Auto Lighting thread : Post all queries about automobile lighting here

tsk1979 · 31st July 2007, 11:35

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Originally Posted by drhari15

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But i was somehow fascinated by the white lights and wanted to have one.

What I did not know was how big the difference would be!!!!

My conclusion...White lights are great to "be seen", definitely not to "see".

You really want white lights?
Well first things first here is a little guide
Q. Why are white lights not as bright as normal ones
A. White lights are normal lights coated with blue coating. Therefore part of the light of the bulb is blocked. Hence lower light
Q. If I get a bulb which gives white light without any blue coating, will it be brighter than the coated ones?
A. Yes!

There is just one bulb in the market I have seen till now which gives white light without coating. There may be others, but this one I have seen.
Its called Halonix Xenon Blue and it costs 120rs/bulb
No blue coating but white light.
If you can source it, try it, and if you like it do post your experiences here.
If I had time, I would get it and try, but no time now for quite some time.
Maybe Iraghava can go to sector 16 noida. Its not available in all shops, but at very few places.
The wattage is 100/90W

gopinathann · 31st July 2007, 12:05

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Originally Posted by tsk1979

You really want white lights?
Well first things first here is a little guide
Q. Why are white lights not as bright as normal ones
A. White lights are normal lights coated with blue coating. Therefore part of the light of the bulb is blocked. Hence lower light
Q. If I get a bulb which gives white light without any blue coating, will it be brighter than the coated ones?
A. Yes!

There is just one bulb in the market I have seen till now which gives white light without coating. There may be others, but this one I have seen.
Its called Halonix Xenon Blue and it costs 120rs/bulb
No blue coating but white light.
If you can source it, try it, and if you like it do post your experiences here.
If I had time, I would get it and try, but no time now for quite some time.
Maybe Iraghava can go to sector 16 noida. Its not available in all shops, but at very few places.
The wattage is 100/90W

Can we go for 130/100w Philips Crystal/Blue vision bulbs (white light) to produce the same amount of intensity of yellow light so that it can be used in city and highways

tsk1979 · 31st July 2007, 12:13

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Originally Posted by gopinathann

Can we go for 130/100w Philips Crystal/Blue vision bulbs (white light) to produce the same amount of intensity of yellow light so that it can be used in city and highways

You do not get bluevision in 130/110W. Atleast I could not find it anywhere.
130/110 is normal light, and it can potentially ruin your reflector due to high heat.
Stick to 100/90W.

shapath · 31st July 2007, 12:56

i saw this offer in ebay india. has anyone tried this with SANTRO ( I have SANTRO 2000 LE ) i think i do not need to go for any relay/cut out thin. corerct me if im wrong. can anyone compare this with OSRAM 55/60 SILVERSTAR which is available in chennai for 300-350 a pair .
By the way the Philips vision plus is £18.00 per pair a u t o l a m p s - o n l i n e
.any comment on this pricing difference ?

shapath · 31st July 2007, 13:09

in chennai they say they 300-350 per pair for silverstar. can u pl inform your shop contact number & psbl with name .thanks.

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Originally Posted by swathyd

yes it is silverstar. They quote rs.100 for one bulb. So it means a better throw, it says 20m +. And i hope H1 will also have similar quality. Will be buying it tomorrow.

shapath · 1st August 2007, 15:00

phillips rallye 90/100W is available in chennai ( korean or german import) 130 each. The Philips box says not legal in roads?? Shop sell indela kit for this ( 450). He suggested GE Kit which is also 450/-
The shop owner has CERAMIC HOLDER ( about 60 rs?) but he himself says not needed for SANTRO LE..What is your take on this" buy" with this GE KIT w/o ceramic holders . Opinion appreciated. another shop owner says LUCAS kit has some issues & he says GE bulbs are good (2 nos 290/-). he also says no need for ceramic holder .

tsk1979 · 1st August 2007, 15:16

Take the ceramic holders, they won't do any harm. If your plastic holders somehow melt, your entire headlight enclosure may go kaput, why take a chance for 60rs!?

rjstyles69 · 1st August 2007, 16:53

Well I took the plunge and picked up Philips 130/100 bulbs. Bought ceramic holders with a relay kit too.

I dont know if these are the original bulbs,but then Made in Germany is imprinted on the bulbs. Clearly indicates not for sale in Europe. Then why be manufactured in Germany

?

Will post up the lighting experience by this coming weekend .

basilmabraham · 2nd August 2007, 11:49

I changed my Palio Ds stock bulbs to Osram Silverstar. I changed all four bulbs...used H1 and H7..the H7s are normal, with a little bit improvment in throw..the H1s are amazing...my high beam is now really good and there is marked difference in the lighting. It is not white or blue light...they give out normal color light as in the stock bulb.

So if you want to stick to legal 55/60w bulbs..the Osram silverstars are the best I have seen. Got it from VV electricals in Ernakulam. Cost me 590/- for all four, fitting included.

swathyd · 2nd August 2007, 12:43

dear basil,

I too have tried H1 osram silverstar for my adventure but havent seen much improvement against stock. It cost me 95 rs/bulb.

basilmabraham · 2nd August 2007, 13:26

Swathy, Am seeing decent improvement in lighting, may be because I changed my 3 year old bulbs with these...made me happy, so the post...

I couldnt source the philips vison plus any where in TVm or Cochin..so went for the Osram.

horsepower · 2nd August 2007, 14:20

Guys, Saw an ad in Autocar for Philips Xenon HID, Called up the concerned person and got to know that it is an imported HID kit from Germany, H4, Hi, low, 6000k with B&W. He told me that landed cost per unit at dealers is around 20k, and they may sell it at any cost which will include installation too. It is available in Delhi with Pandit & Co.

anyone has any idea about the product code?

tsk1979 · 2nd August 2007, 14:26

20K wow!
Similar kits from big companies sell for 200-220$ in the US + 50$ installation which is waved off by many dealers.

basilmabraham · 2nd August 2007, 18:54

have seen a HID kit in Cochin for 11K...came with 6 months warranty

JayD · 3rd August 2007, 23:22

Hey!! am all confused by reading this thread! I hav a matiz which is currently having 100/90 philips lamps which are due for a change. I plan To get a white or bluish coloured light. also the beam should be good. which one to go for?? blue vision, vision plus or crystal vision???

31st July 2007, 12:56	#649
shapath BANNED Join Date: May 2007 Location: CHENNAI Posts: 171 Thanked: 2 Times	PHILIPS VISION PLUS H4 BULBS in ebay..has anyone ordered and got this i saw this offer in ebay india. has anyone tried this with SANTRO ( I have SANTRO 2000 LE ) i think i do not need to go for any relay/cut out thin. corerct me if im wrong. can anyone compare this with OSRAM 55/60 SILVERSTAR which is available in chennai for 300-350 a pair . By the way the Philips vision plus is £18.00 per pair a u t o l a m p s - o n l i n e .any comment on this pricing difference ?
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1st August 2007, 15:00	#651
shapath BANNED Join Date: May 2007 Location: CHENNAI Posts: 171 Thanked: 2 Times	Philips rallye 90/100W with GE kit..it is available in chennai phillips rallye 90/100W is available in chennai ( korean or german import) 130 each. The Philips box says not legal in roads?? Shop sell indela kit for this ( 450). He suggested GE Kit which is also 450/- The shop owner has CERAMIC HOLDER ( about 60 rs?) but he himself says not needed for SANTRO LE..What is your take on this" buy" with this GE KIT w/o ceramic holders . Opinion appreciated. another shop owner says LUCAS kit has some issues & he says GE bulbs are good (2 nos 290/-). he also says no need for ceramic holder .
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1st August 2007, 15:16	#652
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,689 Thanked: 23,495 Times View My Garage	Take the ceramic holders, they won't do any harm. If your plastic holders somehow melt, your entire headlight enclosure may go kaput, why take a chance for 60rs!?
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1st August 2007, 16:53	#653
rjstyles69 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bengalooru.. Posts: 4,343 Thanked: 845 Times View My Garage	Well I took the plunge and picked up Philips 130/100 bulbs. Bought ceramic holders with a relay kit too. I dont know if these are the original bulbs,but then Made in Germany is imprinted on the bulbs. Clearly indicates not for sale in Europe. Then why be manufactured in Germany ? Will post up the lighting experience by this coming weekend . Last edited by rjstyles69 : 1st August 2007 at 16:54.
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2nd August 2007, 11:49	#654
basilmabraham BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney/Cochin Posts: 772 Thanked: 76 Times View My Garage	I changed my Palio Ds stock bulbs to Osram Silverstar. I changed all four bulbs...used H1 and H7..the H7s are normal, with a little bit improvment in throw..the H1s are amazing...my high beam is now really good and there is marked difference in the lighting. It is not white or blue light...they give out normal color light as in the stock bulb. So if you want to stick to legal 55/60w bulbs..the Osram silverstars are the best I have seen. Got it from VV electricals in Ernakulam. Cost me 590/- for all four, fitting included.
	() Thanks

2nd August 2007, 12:43	#655
swathyd BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: thiruvananthapuram Posts: 774 Thanked: 26 Times	dear basil, I too have tried H1 osram silverstar for my adventure but havent seen much improvement against stock. It cost me 95 rs/bulb.
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2nd August 2007, 13:26	#656
basilmabraham BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney/Cochin Posts: 772 Thanked: 76 Times View My Garage	Swathy, Am seeing decent improvement in lighting, may be because I changed my 3 year old bulbs with these...made me happy, so the post... I couldnt source the philips vison plus any where in TVm or Cochin..so went for the Osram.
	() Thanks

2nd August 2007, 14:20	#657
horsepower BHPian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Gurgaon Posts: 280 Thanked: 2 Times View My Garage	Guys, Saw an ad in Autocar for Philips Xenon HID, Called up the concerned person and got to know that it is an imported HID kit from Germany, H4, Hi, low, 6000k with B&W. He told me that landed cost per unit at dealers is around 20k, and they may sell it at any cost which will include installation too. It is available in Delhi with Pandit & Co. anyone has any idea about the product code?
	() Thanks

2nd August 2007, 14:26	#658
tsk1979 Team-BHP Support Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 23,689 Thanked: 23,495 Times View My Garage	20K wow! Similar kits from big companies sell for 200-220$ in the US + 50$ installation which is waved off by many dealers.
	() Thanks

2nd August 2007, 18:54	#659
basilmabraham BHPian Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Sydney/Cochin Posts: 772 Thanked: 76 Times View My Garage	have seen a HID kit in Cochin for 11K...came with 6 months warranty
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3rd August 2007, 23:22	#660
JayD Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Cochin! At last Posts: 3,235 Thanked: 2,616 Times View My Garage	Hey!! am all confused by reading this thread! I hav a matiz which is currently having 100/90 philips lamps which are due for a change. I plan To get a white or bluish coloured light. also the beam should be good. which one to go for?? blue vision, vision plus or crystal vision???
	() Thanks