Finally a modern hatch: Hyundai i10 Sportz AT

Mpower · 27th April 2011, 21:45

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Originally Posted by blackasta

sorry to know about such a problem - maybe this can help:

1998 Honda Civic The Car Shakes when shift from N or P > R D? - Yahoo! Answers

If its an busted engine mount, then every time you hit the accelerator while in motion, you will get the jerk.

Samurai · 29th April 2011, 19:04

Until yesterday, every thing that could have gone wrong has been checked. Nothing came out of it.

Today, two fellows from Advait Hyundai Mangalore came to inspect the car, one of them was an auto-transmission expert. They checked every wire, used the scanner to check any possible error, and found nothing. Now they suspect malfunction in the ECM. Since this car has immobilizer, they can't just swap the ECM from another car. Some kind of re-coding has to be done, not sure what that means.

Therefore, tomorrow they will be driving the car from Udupi to Mangalore. At Advait's service center they are somehow going to put a different ECM and see if the AT box acts differently. It is really depressing to see all this happening to a 2 month old car.

My former Santro Xing AT didn't have a single major issue until the 7th year. That too was caused by a torn CV joint boot. And here I am with a two month i10 AT, major problem after just two months.

Did I just get unlucky or is there a general deterioration in Hyundai quality?

Vid6639 · 29th April 2011, 19:28

Samurai, why do you want them to drive the car to Mangalore. They should arrange for a flat bed truck. If there is any major issue with the transmission driving up may aggravate the issue further.

Hyundai should tow it on a flat bed truck.

supremeBaleno · 29th April 2011, 19:30

I would think it is just a one-off instance - especially since we have many i10-AT owners on the forum who haven't seen any such issues.

BTW, just shooting in the dark - but would it help to reset the ECU and see if it helps ?

Samurai · 30th April 2011, 00:53

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Originally Posted by vid6639

Samurai, why do you want them to drive the car to Mangalore. They should arrange for a flat bed truck. If there is any major issue with the transmission driving up may aggravate the issue further.

Hyundai should tow it on a flat bed truck.

All the experts who worked on it so far feel it can be safely driven.

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Originally Posted by supremeBaleno

BTW, just shooting in the dark - but would it help to reset the ECU and see if it helps ?

They have been at it for 4 days now. I am sure they would have done that by now.

For now I will let all the Hyundai authorized professionals to work on it without me getting in the way. The vehicle is under warranty and it is their job to fix it. If they can't fix it in another week, then I will have to escalate it to the company.

Furebo · 30th April 2011, 02:44

Sorry to hear about the issues you are facing. Hope the outcome is positive, That said you have very little to worry about (Warranty).

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Originally Posted by Samurai

Did I just get unlucky or is there a general deterioration in Hyundai quality?

A bit of both if I may add. But I doubt it as a one off for the simplest reason as over time I have seen Hyundai quality deteriorating (Steering rattles etc).

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Originally Posted by Samurai

If they can't fix it in another week, then I will have to escalate it to the company.

Have you asked them for a Loaner car? If not do so immediately.

Samurai · 30th April 2011, 09:38

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Originally Posted by Furebo

Have you asked them for a Loaner car? If not do so immediately.

Don't need a loaner car as of now. But I would need one if this saga doesn't end before my family returns to Bangalore.

Furebo · 30th April 2011, 10:43

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Originally Posted by Samurai

Don't need a loaner car as of now. But I would need one if this saga doesn't end before my family returns to Bangalore.

Why take a chance? They will have to provide one to you. That being said the loaner may make them solve the issues ASAP.

My 2¢

Samurai · 1st May 2011, 09:26

Yesterday i10 was driven to Mangalore by the same AT technician who worked on it previous day.

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Originally Posted by Furebo

Why take a chance? They will have to provide one to you. That being said the loaner may make them solve the issues ASAP.

My 2¢

My i10 is primarily used in Bangalore. At Manipal it was just parked and not used. If I take the loaner now, it will suffer the same fate. But in 15 days my family has to return to Bangalore, where i10 is our only vehicle. That is where I'll need a loaner, if at all if it comes to that. Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

Samurai · 2nd May 2011, 19:01

Got an update from Autoland today. Advaith Mangalore is getting a ECM kit by tomorrow afternoon from Bangalore. Apparently this includes the immobilizer too. Then they will replace the ECM and test it.

Ok, I have a question here. In immobilizer equipped cars, the ECM can't be swapped so easily. This is because mismatch will occur between the car key and the ECM. Now if they are changing the ECM, will they replace the key too? Don't they have to replace the entire lock assembly. How does this work?

MCR · 2nd May 2011, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Samurai

Got an update from Autoland today. Advaith Mangalore is getting a ECM kit by tomorrow afternoon from Bangalore. Apparently this includes the immobilizer too. Then they will replace the ECM and test it.

Ok, I have a question here. In immobilizer equipped cars, the ECM can't be swapped so easily. This is because mismatch will occur between the car key and the ECM. Now if they are changing the ECM, will they replace the key too? Don't they have to replace the entire lock assembly. How does this work?

The ECM just needs to be reprogrammed with the key code. The key code is normally provided printed on a card during the time of delivery.

Samurai · 3rd May 2011, 12:57

The culprit has been found!

Today morning I got a call directly from Advaith Hyundai, Mangalore. Once they swapped the ECM, the problem vanished into thin air. It was a faulty ECM after all. How it went bad right after first service is a mystery, but that is not important now. Since the i10 AT ECM is not in stock, they have put in an emergency order with the Factory in Chennai. It should be here within 3-4 days.

I was asked to submit the other key too, since both keys need to be re-programmed.

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Originally Posted by MCR

The ECM just needs to be reprogrammed with the key code. The key code is normally provided printed on a card during the time of delivery.

I asked about that. They didn't want any key code. I was just asked to send my second key.

anekho · 3rd May 2011, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Samurai

The culprit has been found!

Today morning I got a call directly from Advaith Hyundai, Mangalore. Once they swapped the ECM, the problem vanished into thin air. It was a faulty ECM after all. How it went bad right after first service is a mystery, but that is not important now. Since the i10 AT ECM is not in stock, they have put in an emergency order with the Factory in Chennai. It should be here within 3-4 days.

I was asked to submit the other key too, since both keys need to be re-programmed.

Good to know the problem has been identified. Just curious, how exactly was the faulty ECM causing that jerk (from the transmission)?

noopster · 3rd May 2011, 13:18

Congrats Samurai! Was watching your thread closely and a little anxiously- it would be pitiful if our engineers didn't know how to handle a standard AT. Anyway all's well that ends well. Wishing you many more miles with your beauty!

mohan41 · 3rd May 2011, 13:21

Good to hear that the problem was identified. Any idea what is the cost of the ECM. I just want to get an idea, if this happens beyond warranty period (hope it never comes to that, I own a Santro AT).

29th April 2011, 19:04	#137
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,828 Thanked: 45,555 Times View My Garage	re: Finally a modern hatch: Hyundai i10 Sportz AT Until yesterday, every thing that could have gone wrong has been checked. Nothing came out of it. Today, two fellows from Advait Hyundai Mangalore came to inspect the car, one of them was an auto-transmission expert. They checked every wire, used the scanner to check any possible error, and found nothing. Now they suspect malfunction in the ECM. Since this car has immobilizer, they can't just swap the ECM from another car. Some kind of re-coding has to be done, not sure what that means. Therefore, tomorrow they will be driving the car from Udupi to Mangalore. At Advait's service center they are somehow going to put a different ECM and see if the AT box acts differently. It is really depressing to see all this happening to a 2 month old car. My former Santro Xing AT didn't have a single major issue until the 7th year. That too was caused by a torn CV joint boot. And here I am with a two month i10 AT, major problem after just two months. Did I just get unlucky or is there a general deterioration in Hyundai quality?
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29th April 2011, 19:28	#138
Vid6639 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,730 Thanked: 43,477 Times View My Garage	re: Finally a modern hatch: Hyundai i10 Sportz AT Samurai, why do you want them to drive the car to Mangalore. They should arrange for a flat bed truck. If there is any major issue with the transmission driving up may aggravate the issue further. Hyundai should tow it on a flat bed truck.
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29th April 2011, 19:30	#139
supremeBaleno Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chennai / Kochi Posts: 5,546 Thanked: 2,698 Times View My Garage	re: Finally a modern hatch: Hyundai i10 Sportz AT I would think it is just a one-off instance - especially since we have many i10-AT owners on the forum who haven't seen any such issues. BTW, just shooting in the dark - but would it help to reset the ECU and see if it helps ?
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2nd May 2011, 19:01	#145
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 25,828 Thanked: 45,555 Times View My Garage	re: Finally a modern hatch: Hyundai i10 Sportz AT Got an update from Autoland today. Advaith Mangalore is getting a ECM kit by tomorrow afternoon from Bangalore. Apparently this includes the immobilizer too. Then they will replace the ECM and test it. Ok, I have a question here. In immobilizer equipped cars, the ECM can't be swapped so easily. This is because mismatch will occur between the car key and the ECM. Now if they are changing the ECM, will they replace the key too? Don't they have to replace the entire lock assembly. How does this work?
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3rd May 2011, 13:18	#149
noopster Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Pune Posts: 9,238 Thanked: 12,904 Times View My Garage	re: Finally a modern hatch: Hyundai i10 Sportz AT Congrats Samurai! Was watching your thread closely and a little anxiously- it would be pitiful if our engineers didn't know how to handle a standard AT. Anyway all's well that ends well. Wishing you many more miles with your beauty!
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3rd May 2011, 13:21	#150
mohan41 BHPian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 527 Thanked: 217 Times	re: Finally a modern hatch: Hyundai i10 Sportz AT Good to hear that the problem was identified. Any idea what is the cost of the ECM. I just want to get an idea, if this happens beyond warranty period (hope it never comes to that, I own a Santro AT).
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