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Originally Posted by Cyrus_the_virus @Ashok, the premise of the argument was to point out that the lack of multi dowshift on a single clutch pull is not a mechanical problem with the Duke and it isn't going to get any better if you change any oil or take to any mechanic to fix it. Now is your opportunity to dump the bad practice and get into the practice of the standard quick downshifts.
So more than the argument of whether anyone have the right to downshift whichever way they want, please understand that the Duke not allowing you to multishift in a single clutch pull is not the bikes fault. |
Cyrus, I have done this multi gear down shift on almost all bikes I have ridden without any issue of sticky gear shift. ( I agree that it is not a good biking practise and outright unsafe, but the issue I am having is about sticky gear shift. Now I do not buy your point that duke is not allowing me to multi shift in a single clutch pull. My premises is simple, If I shift a gear to a lower gear, the lever should retract to it's normal position as soon as I am done with it. period. It is as simple as that. Even though I gave the example of multi-down shifting, I have this sticky gear shift even doing normal single gear shifts. and having never experienced any sticky gear shifts in all my other rides, I believe I am taking this matter with SVC guys very soon.
regarding the oil change it is because my bike has done over 2200 kms since last service and I want to change the engine oil for a different grade and it is a personal matter of choice and not connected with this issue. but yes I was keen to know if change of gear oil would help
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Having said that, if you are overtaking a slow vehicle, stay behind it till you gradually shift to the right gear and then accelerate rather trying to shift down all at one go before you overtake because as mentioned from the above several post, this is not only a wrong practice but also unsafe in several degrees.
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Cyrus, the road presents umpteen scenarios and variations for riding, so one cannot have one rule for everything. while I agree to your staying behind a slow vehicle it till you gradually shift to the right gear and then accelerate, there are times when I don't want to stay behind a vehicle (coz I see a trail of vehicles coming in the opposite side at a not far off distance and I want to pass this truck asap), and I have braked hard and my speed is down to 20 Kmph, at this juncture, my 5th or 4th or even 3rd gears will just knock and wont pull me out of that situation. at that very moment I need to be in 2nd gear ( being in the right gear in the right speed) to bail me out.
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If you have to suddenly slow down for a speed bump from 6th gear, hit the brakes and pull the clutch just before you start to hear it stalling/tire locking, then once you have crossed the bump, as you decide to accelerate, downshift one, give a little bit of gas and let go of clutch very slightly and pull it back immediately, downshift one more, let go of clutch lightly and pull back, repeat till you get to the right gear. You may even try 2 gear at a time but not more than that. The whole point is you should avoid downshifting 6th to 2nd or 1st at one go while you are 'slowing down' rather you should do it while you are trying to 'accelerate' out of what ever reason you slowed down in the first place for because of the simple fact that no matter how good a driver you are, if you are trying to downshift multiple gears at one clutch go whilst trying to slow down, you are riding clutch and not slowing down rather going faster than your mind perceives you are and now you have already arrived at the point 30Kmph faster than you should be and you are in a phantom gear.
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What I understand from your saying is that, if I am in 6th gear and hit a hump, I hit the brakes ( right), pull the clutch just before you hear the stalling ( right) and cross the bump (wrong because you are crossing the bump with clutch engaged) and as you decide to accelerate, downshift one i.e. to 5th gear (which wont have any juice to pull at 20 Kmph)and a little bit of gas and let go of clutch very slightly and pull it back immediately, downshift one more, let go of clutch lightly and pull back, repeat till you get to the right gear.
So that essentially means you are engaging the clutch between 6th gear and 5th gear while passing the hump, and then gradually you will downshift to 5th give a little gas -declutch-then to 4th - give a little gas- then declutch- then to 3rd -give a little gas- declutch - then to 2nd gear and then accelerate.
If that is what you meant, then that means either you have approached the hump at a very high speed ( then it makes sense), if you are already hit the brake and very slow, then the above exercise will simply create knocking in the higher gears.
If that is what you meant (as I understand from your reply), then I dispute your way of riding the hump.
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if you are trying to downshift multiple gears at one clutch go whilst trying to slow down
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Boss I never said I am downshifting multi gears while trying to slow down. I said once I hit the brake and I am at a slow speed, but a higher gear I multi-shift to arrive at the right gear.
I agree to Doc when he said that approaching the hump with brakes and appropriate engine braking and arriving at the hump at the right / slightly more / at the right gear / one up gear is the way to ride and not riding the hump with clutch engaged between 5th and 6th gear. I would never do that. I would never ride over a hump with clutch engaged. it will always be with engine power ( in gear)
Guys it is not that I am trying to say that the way I am riding is correct or defending my view point. I agree fully that multi-gear shift in a single clutch is not a good practise and is unsafe too. I shall definitely unlearn this practise and change to better riding practise. Thanks to all of you, for helping me in this regard.