Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

Firebird · 19th July 2007, 11:51

I may sound stupid but, my knowledge in auto light is poor. I have Palio. I got it right that this has the setup which needs separate bulbs for High and Low. So in this case, if I have to ask for the vision plus or any equal type bulbs in a shop, what should I be asking. I mean for high and for low what type should I look for.

tsk1979 · 19th July 2007, 12:00

Firebird, Palio has very good lights. If you find the light in your car is not adequate, the culprit may be old reflectors.
Get the reflectors and headlight glass checked and cleaned. Only after that take the new bulb option.
You can take your existing bulbs and get vision+ replacement for the same.
I have experience only with H4, not with Palio type. other palio owners may be able to help you.
That said, if you can get originals in Vision+ (Go to philips distributor, not street shop) it will be great.
Other option in + series is Bosch 30%+, Or Osram silverstar +50%

sumitsingh · 19th July 2007, 12:19

Hi Tsk1979 and others,

Thank you for your inputs. I think I will go to CP and get the Philips +80% . I looked at the Safari's manual and it doesn't mention anything regarding the type or specification of the bulb except that it comes with a halogen bulb and the process of replacing the bulb. I am thinking maybe I could try replacing the bulb myself.

I would need a H4 type of bulb. Now, would I need 2 or 4 of these? As I understand H4 type is for a single bulb that contains two filaments (Both for high and low beam). Please provide your advise on this.

Thanks,
-Sumit

Proxima · 19th July 2007, 12:21

Guys, How can I put this on my 04 Safari Tdi?

It has two bulbs on either side, one for low beam and one for high beam, if I am not mistaken.

tsk1979 · 19th July 2007, 12:22

For Safari main light you would need total 2 H4 bulbs
Older TCIC safari had separate high low beam, so there you would need 4 bulbs, though I am not sure of the type.
Proxima, take out the old bulbs and see what type they are.

Based on that choose Bosch/Vision+/Osram etc., 30-50%+ bulb.

hydrashok · 19th July 2007, 12:30

@ Firebird, I'd upgraded my Palio's bulbs to Philips Rallys a few weeks back - 100w H1s and 80w H7s. I also had to add a Bosch Relay. I don't remember the exact total, but it was Rs.1600/- or Rs.1800/- total.

The light was all right earlier with the stock bulbs. But with the heavy rains and the poor roads (also usually unlit), I felt an upgrade would be nice.

I never drive with the brights on in the city, but the new lights do help me to flash oncoming traffic (with undipped lights) into submission

. The light (both spread and throw) has improved substantially and I'm really happy with the upgrade.

tsk1979 · 19th July 2007, 12:58

hydra, along with the relay did you also change the stock wiring?
If not do so ASAP.
The reason is that stock wiring will give you a significant voltage drop with higher wattage bulbs, so you won't be using them to their full potential.
In some cases it may also damage wiring.
Its like using a thin copper wire for your ICE

Normally Roots/Bosch etc., relays also have complementing wiring kits.
You can buy a roots wiring kit + ceramic holders for 350 odd.
Ceramic holders are important because stock holders may get damaged due to high heat.

hydrashok · 19th July 2007, 13:01

Whoops! The wires did get changed with the relay (it was a full kit, like you said), but not the holders! I'll get this done ASAP. Thanks for the heads up

hydrashok · 19th July 2007, 13:38

Whew! Just checked. The holders had also got changed (duh!) The whole shebang was one full kit-thing I guess

(Whatta relief)!

swathyd · 21st July 2007, 09:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by swathyd

I am going to buy silverstar tomorrow.

Bought and got it fitted, but sincerely speaking not any difference found. I think this 50 + and all are gimmicks.

Another thing is that light from right and left have different throw and quality. I got my right changed after 3 days of delivery due to water presence, it is the right which has poor light.

nkapoor777 · 21st July 2007, 16:10

Phew, got the delivery of the much awaited Philips Extreme Power (80%+). Fitted them last night. The difference is visible but whether worth Rs. 1600, only time will tell.

ankitahuja · 22nd July 2007, 02:26

Ok I fitted the Halonix +60 100/90.

I'm SO DISAPPOINTED. The are like stock 60/55 which are as useless as anything else. The Philips Bluevision 100/90 I had were 10 times better. I don't know whether to get the same ones now or try Narva / Osram. Any suggestions guys?

tsk1979 · 22nd July 2007, 02:37

Which car..?
Did you get a Relay/Wiring upgrade?
If you look at the comparison pics between Narva and Halonix on my Indica, you will see that the Halonix were much brighter than the Narva.

PRADEEP KUMAR · 22nd July 2007, 11:15

Which is the best in the 100/90 category in terms of light intensity and throw.
Experts pls advice.

Akshay1234 · 22nd July 2007, 12:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by ankitahuja

Ok I fitted the Halonix +60 100/90.

I'm SO DISAPPOINTED. The are like stock 60/55 which are as useless as anything else. The Philips Bluevision 100/90 I had were 10 times better. I don't know whether to get the same ones now or try Narva / Osram. Any suggestions guys?

i have narva 100/90 white bulbs. they are very bright. but i dont know about halonix.

19th July 2007, 11:51	#601
Firebird BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Mumbai / EC1M 3NH Posts: 469 Thanked: 66 Times View My Garage	I may sound stupid but, my knowledge in auto light is poor. I have Palio. I got it right that this has the setup which needs separate bulbs for High and Low. So in this case, if I have to ask for the vision plus or any equal type bulbs in a shop, what should I be asking. I mean for high and for low what type should I look for.
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19th July 2007, 12:00	#602
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,695 Thanked: 23,484 Times View My Garage	Firebird, Palio has very good lights. If you find the light in your car is not adequate, the culprit may be old reflectors. Get the reflectors and headlight glass checked and cleaned. Only after that take the new bulb option. You can take your existing bulbs and get vision+ replacement for the same. I have experience only with H4, not with Palio type. other palio owners may be able to help you. That said, if you can get originals in Vision+ (Go to philips distributor, not street shop) it will be great. Other option in + series is Bosch 30%+, Or Osram silverstar +50%
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19th July 2007, 12:19	#603
sumitsingh BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Noida Posts: 128 Thanked: 0 Times View My Garage	Hi Tsk1979 and others, Thank you for your inputs. I think I will go to CP and get the Philips +80% . I looked at the Safari's manual and it doesn't mention anything regarding the type or specification of the bulb except that it comes with a halogen bulb and the process of replacing the bulb. I am thinking maybe I could try replacing the bulb myself. I would need a H4 type of bulb. Now, would I need 2 or 4 of these? As I understand H4 type is for a single bulb that contains two filaments (Both for high and low beam). Please provide your advise on this. Thanks, -Sumit
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19th July 2007, 12:21	#604
Proxima BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chennai Posts: 934 Thanked: 384 Times	Guys, How can I put this on my 04 Safari Tdi? It has two bulbs on either side, one for low beam and one for high beam, if I am not mistaken.
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19th July 2007, 12:22	#605
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,695 Thanked: 23,484 Times View My Garage	For Safari main light you would need total 2 H4 bulbs Older TCIC safari had separate high low beam, so there you would need 4 bulbs, though I am not sure of the type. Proxima, take out the old bulbs and see what type they are. Based on that choose Bosch/Vision+/Osram etc., 30-50%+ bulb. Last edited by tsk1979 : 19th July 2007 at 12:24.
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19th July 2007, 12:30	#606
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,527 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	@ Firebird, I'd upgraded my Palio's bulbs to Philips Rallys a few weeks back - 100w H1s and 80w H7s. I also had to add a Bosch Relay. I don't remember the exact total, but it was Rs.1600/- or Rs.1800/- total. The light was all right earlier with the stock bulbs. But with the heavy rains and the poor roads (also usually unlit), I felt an upgrade would be nice. I never drive with the brights on in the city, but the new lights do help me to flash oncoming traffic (with undipped lights) into submission . The light (both spread and throw) has improved substantially and I'm really happy with the upgrade. Last edited by hydrashok : 19th July 2007 at 12:41.
	() Thanks

19th July 2007, 12:58	#607
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,695 Thanked: 23,484 Times View My Garage	hydra, along with the relay did you also change the stock wiring? If not do so ASAP. The reason is that stock wiring will give you a significant voltage drop with higher wattage bulbs, so you won't be using them to their full potential. In some cases it may also damage wiring. Its like using a thin copper wire for your ICE Normally Roots/Bosch etc., relays also have complementing wiring kits. You can buy a roots wiring kit + ceramic holders for 350 odd. Ceramic holders are important because stock holders may get damaged due to high heat.
	() Thanks

19th July 2007, 13:01	#608
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,527 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	Whoops! The wires did get changed with the relay (it was a full kit, like you said), but not the holders! I'll get this done ASAP. Thanks for the heads up
	() Thanks

19th July 2007, 13:38	#609
hydrashok Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: In my Office Posts: 2,527 Thanked: 18 Times View My Garage	Whew! Just checked. The holders had also got changed (duh!) The whole shebang was one full kit-thing I guess (Whatta relief)!
	() Thanks

21st July 2007, 16:10	#611
nkapoor777 BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: New Delhi Posts: 609 Thanked: 147 Times	Phew, got the delivery of the much awaited Philips Extreme Power (80%+). Fitted them last night. The difference is visible but whether worth Rs. 1600, only time will tell.
	() Thanks

22nd July 2007, 02:26	#612
ankitahuja BHPian Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 929 Thanked: 99 Times View My Garage	Ok I fitted the Halonix +60 100/90. I'm SO DISAPPOINTED. The are like stock 60/55 which are as useless as anything else. The Philips Bluevision 100/90 I had were 10 times better. I don't know whether to get the same ones now or try Narva / Osram. Any suggestions guys?
	() Thanks

22nd July 2007, 02:37	#613
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,695 Thanked: 23,484 Times View My Garage	Which car..? Did you get a Relay/Wiring upgrade? If you look at the comparison pics between Narva and Halonix on my Indica, you will see that the Halonix were much brighter than the Narva.
	() Thanks

22nd July 2007, 11:15	#614
PRADEEP KUMAR BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: CHENNAI Posts: 388 Thanked: 29 Times	Which is the best in the 100/90 category in terms of light intensity and throw. Experts pls advice.
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