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mclaren1885 · 15th September 2007, 02:46

Mclaren will come out firing on all cylinders to prove a point to the rest of the world. Expect them to put up a real good fight for the rest of the season.

This Ferrari V/s Mclaren case is a classic example of a teenage couple having unprotected sex and in the near future the girl gets pregnant. Whom will the society conveniently blame? The girl of course. What people don't understand is that the fault is borne by both EQUALLY. If the guy could control his fly and not let it out of his pants, the pregnancy would not have occurred at all. Here the boy being Ferrari and the lgirl being Mclaren.

There is saying in Telugu, words of which should not be published on a public forum. But the essence of that is "One should wash their own After.Sales.Service before trying to point fingers at others dirty posteriors". In this world of sport every team tries to look for that hint to gain advantage over the opposition. This has happened in all forms of the game. The verdict is out, its time to move on.

Our so called Tifosi here are so blindly by love that they really don't care even if Ferrari were to win the championship without any competition. I say ban Mclaren next year too, or Ross Brawn should supply them with another dossier in 2008. Once again Ferrari should go onto win not by merit on track but because of their carelessness and inability to keep their secrets/strategy confidential.

Augers really well for Ferrari's status doesn't it? Winning without a competitive team all because they couldn't keep their fly where it belonged. Long live Tifosi, long live Ferrari, long live the Sport. F1 Zindabad.

cheap_deal · 15th September 2007, 02:48

Ferrari 1 & 2 all the way. funny thing is every time i say this Mclaren gets a 1 & 2 finish :(

merve_extreme · 15th September 2007, 08:26

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Originally Posted by mclaren1885

Mclaren will come out firing on all cylinders to prove a point to the rest of the world. Expect them to put up a real good fight for the rest of the season.

This Ferrari V/s Mclaren case is a classic example of a teenage couple having unprotected sex and in the near future the girl gets pregnant. Whom will the society conveniently blame? The girl of course.

what point will they prove the world? They are punished and they are guilty of cheating.This is typical hippocracy of Mclaren and its fans.

and that example is the wierdest i have ever come across.doesn't fit the incident at all.There was never a consent of both the involved parties(Mclaren and Ferrari) but of one team and one rogue employee.

speedzak · 15th September 2007, 09:47

Isn't it nice to carry on with the predictions here and discuss about the scam on the other?

Waiting with hands and fingers crossed for the qualifying!

turbo_v12 · 15th September 2007, 11:26

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what point will they prove the world? They are punished and they are guilty of cheating.This is typical hippocracy of Mclaren and its fans.

Can you please elaborate? And doesn't what mclaren1885 said make sense? Does for me...

madhav · 15th September 2007, 12:06

All the investigations so far has proved beyond doubt that McLaren had Ferrari documents and knew how Ferrari's car was built and how it worked. Now in F1 with personnel changing employers this kinda information is going to be move from one team to another.

The fact is WMSC has not been able to prove that McLaren has gained or used Ferrari technology/information on their cars. McLaren has a strong R&D team and has been in this business for many many years and won many championships. As Steer put it they are at fault as they knew a competitors technical information but it ends there.
Adrian Newey the God of aerodynamics in F1 is now with Red Bull, and he carries so much tech info about McLaren that Red Bull should have started winning races. But that hasn't happened coz the cars are different and what you know about one car cannot be immediately applied on another to gain that advantage.

So if you see a McLaren car winning races don't start to scream that it is because they know Ferrari secrets. They are winning races because they developed a car which is built on last years design and made it bullet proof. Mercedes engines were unreliable last year... you think they saw Ferrari documents and suddenly became reliable!!!

McLaren have been punished for holding Ferrari info and there ends the matter.

If Ferrari wants to prove a point let them now beat McLaren on track in the next four races and win the drivers championship... that will be a fitting reply to this years championship!

Aditya · 15th September 2007, 13:26

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Originally Posted by speedzak

Isn't it nice to carry on with the predictions here and discuss about the scam on the other?

Well said.
Get the point, guys?

merve_extreme · 15th September 2007, 15:03

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Originally Posted by turbo_v12

Can you please elaborate? And doesn't what mclaren1885 said make sense? Does for me...

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/motor-...tml#post565086

please check this.

Gordon · 15th September 2007, 17:04

Is the qualifying being aired?!

LandCruiser · 15th September 2007, 17:07

Qualifying is not live on star sports? can some one tell where it is telecast in india?

Vid6639 · 15th September 2007, 17:10

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Originally Posted by LandCruiser

Qualifying is not live on star sports? can some one tell where it is telecast in india?

It's still 20 mins away so should be live on espn or star.

merve_extreme · 15th September 2007, 17:15

Not live on either ESPN or Star Sports.Deffered telecast is at 2400 15th sept(or 0000 16th)

check live timing at f1.com

Gordon · 15th September 2007, 17:17

Yup, just checked. No live qualifying. Will watch it at 0000. Else, only live race.

merve_extreme · 15th September 2007, 18:15

Q1

Alonso 1.46.058
Massa 1.46.060
Kimi 1.46.242
Hamilton 1.46.437

Q2

Kimi 1.45.070
Hamilton 1.45.132
Massa 1.45.173
Alonso 1.45.442

Q3

Kimi 1.45.994
Massa 1.46.011
Alonso 1.46.091
Hamilton 1.46.406

F50 · 15th September 2007, 18:38

Ferrari 1-2. Awesome.

It was one really close qualifying. Must watch at 00:00 hrs.

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15th September 2007, 02:46	#2176
mclaren1885 BANNED Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bangalore (the city of modded cars) !! Posts: 4,818 Thanked: 46 Times View My Garage Infractions: 0/1 (10)	Mclaren will come out firing on all cylinders to prove a point to the rest of the world. Expect them to put up a real good fight for the rest of the season. This Ferrari V/s Mclaren case is a classic example of a teenage couple having unprotected sex and in the near future the girl gets pregnant. Whom will the society conveniently blame? The girl of course. What people don't understand is that the fault is borne by both EQUALLY. If the guy could control his fly and not let it out of his pants, the pregnancy would not have occurred at all. Here the boy being Ferrari and the lgirl being Mclaren. There is saying in Telugu, words of which should not be published on a public forum. But the essence of that is "One should wash their own After.Sales.Service before trying to point fingers at others dirty posteriors". In this world of sport every team tries to look for that hint to gain advantage over the opposition. This has happened in all forms of the game. The verdict is out, its time to move on. Our so called Tifosi here are so blindly by love that they really don't care even if Ferrari were to win the championship without any competition. I say ban Mclaren next year too, or Ross Brawn should supply them with another dossier in 2008. Once again Ferrari should go onto win not by merit on track but because of their carelessness and inability to keep their secrets/strategy confidential. Augers really well for Ferrari's status doesn't it? Winning without a competitive team all because they couldn't keep their fly where it belonged. Long live Tifosi, long live Ferrari, long live the Sport. F1 Zindabad.
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15th September 2007, 02:48	#2177
cheap_deal BHPian Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: unknown Posts: 465 Thanked: 8 Times	Ferrari 1 & 2 all the way. funny thing is every time i say this Mclaren gets a 1 & 2 finish :(
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15th September 2007, 09:47	#2179
speedzak BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: India Posts: 4,346 Thanked: 29 Times	Isn't it nice to carry on with the predictions here and discuss about the scam on the other? Waiting with hands and fingers crossed for the qualifying!
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15th September 2007, 12:06	#2181
madhav BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 290 Thanked: 84 Times	All the investigations so far has proved beyond doubt that McLaren had Ferrari documents and knew how Ferrari's car was built and how it worked. Now in F1 with personnel changing employers this kinda information is going to be move from one team to another. The fact is WMSC has not been able to prove that McLaren has gained or used Ferrari technology/information on their cars. McLaren has a strong R&D team and has been in this business for many many years and won many championships. As Steer put it they are at fault as they knew a competitors technical information but it ends there. Adrian Newey the God of aerodynamics in F1 is now with Red Bull, and he carries so much tech info about McLaren that Red Bull should have started winning races. But that hasn't happened coz the cars are different and what you know about one car cannot be immediately applied on another to gain that advantage. So if you see a McLaren car winning races don't start to scream that it is because they know Ferrari secrets. They are winning races because they developed a car which is built on last years design and made it bullet proof. Mercedes engines were unreliable last year... you think they saw Ferrari documents and suddenly became reliable!!! McLaren have been punished for holding Ferrari info and there ends the matter. If Ferrari wants to prove a point let them now beat McLaren on track in the next four races and win the drivers championship... that will be a fitting reply to this years championship!
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15th September 2007, 17:04	#2184
Gordon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,550 Thanked: 508 Times View My Garage	Is the qualifying being aired?!
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15th September 2007, 17:07	#2185
LandCruiser BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 711 Thanked: 51 Times View My Garage	Qualifying is not live on star sports? can some one tell where it is telecast in india?
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15th September 2007, 17:15	#2187
merve_extreme Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,359 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	Not live on either ESPN or Star Sports.Deffered telecast is at 2400 15th sept(or 0000 16th) check live timing at f1.com Last edited by merve_extreme : 15th September 2007 at 17:16.
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15th September 2007, 17:17	#2188
Gordon Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 2,550 Thanked: 508 Times View My Garage	Yup, just checked. No live qualifying. Will watch it at 0000. Else, only live race.
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15th September 2007, 18:15	#2189
merve_extreme Senior - BHPian Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 1,359 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	Qualifying update Q1 Alonso 1.46.058 Massa 1.46.060 Kimi 1.46.242 Hamilton 1.46.437 Q2 Kimi 1.45.070 Hamilton 1.45.132 Massa 1.45.173 Alonso 1.45.442 Q3 Kimi 1.45.994 Massa 1.46.011 Alonso 1.46.091 Hamilton 1.46.406 Last edited by merve_extreme : 15th September 2007 at 18:33.
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15th September 2007, 18:38	#2190
F50 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai/USA Posts: 1,704 Thanked: 103 Times	Ferrari 1-2. Awesome. It was one really close qualifying. Must watch at 00:00 hrs. Last edited by F50 : 15th September 2007 at 18:50.
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