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| ![]() What I would wish this package to be... 1. A plug-in hybrid, so I can wall-charge the battery independently. 2. A bigger battery. 200-250 kms range would suffice considering this a hybrid, so the petrol motor need not fire frequently providing for a better driving experience. 3. Battery installed in the floor-panel conventionally. 4. Perhaps a smaller (3-cyl petrol) motor. The car's propulsion would come from the electric motor and the primary job of the petrol motor is to charge the battery only. This would also help offset the highter cost of bigger battery. |
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2. ADAS may not be as effective through fog and that's why the system is designed to warn and disable itself if it cannot read the lines or the road clearly. It will tell you the system is temporarily not available. Quote:
Also, there is no pure electric range specified as the system decides how to use the EV mode. If you are using it inside traffic and constantly braking and accelerating, the range goes up since the regen recovers charge. If you accelerate more aggressively the petrol engine kicks in. Quote:
But all new cars from 2023 need to meet BS6.2 which means all the Kia/Hyundai cars that are currently being sold without SCR and urea dosing cannot be sold unless Kia/hyundai again adapts new diesel cars to urea dosing and SCR. This is the primary reason Maruti/VW/Skoda didn't want to get BS6 diesel in 2020 cause they knew it's only for 3 years till 2023 Bs6.2 norms kick in after which diesel will not make sense in smaller applications. | |||
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| ![]() Fantastic review. I completely agree that hybrids are the stepping stone before going fully electric which will take another 10-15 years for the infrastructure development in India. I am surprised that it took so long for the Japanese makers to bring affordable hybrids to the Indian market. Nevertheless, kudos to Honda for bringing it. I am also glad that this hybrid City e:HEV comes with all the level-2 ADAS features |
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| ![]() Great review. I think depending on driving style one can exceed the company specified fuel efficiency. Why nissan has not thought of launching their epower series (where IC engines acts purely as a generator and electric motor turns the wheel) in India.Once Honda announce their prices,I am sure that Nissan will realise that they had missed the bus. |
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| ![]() A lot of people say "If priced right ..." So, what is a good price? At what price would you buy it over the corresponding City Petrol? City Diesel? |
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| ![]() Excellent review and a probable excellent product. All said and done, I am not very optimistic about the feasibility and success of this product. That's more to do with the predicted price than product as a whole. 20+ lakhs ex showroom is like 5 lakhs more than the ZX CVT model. That translates into 6-7 lakhs higher initial investment. There will be few benefits (apart from emission and the obvious efficiency) like 1. ADAS system 2. More rated torque and ease of driving (silence/response in city traffic) But ultimately the car looks more or less the same. And this is no step ahead in terms of overall performance. So is it worth the extra money for the benefits that the car has to offer? I doubt mathematics says it otherwise. A crossover. With only hybrid option should be something Honda better target for. Because in value game, City hybrid has got very little justification irrespective of the sophistication offered in terms of powertrain. (Unless they price it really aggressively.) Or atleast government should give tax benefits to strong hybrids to make sense |
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| ![]() This is the type of car which you first brush aside as a gimmick, but fall in love hard as time goes by. Very much like AR Rahman's classics which makes one to love even more every time you listen to it - A Slow burner. Well I'm impressed to the bones now, a proper global hybrid on our shores. The amount of engineering went into this to create this as is' is freaking impressive. I feel this is the type of car which in 20-30 years be like "My papa/grandpa used to own the first gen Octavia" - A special legacy to leave behind for a petrol head. The more you think about it, it gets more obvious - Hybrids, especially for India. Lets get real, EV infra is going to take atleast 2 decades to be as ubiquitous as fuel stations are. Hybrid's going to slot in perfectly for the transition to happen. Fuel efficiency is not a primary thing for me but an added bonus (but can't digest 6-7-8 kmpl ones). I would gladly get one IF priced around 25L OTR. And that's a big IF, I can easily see it touching 30L |
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But hypothetically if I have to pick this over regular City for the hybrid and other technology on offer, it would to 3 to 3.5 lakhs over top end City at the maximum. Beyond that I dont see any benefit of this, mainly from efficiency perspective. And then the compromise one has to do in terms of boot space. Last edited by sunikkat : 3rd May 2022 at 13:23. | |
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| ![]() Fantastic review. Especially the explanation about how different modes work. I had not been following this car much and had assumed it was a namesake hybrid mainly for marketing purposes. Did not realise it was the real deal as far as hybrids go. Sounded very complicated and alien, but being Honda am sure they have perfected the system. The addition of ADAS is a welcome move. The boot-space is a huge downer though. 300liters is almost useless considering it is an expensive sedan and am not sure if the mileage efficiency benefit is good enough to outweigh the practical consideration of a good boot. Definitely looking forward to a test drive though. |
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In engine mode the petrol engine drives the wheels but also charges the battery pack. you can clearly see in this mode a gear lock symbol appears on the dash and the power flow changes showing engine to wheels as well as wheels to battery for charging. Quote:
What you are confusing it with is how a clutch works in a manual transmission. In a manual you have a clutch that when engaged locks the transmission to the engine. When you press the clutch pedal you are actually releasing the clutch from engaging and disengaging the transmission. In the Hybrid the clutch engages and locks up the engine to the wheels. Last edited by Vid6639 : 3rd May 2022 at 14:42. | ||
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If I am not wrong in engine mode, battery charging does not happen, I guess it's battery and motor assisting the engine. Last edited by SKC-auto : 3rd May 2022 at 14:58. | ||
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| ![]() Good that we finally have a Hybrid that can be had for less than half a crore. But with a boot that is so small, this will not make sense for many. It simply can not make an out-of-district family trip with that boot space. Only people with a long daily work commute can consider this. In my opinion, a differential cost of 2 lakhs on road over petrol Honda City will be justified considering the ADAS tech and the hybrid. Honda anyway needs to rebuild some lost reputation. So they better price this sensibly. |
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| ![]() The efficiency and running costs seem to be at par with the diesel City. So, I feel the pricing should also be at par with the diesel City. Slowly Honda can axe the diesel engine and in place provide only petrol and petrol hybrid options. |
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