[mohan41]

I am looking at the differences between Alto K10 and S-presso, AMT versions, as both cars are small in size for using as city-only cars. S-presso has few important features missing in Alto - Hill hold assist and Electrically adjustable rear view mirrors. Taller seating in S-presso suits me as well.

However, I see that Alto has 'Impact sensing auto door unlock' which is not mentioned in S-presso brochure. Even WagonR brochure does not mention about it. However, Celerio brochure mentions it.

I am surprised that this useful safety feature which is present in Alto and Celerio is apparently missing in S-presso and WagonR. Is it a mistake in the brochure? Can any s-presso owners confirm whether this feature is present in S-presso?

If confirmed that it is really missing, would it be possible to add it separately?

[ron178]

Originally Posted by mohan41

Can any s-presso owners confirm whether this feature is present in S-presso?

Those who have experienced the feature are likely not S-Presso owners anymore even if they are around to tell you about it.

Originally Posted by mohan41

S-presso has few important features missing in Alto - Hill hold assist and Electrically adjustable rear view mirrors

Also S-Presso AMT has electronic stability control which Alto still doesn't.

If safety is your priority I would strongly recommend stepping up to Celerio (even base model) as it is likely to offer a healthy balance between active and passive safety. The others have deficiencies in one area or the other.

Originally Posted by mohan41

Thanks, but can you please further elaborate which safety features are present in Celerio but missing in S-presso/WagonR?

To be honest it was kind of speculative - but since the Celerio is based on the same newer generation of platform used on the Alto it is likely to have been designed keeping in mind not just crash regulations but also tougher consumer tests as we already saw with the Alto. But the Alto has quite poor active safety because it doesn't have electronic stability control et cetera which are standard on the Celerio. So the Celerio although the most expensive of your options is likely to be the best of both worlds - although there is yet no official consumer test information for it.

[mohan41]

Originally Posted by ron178

Those who have experienced the feature are likely not S-Presso owners anymore even if they are around to tell you about it.

Also S-Presso AMT has electronic stability control which Alto still doesn't.

If safety is your priority I would strongly recommend stepping up to Celerio (even base model) as it is likely to offer a healthy balance between active and passive safety. The others have deficiencies in one area or the other.

Thanks, but can you please further elaborate which safety features are present in Celerio but missing in S-presso/WagonR?

[mohan41]

I am happy to share that I have purchased a S-presso VXI+ AGS mainly for use as 2nd car in family for within city communites. I exchanged my 16 year old Santro AT. My Ertiga will remain as the car for any outstation travel, which have reduced of late.

I and my wife have been driving it for last 2 days. I agree with most observations mentioned in the official review - spacious interior, responsive throttle, slightly bumpy ride (I will reduce tyre pressure to 28 and see if it improves), weird steering (I got used to it now, but my wife had no issues at all, it is lighter than the hydraulic PS of Santro ) and poor NVH. Hill hold works as expected.

One issue that is contrary to the official review observation is that the AMT appears to be eager to downshift 1st gear often leading to jerky experience. When slowing down, if speed drops to below 10kmph, it downshifts to 1st gear and when I press throttle again, there is that sudden jerk due to being in 1st gear. Even the upshift to 3rd gear from 2nd happens only after crossing 28-30kmph. Is this observed by any others who bought S-presso AGS recently?

I tried manual mode to force it to stay in 2nd gear but it overrides the input and goes down to 1st gear. Other than that issue, the drive is smooth. When going on more open stretches, I can barely feel the up shifts from 2->3->4. So far have not been able to reach above 50kmph as the drives are all within the city.

[darkfantasy]

Originally Posted by mohan41

One issue that is contrary to the official review observation is that the AMT appears to be eager to downshift 1st gear often leading to jerky experience. When slowing down, if speed drops to below 10kmph, it downshifts to 1st gear and when I press throttle again, there is that sudden jerk due to being in 1st gear. Even the upshift to 3rd gear from 2nd happens only after crossing 28-30kmph. Is this observed by any others who bought S-presso AGS recently?

I tried manual mode to force it to stay in 2nd gear but it overrides the input and goes down to 1st gear. Other than that issue, the drive is smooth. When going on more open stretches, I can barely feel the up shifts from 2->3->4. So far have not been able to reach above 50kmph as the drives are all within the city.

Mine is from 2020 and it's upshifting logic is as follows with gentle throttle inputs,
1>2 - 15kmph
2>3 - 28kmph
3>4 - 35kmph
4>5 - 50kmph

If the AMT system senses RPM to be too low even in manual mode it will automatically downshift to prevent stalling. There is no way to force it to be in 2nd gear when the speed is below 15. And yes - driving in the first gear is jerky. Sometimes when coasting without any throttle inputs it holds the higher gear even when the speeds are low, but when you press the accelerator it will automatically downshift to match the current speed.

[Sedate driver]

So I finally got the S-presso VXI+(O) AGS on Jan 5th after a lot of deliberation. The purchasing process took more than 6 months since I sent the first enquiry to Maruti in Jul 23. However the sales people in Maruti were relentless in follow up and succeeded in selling one to me! Appreciate the Maruti sales team as they are patient enough and eager to seal the deal even for entry level cars. Now I am able to understand why they are successful. On the contrary, before buying the Hector, I was eager to try the Harrier but poor response from Tata made me forget that brand. Though I needed a city car to complement the Hector, the parking issues were nagging my mind, hence didn't confirm the purchase and was delaying. However I made up my mind in Dec end considering the positives and went ahead.

Really happy with the choice and the S-presso is a no nonsense car ticking all requirements for perfect city drive. The interior space and quality, engine performance and features look good for an entry level car. The ride is bumpy but yet to check the tyre pressure which seems to be a bit high. As already reported by everyone the steering doesn't give the feel of a power steering but it is manageable. As the steering doesn't auto center, one needs to get used to it. I am not sure whether this is the case with all Maruti cars. Gear shifts are slighly jerky from 1-2-3 but 3-4-5 are seamless. The mileage also is good as it is for a typical Maruti. The car is stable at speeds of 70-80 kmph. Will post a review with pros and cons after completing 1000 kms.

[nasirkaka]

We have a 2020 Spresso automatic , done about 35k kms. We have been fairly happy with the ownership so far, except....

For the last few weeks, there is a terrible shudder / vibration while accelerating at slower speed. This shuddering vibration while accelerating is increased with time. This is not there all the time depending on acceleration but definitely there and frequency increases when the car is being ridden for a while. The car was serviced at authorized service station only a couple of months back.

What could this issue be? Have tried switching off the AC and still it shudders. Shudder if felt more if there is a slight incline and we accelerate under 15-20kmph. Even with just 2 people in the car, and no luggage, it shudders. It was definitely not there all these years. Any thoughts on this issue.

[Gansan]

Originally Posted by nasirkaka

Any thoughts on this issue.

Change your clutch plates.

Is there an automatic model? I thought it has only AMT.

[raptor_diwan]

Originally Posted by nasirkaka

For the last few weeks, there is a terrible shudder / vibration while accelerating at slower speed. This shuddering vibration while accelerating is increased with time. This is not there all the time depending on acceleration but definitely there and frequency increases when the car is being ridden for a while.

It is a clutch issue; you might experience it mostly in 2nd gear. The vehicle may shudder, but you can alleviate it by accelerating more than usual. Alternatively, during the shuddering, release the accelerator and then press it again. This can be done temporarily until you have the opportunity to adjust the clutch.

[nasirkaka]

Is there an automatic model? I thought it has only AMT.

Yes, By "automatic" i meant the AMT only.

This can be done temporarily until you have the opportunity to adjust the clutch.

Usually the shudder is experienced at slower speed and while accelerating. Happens more often when the car is run for a while (hot). Ok, What do we mean by adjustment of clutch? Are the clutch plates gone? I remember experiencing the same on a friends Celerio AMT and was happy the Spresso did not have the issue until it surfaced some weeks back. Will try and take it to the service center and see what can be done. Hope this gets rectified as driving like this is very unpleasant.

[raptor_diwan]

Originally Posted by nasirkaka

What do we mean by adjustment of clutch? Are the clutch plates gone?

To be honest, yes, the clutch is weak, and I'm not sure how they adjusted it. I had the same problem and conveyed this to them. They suggested changing the clutch plate, but I opted not to. Instead, I asked them to do something to fix it, and they said they have adjusted it. They assured me that the issue should not recur, but they mentioned in the service record notes that the clutch is weak. Surprisingly, the problem disappeared for 1 month then started again and only option for that is to replace the cutch set.

[Sedate driver]

The DTE or range shown in Spresso is highly erratic. Today while taking out the car the range was 101 kms and after travelling 22 kms it increased and showed a range of 204 kms. Then after another trip of 25 kms it dropped and showed a range of 166 kms. After filling the tank till cut off, the range displayed was 450 kms and it was hovering around 400 kms for almost 250 kms of travel and then it started dropping rapidly. The fuel gauge indicator is also not linear and for the first 200+ kms there is a drop of 2-3 points and then it falls rapidly. Is it the way the fuel gauge works in S-presso? On the contrary, in my Hector the DTE is almost linear and varies as per the average mileage.

[darkfantasy]

Originally Posted by Sedate driver

The DTE or range shown in Spresso is highly erratic. Today while taking out the car the range was 101 kms and after travelling 22 kms it increased and showed a range of 204 kms. Then after another trip of 25 kms it dropped and showed a range of 166 kms. After filling the tank till cut off, the range displayed was 450 kms and it was hovering around 400 kms for almost 250 kms of travel and then it started dropping rapidly. The fuel gauge indicator is also not linear and for the first 200+ kms there is a drop of 2-3 points and then it falls rapidly. Is it the way the fuel gauge works in S-presso? On the contrary, in my Hector the DTE is almost linear and varies as per the average mileage.

It's the same for most cars and even two-wheelers. And yes, my S-presso also behaves the same way. It takes a long time for the first point of the fuel meter to come down but it falls more frequently post that. Also if it shows 1/2 tank you'd have 1/3rd only. The DTE is also highly unreliable. Do not depend on them as they are rough estimates only.

[raptor_diwan]

Originally Posted by Sedate driver

The DTE or range shown in Spresso is highly erratic. Today while taking out the car the range was 101 kms and after travelling 22 kms it increased and showed a range of 204 kms. Then after another trip of 25 kms it dropped and showed a range of 166 kms.

It mostly depends on the driving style; it keeps changing, and both scenarios are correct

For example, as you mentioned,

after travelling 22 kms it increased and showed a range of 204 kms.

If you drive the car in the same style and at the same speed or similar to it, then the displayed range will be correct and remain consistent.

Then after another trip of 25 kms it dropped and showed a range of 166 kms.

This indicates that traffic might have increased, and you might not have been driving as freely as before. In such a case, if you continue driving the car in current manner, then this range is correct.

For example, when I filled my S-Presso tank full, it showed a range of 410. I drove the car in the city to my office for 2 days, achieving a mileage of 13, and the range decreased to around 300 - 310. After 2 days, I took a long drive on the highway, and the range increased to 500 while maintaining a speed of 80 - 90. and I could cover more than 450KM as mentioned in display. In this case, both 310 and 500 are correct.

If I continue driving the car in the city to and from my office, then I will consistently get only a 310 km range for that tank full. ( Which I normally get within office & Home ) If I drive on the highway on weekends the range increases due to the driving style ( less traffic ) and speed of the vehicle.

Both are correct.

for the first 200+ kms there is a drop of 2-3 points and then it falls rapidly. Is it the way the fuel gauge works in S-presso?

When your petrol tank is full, there's a small device inside that measures how much petrol is in there. If the measurement stick float sticks out of the limit when the tank is full, it means there's some extra petrol in the tank that the device can't measure.

This extra petrol can be quite a bit, maybe even a liter or more. So, you might have more petrol in your tank than what your gauge consider full. But, you'll only see the gauge go down once you've used up that extra petrol and the float starts to drop in the tank.

[chetan]

does the top end come with body coloured bumpers