso so that he can be Number 1.

And what politics did he play, may I know?

Originally Posted by F50

I want to see a tire failure in Hamilton's car as well and in Brazil if possible.

Once again talking about misfortunes to others' cars. Just shows that what speedzak said about hatred and jealousy was true.

[speedzak]

Originally Posted by Aditya

Precisely my point. You put Alonso or Hamilton or even Osama Bin Laden in a Ferrari, you'll support him.

When do I get to drive one?

And what politics did he play, may I know?

It was Alonso who played politics in the spying scandal and made sure that he stays out of Mclaren. Not that it was his fault but he could've behaved better.