shibujp's Swift Diesel Long term report - 1,30,000 kms update

GSMINC · 31st January 2010, 16:22

shibujp,
Did you get the EGR valve cleaning done? any feedback on this
My car has just crossed 70000kms & is due for service, was was thinking on the same lines

shibujp · 31st January 2010, 20:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSMINC

shibujp,
Did you get the EGR valve cleaning done? any feedback on this
My car has just crossed 70000kms & is due for service, was was thinking on the same lines

Nope..not yet. Am planning to get this done in two weeks time. If you get it done before that..let me know. According to the SA this valve is located over the steering box so that is why it takes so much time. I assume they will have to move the steering box out of the way to get at it.

Let me know the results if you get it done before me.

Drive on,
Shibu.

GSMINC · 6th February 2010, 17:14

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Originally Posted by shibujp

Nope..not yet. Am planning to get this done in two weeks time. If you get it done before that..let me know. According to the SA this valve is located over the steering box so that is why it takes so much time. I assume they will have to move the steering box out of the way to get at it.

Let me know the results if you get it done before me.

Drive on,
Shibu.

Pal, I am waiting for you to get it done first

kulvinder singh · 11th February 2010, 10:24

Hi
Actually the egr unit is way above the steering box to get to it you only need to remove the battery and airfilter housing.

Theres a guy in Jamshedpur who's got a blog detailing the operation, with pictures:

DM's Maruti Suzuki Swift Vdi: Problem with the EGR valve

Its actually a simple job you could do it yourself--- however whether the SA ( by that I presume you mean Your service agent) or you do it yourself, one of the weak points on this engine is the seal between the oil cooler and the coolent jacket-- don't put the old one back put a new one and make sure its seating correctly!

shibujp · 11th February 2010, 14:32

Thanks Kulvinder.

Got to get back to my SA (yep Service Advisor) on this. Thanks for the link to the blog. The EGR article was very good.

Drive on!!
Shibu.

GSMINC · 14th February 2010, 19:18

Shibu,
Just queried about the EGR valve cleaning & the service advisor told me that thay have never done that job on any swift till date, later on spoke to somebody from Maruti who clarified that EGR has a sensor, incase of any malfunction an error code would be registered, & when such a thing happens they would clean it,

buffoons really

DieselFan · 15th February 2010, 11:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by GSMINC

Shibu,
Just queried about the EGR valve cleaning & the service advisor told me that thay have never done that job on any swift till date, later on spoke to somebody from Maruti who clarified that EGR has a sensor, incase of any malfunction an error code would be registered, & when such a thing happens they would clean it,

buffoons really

I call them customer friendly for two reasons -
1. Not to overcharge customer on unwanted servicing. EGR valve is not a critical part that will stop the car if it is dirty.
2. Not to open up the car when not needed.

Mind you the car is drivable even when the EGR valve is dirty and you get the error code. So if that is the case then why should MASS unnecessarily carry out this service beforehand?

Jaggu · 15th February 2010, 18:20

I haven't checked the manual, but somebody was mentioning EGR cleaning is recommended for 30k service. If its not important why do they put it up in the manual?

shibujp · 16th February 2010, 01:49

I believe the service stations take a view that whats mentioned in the manual is a list of things that they can do to make money off a service....like a multiple choice. Pick any 5 where money for service is greater than 2000 bucks!!

On another note I think they prioritise based on the available mechanics expertise, the number of cars for service etc.

Drive on,
Shibu.

DieselFan · 16th February 2010, 10:42

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Originally Posted by Jaggu

I haven't checked the manual, but somebody was mentioning EGR cleaning is recommended for 30k service. If its not important why do they put it up in the manual?

No Idea of why this is in the Manual while some key items like intercooler/Turbo service is not mentioned at all. EGR blockage doesn't stop the car it is a pollution control feature only. Cars runs but will pollute the air a bit more till you get the same rectified. I think Maruti has mentioned it maybe it is required to be mentioned by Law like we need to get the pollution control certificate for the car once every 6 months by law.

kulvinder singh · 16th February 2010, 11:20

guys, just for info-- egr's really only work at high rpms , so most of the time they are useless. Theres always been a debate about their actual benefits vis a vis emissions,but in short- certainly in the west- a lot of people are getting rid of them as soon as the warranty period is over- and reporting better running as a result. Quite a few company's abroad are making bypass kits. For me in particular the concern is with the DDIS Oil cooler arrangement- which is integrated with the egr i.e the radiator coolent cools the egr as well as the oil; if a problem occurs here-- and its happened to quite a few including me--- you will find oil in the coolent, word of caution don't let the SA's tell you its the Head Gasket!!

jkdas · 16th February 2010, 12:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by DieselFan

EGR blockage doesn't stop the car it is a pollution control feature only. Cars runs but will pollute the air a bit more till you get the same rectified.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kulvinder singh

guys, just for info-- egr's really only work at high rpms , so most of the time they are useless.
Theres always been a debate about their actual benefits vis a vis emissions,but in short- certainly in the west- a lot of people are getting rid of them as soon as the warranty period is over- and reporting better running as a result. Quite a few company's abroad are making bypass kits.
For me in particular the concern is with the DDIS Oil cooler arrangement- which is integrated with the egr i.e the radiator coolent cools the egr as well as the oil; if a problem occurs here-- and its happened to quite a few including me--- you will find oil in the coolent, word of caution don't let the SA's tell you its the Head Gasket!!

Have heard of people getting rid of it here; without it the engine feels smoother, better and more silent.

kulvinder singh · 16th February 2010, 14:20

well stands to reason-- afterall any removal of restrictions in the air intake is going to make an engine run better, but I think whats more worrying is that as the egr gets dirtier-- they get packed full of soot--- at some stage that soot is going to go further in the passage and start to settle in the Intake manifold;clogging it up!! then into the cumbustion chamber clogging that up ( perhaps this is going to happen more to cars driven less frequently and at low speeds), however, I think the point is : if you don't wan't to get rid of the "dastardly device" at least clean it and as often as poss- given the quality of diesel we get here, I'dsuggest every 10K kms

shibujp · 19th February 2010, 10:58

Perhaps that is why the service centers try to get us to decarbonise the engine. Also regarding the EGR cleaning the fact that is might be mandated by the law is a good point.

Especially with Govts getting tougher on emission controls companies do not want to be caught on the wrong end of the stick.

Drive on!!
Shibu.

Jaggu · 19th February 2010, 11:08

Decarbonize is an absolute crap, they try to clean up the carbon by mixing some liquid in the fuel and running it in high rpms. Instead take the car for a good long run!

Manual decarb of EGR is a very different thing.

31st January 2010, 16:22	#46
GSMINC BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 395 Thanked: 198 Times	shibujp, Did you get the EGR valve cleaning done? any feedback on this My car has just crossed 70000kms & is due for service, was was thinking on the same lines
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11th February 2010, 10:24	#49
kulvinder singh BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Pondicherry, London Posts: 64 Thanked: 5 Times	Hi Actually the egr unit is way above the steering box to get to it you only need to remove the battery and airfilter housing. Theres a guy in Jamshedpur who's got a blog detailing the operation, with pictures: DM's Maruti Suzuki Swift Vdi: Problem with the EGR valve Its actually a simple job you could do it yourself--- however whether the SA ( by that I presume you mean Your service agent) or you do it yourself, one of the weak points on this engine is the seal between the oil cooler and the coolent jacket-- don't put the old one back put a new one and make sure its seating correctly!
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11th February 2010, 14:32	#50
shibujp Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 1,791 Thanked: 3,370 Times View My Garage	Thanks Kulvinder. Got to get back to my SA (yep Service Advisor) on this. Thanks for the link to the blog. The EGR article was very good. Drive on!! Shibu.
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14th February 2010, 19:18	#51
GSMINC BHPian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 395 Thanked: 198 Times	Shibu, Just queried about the EGR valve cleaning & the service advisor told me that thay have never done that job on any swift till date, later on spoke to somebody from Maruti who clarified that EGR has a sensor, incase of any malfunction an error code would be registered, & when such a thing happens they would clean it, buffoons really
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15th February 2010, 18:20	#53
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,320 Times	I haven't checked the manual, but somebody was mentioning EGR cleaning is recommended for 30k service. If its not important why do they put it up in the manual?
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16th February 2010, 01:49	#54
shibujp Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 1,791 Thanked: 3,370 Times View My Garage	I believe the service stations take a view that whats mentioned in the manual is a list of things that they can do to make money off a service....like a multiple choice. Pick any 5 where money for service is greater than 2000 bucks!! On another note I think they prioritise based on the available mechanics expertise, the number of cars for service etc. Drive on, Shibu.
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16th February 2010, 11:20	#56
kulvinder singh BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Pondicherry, London Posts: 64 Thanked: 5 Times	guys, just for info-- egr's really only work at high rpms , so most of the time they are useless. Theres always been a debate about their actual benefits vis a vis emissions,but in short- certainly in the west- a lot of people are getting rid of them as soon as the warranty period is over- and reporting better running as a result. Quite a few company's abroad are making bypass kits. For me in particular the concern is with the DDIS Oil cooler arrangement- which is integrated with the egr i.e the radiator coolent cools the egr as well as the oil; if a problem occurs here-- and its happened to quite a few including me--- you will find oil in the coolent, word of caution don't let the SA's tell you its the Head Gasket!!
	() Thanks

16th February 2010, 14:20	#58
kulvinder singh BHPian Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Pondicherry, London Posts: 64 Thanked: 5 Times	well stands to reason-- afterall any removal of restrictions in the air intake is going to make an engine run better, but I think whats more worrying is that as the egr gets dirtier-- they get packed full of soot--- at some stage that soot is going to go further in the passage and start to settle in the Intake manifold;clogging it up!! then into the cumbustion chamber clogging that up ( perhaps this is going to happen more to cars driven less frequently and at low speeds), however, I think the point is : if you don't wan't to get rid of the "dastardly device" at least clean it and as often as poss- given the quality of diesel we get here, I'dsuggest every 10K kms
	() Thanks

19th February 2010, 10:58	#59
shibujp Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Trivandrum Posts: 1,791 Thanked: 3,370 Times View My Garage	Perhaps that is why the service centers try to get us to decarbonise the engine. Also regarding the EGR cleaning the fact that is might be mandated by the law is a good point. Especially with Govts getting tougher on emission controls companies do not want to be caught on the wrong end of the stick. Drive on!! Shibu.
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19th February 2010, 11:08	#60
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,379 Thanked: 17,320 Times	Decarbonize is an absolute crap, they try to clean up the carbon by mixing some liquid in the fuel and running it in high rpms. Instead take the car for a good long run! Manual decarb of EGR is a very different thing.
	() Thanks