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12th October 2017, 00:51 | #3166 | ||
Team-BHP Support | Re: Tata Hexa : Official Review Quote:
Sharing it within a few HEXA owners group will help a few hundred or thousand people, whereas sharing the information on the forums help ten times more visitors. What's the point of a forum and a dedicated Hexa thread if information has to be contained within a group of Hexa owners? Quote:
Anyways, with due respect - you presented a partial view of things. Here's the full picture, and members who feel otherwise can see it for themselves here (September 2017 : Indian Car Sales Figures & Analysis) and take a call - 1. The so called 'comparison' was done by the member I've qouted, in that screenshot itself it is visible. He pulled in the second brand to justify TATA and crack a joke. 2. The member had made two mistakes in that post, which I've corrected. One being the wrong booking numbers for Nexon and two being his interpretation that queues are more in the FCA showroom because there are less showrooms. Both corrected with the point of view of actual booking numbers, nothing more. 3. To the post, his reply was (and you seem to have ignored it. ) "Yes, look like you are correct. I mis-interpreted the article." Now, if you still feel there is a factual error in something posted - please, by all due respectful means, counter it there. Going OT here just doesn't do the forum, nor yourself, any good. Last edited by CrAzY dRiVeR : 12th October 2017 at 00:56. | ||
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| Since guys here are so much concerned about proving the rusting point and quality issues with the competitions, I am posting three pictures taken from a 17k kms done Tata Hexa media vehicle: Door latch on front passenger side, that is the chrome coated plastic peeling off. No matter what you guys think or say, cars at 1/3rd the price have this better (Check Polo Trendline if you can't digest this truth) I agree that those are metallic parts and can rust, but... you can't expect me to accept this, that's a stuck door handle which I repaired myself after Wd 40 treatment. Since you are talking about 'owners' group, then do check on your group, you will find the member or the information about the member whose mention I have made in my posts (Please do check my previous posts for more info). You can visit this link for more info. Rest you are telling us that the owners are more aware of the car as compared to the technical team from Tata motors? See, if you are hell bent on proving that there is no shortcoming and everyone else is false, then I really don't know where we are heading. Quote:
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http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/indian...rman-cars.html Going by this logic, we never know why a German or European car has landed on the flatbed, shall we refrain from posting that too? After all, maybe theowner has taken that way to avoid nasty speed breakers Quote:
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[quote]We being a part of this esteemed community, in the interest of quality of content in this Forum, I feel we should refrain from posting about such gimmicky incidents is what I feel. Others may differ here.[quote] And what about the actual strength of Team-BHP; Being unbiased? Quote:
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Where? Comparing this that one car from the dead reputation brand like Fiat and priced higher than Creta has become a runaway success while the one with a comparatively more reputed brand and sitting in the fastest growing segment hasn't caught the momentum. Was that the comparison? Quote:
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12th October 2017, 02:57 | #3168 |
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| Re: Tata Hexa : Official Review Lets accept that there is a definite bias against Tata. Inspite of Hexa being a great product, with several owner reviews singing praises, most reactions are of the order 'but its a tata, poor after sales or let's wait for a few more days/years/kms to see the car fail' etc. Likewise for the brilliant Nexon. I dont read similar sentiments for a jeep compass even though fiat is a much worse manufacturer with atrocious quality control and pathetic pre and post sales and service. Driving my third Tata now starting from the dicor and not once has any product left me on the lurch unlike an axle breaking bmw or a engine failing vag product. But still, an assnine stunt from ahmedabad is taking pages of discussion on an auto forum. If that fellow wants to speak of engine noise he must stand next to any mahindra muv and verify if they have not transplanted a tractor engine in there. |
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12th October 2017, 06:08 | #3169 |
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| Re: Tata Hexa : Official Review I think all of us are intelligent, informed individuals who can form their own conclusions after going through posts. While we may not agree with the views of another post, it is this freedom of expression (within the forum rules) that makes Team-Bhp a great place for car enthusiasts. Folks might post positively or negatively about car brands. I’ve seen it in many many threads. I don’t think we need react emotionally, even if it is a negative comment on a brand that we love, and have had a delightful experience with. Sorry for going but I needed to express this. |
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12th October 2017, 08:35 | #3170 | |
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On the verge on taking XTA delivery. Really worried on the transmission noise part. Other minor issues like traces of rust on few exposed parts, chrome bits coming off or some random issues are ok with me, because I know these can be fixed with TASS. However transmission one sounds bad. | |
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12th October 2017, 08:54 | #3171 |
Team-BHP Support | Re: Tata Hexa : Official Review While the Jeep Compass hasn't proved its unreliability yet, it is not one of the most reliable cars out there and we have had discussions about it. Link 1. Link 2. Problem is, Tata fans seldom check those threads. And not just Jeep, whatever issue was/is with any manufacturer out there is reported here on the forum but, I find no one going out to defend a brand, save for Tata and that is what I would term as bias. Some comments are not in the spirit of Team-BHP, please proof read prior to submitting and do ponder over what you wrote, words can't be taken back. If you are accusing fellow members and Team-BHP of bias then what are you doing here man..? |
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12th October 2017, 09:17 | #3172 | ||
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| Re: Tata Hexa : Official Review Quote:
Speak about quality - the same Polo Trendline you have mentioned has an issue of broken AC vents even on personal cars - forget the media ones. And yes. it is the same case with Vento as well which costs 16-17 big ones OTR. Quote:
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12th October 2017, 09:40 | #3173 | |
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| Re: Tata Hexa : Official Review Quote:
One of our members got a Skoda Octavia RS even without a TD, and penned a wonderful review for the benefit of fellow members. In a few days time he found about a goof-up from Skoda, and quite immediately it was reported here in another thread. I am sure this has benefited a few other RS customers (and will benefit in the future also). That’s the spirit of the forum; he did not think that I own a car from this particular brand, and should say only good points about. The positives and negatives are then in open (links below). If he thinks that he is obliged to say only good things about the car/brand he owns, that probably is a biased decision http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/test-d...ut-bombay.html http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...nsporting.html In other news, Jeep Compass is quite a well-received car but glitches found were duly reported in the forum (link). Nobody cried foul play saying that it’s a biased opinion to tarnish Jeep. Last edited by noopster : 13th October 2017 at 08:31. Reason: Thanks- quoted posts have been deleted | |
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12th October 2017, 10:42 | #3174 |
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| Re: Tata Hexa : Official Review I have subscribed to this thread along with a few other threads(Compass, Elantra, Octavia....) as I am planning for an upgrade. I am surprised by the reaction from some of the members here when an issue faced by a customer is reported. I agree people do develop some bonding towards the brand/car they own. But that should not mean others cannot point out the issues in those. This form is valuable because it is able to bring out both the good and bad things in every product and I trust the bhpians to be honest about their review. The reaction from certain members in this thread unfortunately makes me doubt if I would get an honest opinion without any bias. And personal attacks are definitely not an acceptable way to debate in any forum. Looks like certain TV channel debates. |
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12th October 2017, 10:46 | #3175 |
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| Re: Tata Hexa : Official Review I am all in for a discussion until it is backed up by logic and even to some degree by emotions. We are all humans and emotion will remain a part of us. A heated discussion is by all means permissible and acceptable but only to the limit it remains civil. Under no circumstances, personal attacks like this will find a place in this forum. Thanks. Last edited by Jaggu : 12th October 2017 at 17:26. Reason: Quoted part edited out, Thanks. |
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Distinguished - BHPian | Re: Tata Hexa : Official Review Unless and until issues like these are highlighted all around, specially in the social media which is the strongest and fastest form of sharing information today, and the said company is made aware that their product has problems which, either minor or major, are not being addressed or rectified by the local dealerships, companies will have a free hand in minting future products without addressing/rectifying such issues and will continue to sell them to unsuspecting customers. It's easy to sit back and make fun of a naive customer who bought a car and is now facing issues with it, about which he cannot express in perfect automotive technical jargon because he is a casual user, not an auto buff. What if the same situation happened with one of you who are defending the company and the product with all your might right now? Constructive discussions aside, do have a bit of empathy for those masses out there who are not blessed with the abundance of automotive-related knowledge like you guys have. This forum did not need to read these lines. Please maintain some civility and decorum while addressing a fellow member, specially when they are taking some time out to guide you (and everyone else) about what is right and what is wrong. Last edited by aah78 : 12th October 2017 at 20:02. Reason: Quoted post was removed. Editing this one to remove quote. |
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12th October 2017, 11:36 | #3179 |
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I have a XTA bought in March which has completed 10000km as of now. Being one of the earliest members of HEXA WhatsApp owners group can definitely conclude that there has been no problem from the auto transmission from any of our members HEXA XTA's till now. The only sound which has been discussed in our group is the engine gargle sound and it's been identified by TASS as some sort of resonance which comes into the drive train when the gearbox shifts into the next higher gear at really low rpm. It's similar to when one shifts into a higher gear at lower rpm in a manual car when the turbo hasn't started spooling yet. We get that sound in only certain situations like in lower gears, or while climbing ghats with speeds below 40-50kph. The transmission is not related to this noise and all it requires is modified ECU map which TATA has promised will be releasing soon. This will enable the turbo to spool up earlier and overcome the flat spot. Other than that my car has been a bliss so far and the transmission has been the highlight. This 6L50 punch power transmission has a proven track record and has been in used in BMW and GM cars from 2007. I would say this must be the most reliable part in the car. |
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| Re: Tata Hexa : Official Review Not that I want to side anyone on this heating debate, being a Hexa owner myself, as I have mentioned on the N Chandra Thread, I have the following biggest grouse against TML - Their Auto Ancillary providers SUCK and SUCK BIG TIME and if TML does not change them or do not have better quality measures in place to still source it from them, this shall be reason for their further burial in the IAI. The above mentioned (part quality) reason to me is the Numero Uno reason why TML over the years have not been able to instill the confidence in our Aam Junta (not the ones here). These AA Providers ARE and ARE SOILING your Brand Value. The common man, wants longevity and reliability of parts and cannot take the pain and hassles of visiting the ASS every now and then, we are blessed of having more than 1 vehicle at our disposal round the year, but for someone who has just 1 for be it office commute, buying groceries, dropping kids to school, weekend getaways etc. it is just too much, would I like to travel in the local transport bus, sweating it out when my car in lying in garage for 1-2-3 weeks (time immaterial in the context that I am stating here) for premature part failure, to add to my frustration, there is HK and leather upholstery in my car that someone else is basking on, NO NEVER. The handle issue (staying in the opened position) that has been shown on the previous page has been there on my Hexa from as far as I remember 1st week, I got something sprayed on it sometime back and it is a shade better now but not entirely resolved, what do I do? Hell, I love the product so much that I let it pass-by, my Optra's handles were built to last more than a human beings lifetime. The door lock (that operates vertically), the headlight switch (I have to mention this, it is so damn pathetic that at times I feel if I was under influence and that too by not imbibing too many shots, it shall conk off without an iota of an effort if I was to turn it on), the Aircon switch (from cold to hot), the Aircon switch (speed controller) are a few noteworthy parts that it seems have been picked up from a wholesaler based out of Kashmere Gate (NCR Guys would be able to correlate). What I am trying to put across here is - What the hell does it take for TML to provide Quality "movable" parts (wiper motors, door hinges) and to keep the prices competitive by keeping the HK, Leather and other cosmetic stuff OUT !! Boss to garner numbers, they need reliable products so that people can advocate their products and products are constituted of PARTS put together, if PARTS were not of quality they would fail and you'd have people Slugging & Sweating it out in the Sun while N Chandra would be sitting and sipping ASS center's coffee (again made out of Tata Beverages) enjoying HK on a leather sofa that TML has in abundance not coming out of manufacturing them but benches drawn out from their scores of SUV's lying in the backyard. People need peace of ownership TML !! You have the right designs and products going for you, please improve your Quality Checks and go for a holistic change of your ancillary providers. PS: I love the Brand TATA and would not hold myself back in stating that I hold them leagues ahead of RIL, M&M, Birla's etc. for what they have done for the nation, much much beyond just Automobiles. If there be members on this forum or elsewhere who can put this word across to the people up there in the higher echelons of TML, I would be really thankful to them. In all that I have stated above, I have tried to put a word across to TML from a 10000000 ft height for if it reaches them, to end this - I Love TML and would be elated for them if they turn around TML fortunes. Last edited by Torquedo : 12th October 2017 at 12:42. |
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