[vamsi.vadrevu]

Originally Posted by devil_klm

Did anyone else face such an issue with the wheel alignment of Magnite?

I'm sorry to hear about your ordeal. If the inner sides of your tires are worn off, it could mean 2 things.

1. The camber settings were incorrect from factory or the service technician did an awful job of it at the 5000km point
2. It is possible your McPherson struts have deformed. This is a rare scenario because it'll only happen if you've been into a large pothole at high speed or an accident.

Was the vehicle running properly before the 5000km service point or was there any issue with offcenter steering or return to centre issue?

I have the Magnite CVT from 2023 and it came with ceat securadrive. I've driven it 12000km and I didn't find any uneven wear or issues with alignment.

I usually get my alignment and tyre rotation done at a trusted tire place near me and not in the Nissan service center.

When I had gone for the yearly service to Nissan service center at 8000km on odo, the tires were rotated and balancing and alignment was done. But it turned out to be worse than what was before.

The steering sat 3 degrees to the left when going straight and it drove me crazy. Despite calling it out during service they did multiple adjustments and test drives with me and I pointed it out to them multiple times that the steering was offcenter, the service technician tried to convince me that the road has a camber which caused that! It knew it was bullshit but I was in a hurry so I let it slide and drove like this for 2000km before I got fed up and went back to my trusted tyre guy, who rotated the tires again and aligned and balanced my tires and now the steering sits perfectly aligned to the center and the vehicle tracks in a perfect straight line. I've tested this on the straight stretches of Hyderabad ORR and its probably better than what came out of the factory!

I'm going to get another rotation at 15000km (I hope my current rear tires aren't going to cause issues)

Uneven tire wear happens when we do not rotate the tires in time or when we don't run the vehicle with correctly inflated tires. Did you happen to run the vehicle with tires deflated below 25 psi?

On my father's Alto K10, there used to be frequent punctures on Bridgestone B290 tires and they were run under inflated many times. This used to cause uneven wear and despite all the efforts of my tire guy, he couldn't get it aligned properly. This is because of uneven wear.

Even if the steering components are perfectly aligned, if the tires have uneven wear, the car will track to one side or the other because the friction from unevenly worn tires will cause slip in one tire and hence the vehicle will go left or right.

If you have a set of tires that are less worn or evenly worn, try to get those tires to the front and then perform the alignment and balancing.

I usually check my tire pressures almost every 2 to 3 days and before every long drive and always try to maintain exactly 36 psi as recommended. Because of this, I know exactly how much pressure my tires loose in a week for me to top up with my inflator. Having a tire inflator and a calibrated pressure guage is very important. I'm quite obsessive about correct tire pressures because of my experiences with my father's Alto K10. Tires that should have lasted 50,000km lasted only 30,000km and caused unnecessary loss of traction even on reasonably good surfaces.

It is best that you get the tyres changed for safety. And if you have any evidence of the poor alignment done at the service center, try to get those from the service center. I'm usually present at the center during service to record and have evidence of what they're doing. I do not trust the service center technicians.

[devil_klm]

Originally Posted by vamsi.vadrevu

If Magnite is using actual TPMS sensor inside the tyre behind the valve stem, wouldn't it have been easier to just display the actual pressure reading instead of displaying "OK" pressure reading from the tyres!.

I was pretty sure that Magnite was just using the indirect method of measuring. But after reading about it in manual again, it does clearly mention about the TPMS sensor being present. I wonder why they didn't put a sensor that actually measures numbers instead of just measuring a threshold value!

Thanks for the explanation. That clearly explains why the readings were for rear tyre!

And now I have to visit the service center again and get those reset. Isn't there a way for us to do it ourselves?? I do not trust those guys to do the wheel alignment because they messed it up the first time during the 1 year service, so I had to visit my trusted tyre guy and he fixed it perfectly. And while my tyre guy did the alignment, he also rotated the wheels because they had been rotated at 6000Km once. The service center folk couldn't do the alignment properly even after trying 2 times with 2 test drives and I had to walk away disappointed for having a messed up steering centering.

Essentially my wheels were first rotated at 6000km by my tyre guy, then at 8156 km by service center folk and again at 10,000km by my tyre guy. So it stands to reason that my front tyre ended up in the rear.

is there any such alignment problem with magnates generally? Did you hear anything from your tire guy?
My service center says the entire tire assembly needs to be removed to fix the alignment problem and they are not in favor of doing it instead of pushing me to get the tire to form them at a discounted price.

[devil_klm]

Originally Posted by vamsi.vadrevu

I'm sorry to hear about your ordeal. If the inner sides of your tires are worn off, it could mean 2 things.

1. The camber settings were incorrect from factory or the service technician did an awful job of it at the 5000km point
2. It is possible your McPherson struts have deformed. This is a rare scenario because it'll only happen if you've been into a large pothole at high speed or an accident.

My brother is using the car and this is the second car. Pretty sure the tyre pressure is correct and confident on the use as well since the other car never had any such issue. I am doubting the points you mentioned on chamber setting and deforming McPherson struts. Attaching some pics of the current condition of tires.

[vamsi.vadrevu]

Originally Posted by devil_klm

is there any such alignment problem with magnates generally? Did you hear anything from your tire guy?

I do not think there is any inherent flaw that affects alignment on Magnites. My issue with alignment was just because of that Nissan Service Technician's incompetence that warranted multiple tries and still he couldn't get it right. I then had to go to my tire guy and he fixed the alignment issues in the first try.

Originally Posted by devil_klm

My service center says the entire tire assembly needs to be removed to fix the alignment problem and they are not in favor of doing it instead of pushing me to get the tire to form them at a discounted price.

Why would the entire strut assembly require a change? It could be a money-fleecing activity. It's best you go to a good tire dealer that has a reputation for good alignment. Most of the service centers have incompetent folk or just don't have enough time to deal with a single customer so they don't pay attention.

Originally Posted by devil_klm

My brother is using the car and this is the second car. Pretty sure the tyre pressure is correct and confident on the use as well since the other car never had any such issue. I am doubting the points you mentioned on chamber setting and deforming McPherson struts. Attaching some pics of the current condition of tires.

Those tires look completely worn down! An extremely high negative camber setting would result in such wear.

When I look at my Magnite's tires from the front, I do see some negative camber but not to the extent that it wears out the inner sides. I had read somewhere that all regular cars have less than 2 degrees of negative camber for better handling on straight roads and in corners.

However, it is possible that Magnite has more negative camber by default than other cars. I saw other vehicles parked in my apartment area and I don't see any visible camber on those cars.

But the wear showing on your Magnite's tires is extensive. Only a very poorly adjusted camber setting would result in such wear. They've worn down to the wear lines.

Did you brother complain about poor grip on wet surfaces? Or wheel spin on sandy areas?
I cannot understand how they would wear down to that level in merely 7000km of driving if they were properly inflated at all times. I still suspect that the service center messed up the first alignment by giving it too much negative camber.

[vamsi.vadrevu]

Originally Posted by vamsi.vadrevu

When I look at my Magnite's tires from the front, I do see some negative camber but not to the extent that it wears out the inner sides. I had read somewhere that all regular cars have less than 2 degrees of negative camber for better handling on straight roads and in corners.

However, it is possible that Magnite has more negative camber by default than other cars. I saw other vehicles parked in my apartment area and I don't see any visible camber on those cars.

Wanted to upload an image of the front tire to highlight the slight negative camber on my Magnite.



I'm not sure if it is evident in this picture, but when viewed directly, the slight negative camber is very evident.

The top of the tire leans slightly inwards. It is very subtle in the image but we can see more wheel well gap near the top of the tire. I've not observed this with other car models.

Can anyone else confirm if they see this slight negative camber on you Magnite (or any of your other vehicles)

[vamsi.vadrevu]

I paid a visit to my Nissan Dealership for the second "Free Checkup" today.
Second Free Checkup is supposed to occur at 15,000km or 18 months for my Nissan Magnite. I had only driven it 13,321 Km in 18 months and so it was time for this checkup.

Here's how my experience went with my second free checkup. (The first free checkup was just tightening a few bolts on the front suspension sub-frame at 2,000km mark)

I went at 10:00 am and was made to wait for about 20 minutes before I could actually get my details entered into their system and a service advisor asked me to come and check the vehicle together to listen to whatever complaints I had.

The main problems I was facing were:

1. The TPMS system had shown the position of puncture and deflation warnings in the wrong tire location. This was because I usually get my rotation, alignment and balancing from my neighborhood tire guy who does an excellent job. But he can't re-program the new position of the TPMS sensors. I realized this back in October when my left front tire had a puncture but the system threw a deflation warning for the left rear tire.

2. The feed for the front camera cuts intermittently. It cannot be replicated, but I had a recording of it not working while driving to work once and I showed it to them.

I didn't have any other complaints. I did want to get my Engine Oil changed though. My first free service was at 8,156km at 1-year mark and I only managed to drive 5,165km in 6 months.

The service advisor wasn't too keen on it though. He insisted it was not needed (even though I made it clear I would pay for it). I do not understand why they didn't jump at the idea of a paid oil change though! (It could be because they're always fully occupied and understaffed)

The workshop had at least around 30 to 50 vehicles.

I stayed with my car throughout the entire process to document it.

Free Inspection Process:
The vehicle was sent for wash right away. The wash and vacuuming took about an hour. Then there was a bit more waiting around till it was taken up to a hydraulic lift bay by a technician.

1. A technician jacked up the vehicle and removed the front wheels.
This was the condition of my brake rotors. Nothing concerning. Just regular wear.


He tightened a few bolts for the lower control arm. When I asked him why, he said, they usually get loose and they tighten it. Note: He didn't use any torque wrenches for this.



2. He then removed the brake pads and inspected them for wear
There was sufficient brake material till the next service at 20,000km or 6 months. The groove is clearly visible and I still seem to have 3 to 4mm of brake material left.


3. He then proceeded to sand off some brake material (Supposedly to eliminate some brake noise)


4. Subsequently he applied some battery grease to the ends of the brake. Ideally they should have used brake caliper specific grease for it. But I didn't protest this. Note: He didn't apply any of it to the back of brake pad plates. Only to the edges where it moves in and out (perhaps to reduce some friction during movement). I still think this step was not confirming to Nissan's specifications.



Then the wheels were fitted back.

5. Some other technician came and filled distilled water into the washer fluid reservoir and the coolant reservoir (even though the coolant level was already above max).

6. Then they proceeded to over-fill the brake fluid too (which was again above max level already!)

Again, I didn't protest or make any comments on these practices but it still irked my OCD-ridden brain about how they were not following the manufacturer specifications on fluid levels.

The engine oil level was checked and it was exactly at the center between the high and low mark. (I regularly check this level so I already knew where it was). I specifically asked the technician again if I should get the engine oil changed and he said it was of the correct color and consistency. I didn't press further for an oil change.

This concluded their mandatory Nissan-notified version of the second free inspection and we went for a long drive during which I informed the advisor about the TPMS issue and the front camera feed going out intermittently.

TPMS Issue Resolution:
In my previous posts on this forum https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/offic...ml#post5857802 (Nissan Magnite Review), I had questioned if Nissan actually uses internal TPMS sensors. Today, I got my questions answered with proper evidence.

Nissan did use proper TPMS sensors that are embedded in each of the wheels. How do I know this?

The wheel technician (there's a separate guy for everything at this Nissan dealership!) came armed with a Laptop and a OBD scanner.
It is basically Nissan's internal diagnostic tool called "Consult III Plus"

https://m2kinc.com/product/nissan-di...-kit-with-vi3/

He attached the "Vehicle Communication Interface VI3" with the OBD port and the Consult Plus software automatically detected the interface. He had to choose the vehicle model and manufacturing year on the software.


Then he used a hand-held device that read the signals from each of the wheels on all 4 corners. There were specific IDs associated with those TPMS sensors for each position. This handheld device stored the IDs of each of those TPMS sensors inside it which could later be recalled from its menus.


The process is similar to what is shown in the below video

https://youtu.be/ySiG7sYXHNU?si=BADJvl_vRdLTZiFp

Nissan Technician used "ALTIA KV4S10 5503" to learn the positions of the sensors and then used the data recorded inside it to feed it to the on-board car's computer manually.

Below is the video of what the technician did. I recorded the process and it shows that he had to manually enter the serial number or the ID of each sensor to the correct position corresponding to each wheel into the Consult III Plus software and probably had to "write" this information into its RAM or something.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RCLS3nqXREc

Now the wheel positions are correctly stored in the car's on-board computer and it would no longer throw incorrect warnings for the deflation warnings. I just wish Nissan had used a better sensor rather than just a deflation warning sensor. They could have easily procured sensor that gave actual pressure read-outs rather than just a deflation warning.

Also, they didn't have to make this process so "proprietary". I think, no one else other than Nissan's technicians can re-program these unless they have the Nissan's Consult III Plus software subscription and it is not cheap! This is a very "Apple-like" thing to do to keep customers from going outside of their official service centers! It is very anti-consumer.

Something as simple as re-programming the TPMS sensors should ideally be user configurable within car's infotainment system and shouldn't even require such specialist equipment! It is just wasteful engineering!


Intermittent Video Feed Issue Resolution:

The video feed to the 360 camera view is via 4 wires that come from the camera to the infotainment system and they are connected via a coupler system as shown below



When the technician opened the coupler, a few drops of water came out!
This was apparently a common problem! When getting water washing done, please ensure that you don't put excessive pressure water above the Nissan logo because that's where this coupler resides clipped into the front bumper





The technicians used pressurized air to dry out the terminals and attached the coupler back to its place. I hope this fixes the intermittent feed issue from the front 360 camera.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zBq7W8avnr8

Once these issues were dealt with, I asked them to grease the door checks and the battery terminals.

Then I had to wait till I got the gate pass issued.

This entire process took 3 hours. I was not charged any money for this free inspection.

As per Nissan's official documentation on their user manual, the following items should come under their second free checkup

Under the INSPECT category, the following items were listed. (I've marked which ones were done and which were not done alongside each item)

Air conditioner cabin filter (Not Done)
Air filter (Not Done)
Brake booster vacuum hoses, connection & check valve (Not Done)
Brake, clutch & exhaust system (Not Done)
Brake linings, drums & other brake components (Not Done)
Brake pads, rotors & other brake components (Not Done)
Brake systems and fluid (For level & leaks) (Done)
Cooling system (Done)
CVT fluid (Not Done)
Drive belt and rollers (Not Done)
Foot brake, parking brake & clutch (For free play, stroke & operation) (Done)
Fuel lines (Not sure if this was done. The technician just glanced at the underbody when the car was on the hydraulic lift)
Seat belts, buckles, retractors, anchors & adjuster (Not Done)
Steering gear & linkage ,Axle & suspension parts, Front drive shafts (Not Done)
Steering gear & linkage, axle & suspension parts, propeller shaft & front drive shaft(Not Done)
Lights, Horn, /wiper/Power window/gauges/warning lamp (Done)
Steering play/brake pedal/cultch pedal/ acc pedal (Done)
Tyre & Battery (Done)
Hood /Door/Trunk hinges & locks (apply grease) (Done)
Brakes, gear shifter, transfer shifter & speedometer (Done)
Body and chasis noise (Done. Although they asked me if there was any noise. Ideally, the technicians should be listening for noises and telling us if any noises are normal or abnormal from their experience)
Safety and mainternance labels position (Not Done)
Manual Transaxle Gear Oil (For Level & Leaks) (Not Done)
Body Corrosion (Not Done)
Final Inspection (Done)
Dyamic Inspection (Road Test) (Done)

I feel like Nissan could improve their processes further to ensure less wait times for the customer.

Nissan should also include each of the items on their inspection and service advisory from the user manual as a checklist item that they need to finish before handing the vehicle over to the customer.

I know it is wishful thinking to expect all such attention to detail, but as customers I think we have a right to expect the best from the technical services industry in India even though it is quite bad at the moment.

I hope the write-up wasn't tool long but I wanted this experience documented here for my own edification for future. The more I learn about my vehicle, the more confident I become as a user of my car!

[Joli]

Even if an FNG were to do all these checks, complete with a checklist, they have my money. I am looking for such a mechanic in Mumbai. The ones suggested on the FNG page, 2 of them being known folks, still don't feel as communicative and reduce the confidence you're supposed to have in them. It may be noted that I haven't got any kind of work done by either yet.

[madmax_rak]

Hi

My car is at the service centre almost two weeks now. There is absolutely no updates unless I call them multiple times.

Does anyone have email ID of Nissan officials?

I'm not looking for any help from them now. But wanted to inform them how a promoter of a brand has become a detractor due to poor service support.

[vamsi.vadrevu]

Originally Posted by madmax_rak

Hi
Does anyone have email ID of Nissan officials?

Your best bet would be to tag this guy @Saurabh_Vatsa on twitter. I'm not certain you'll get any response though. He hasn't been active since he joined Nissan. All his updates were from his Citroen stint.

Originally Posted by madmax_rak

My car is at the service centre almost two weeks now. There is absolutely no updates unless I call them multiple times.

Curious to know what has happened with your vehicle. You were one of the few owners of Magnite that crossed 1lakh km in your ownership. Can you please let us know what issues are you facing with your vehicle.

[carhead]

Folks any idea if discounts are being offered on the 2nd gen Magnite. 1st gen models were selling with upto 20K discount before 2nd gen launch

[Transmission]

Can anyone else see the following part covered in a oily material in their magnites?
Its located on the driver's side of the radiator, just behind the front grill. It has a small radiator of its own, just below it.

As far as I can see, this component is part of the Exhaust Gas Recirculation (EGR) mechanism - the collector for the cooled exhaust (post the EGR radiator) before its fed back into the air intake chamber.
So the "oil" layer I see is basically probably just unburnt petrol and nothing to be too worried about (though my mileage might be a bit lower and the emissions a bit higher).

I noticed it for the first time during pre-drive checks on my car over the week.

Originally Posted by vamsi.vadrevu

Can anyone else confirm if they see this slight negative camber on you Magnite (or any of your other vehicles)

I can confirm that I see a similar effect in my car too - on both the front tyres. I dont seem to have any alignment (no left/right pulling in a straight line) or uneven tyre wear issues on them though.

[carhead]

Have discounts started on the facelift?

Nissan continues to sell monthly 2500 nos. So no major upswing observed. This is from approx 200 dealers pan India.

With impending merger with Honda, would be interesting to see way forward.

[animishticomb]

Hi need your expert opinion on couple of questions regarding the Nissan warranty and AMC

1. What are the latest prices for warranty and gold packages in Bangalore for Nissan Magnite?
2. Are these negotiable while purchasing a new car?
3. Do people face significant challenges in ASS and parts for Nissan cars? I am considering a Honda Elevate or Nissan Magnite and want to know if the ASS are bad enough for me to overlook the 'savings' in car prices?

[Crank]

Hi, can somebody confirm the fuel economy of Magnite Turbo CVT?

The 3 cylinder pot seems to run just to keep the AC compressor running. I am saying this because there is a huge difference with the AC On and Off. Please see the details below.

Heavy bumper-to-bumper traffic
AC on - 5 to 6 kmpl
AC Off - 8 to 10 kmpl

Moderate traffic
AC on - 10 to 12 kmpl
AC Off - 13 to 15 kmpl

Light Traffic
AC on - 12 to 14 kmpl
AC Off - 16 to 18 kmpl

Highway
AC on - 15 to 17 kmpl
AC Off - 18 to 20 kmpl

I observed that the onboard fuel economy meter drops the figure quickly with AC On compared to AC being Off.

The car had been driven mostly in city. It has run 12000 kms in 2 years.

Please let me know your fuel economy figures for my understanding. And any tips for better fuel economy with Magnite Turbo CVT is most welcome.
Thanks.

[animishticomb]

Hello Magnite owners, a rather stupid question - I'm from Bangalore and considering Magnite as one of the options. We want to first do a test drive and compare with other options like Honda Elevate on the list.

Q1 Which is a good dealer in Bangalore for Nissan? I have Jubilant Nissan relatively close by
Q2 Do I need to do anything special for doing a test drive ( like pdi before paying amount and whole pdi list etc)
Q3 Do we need to go to the showroom for test drive or can they also come home around 8-9km? I've read some people have called dealers home for test drive here.
Q4 Do we need to get the quotes as part of test drive or is that once we are closer to decision?

Thanks for reading the long post and thanks in advance for sharing your knowledge