[PYSO]

Originally Posted by Neil Roy

One has to literally catch the Jimny by the scruff to wrangle out any semblance of pick up.

I haven't yet cancelled my booking but I think I will given that it might not be a capable replacement for my Thar.

Not trying to get into a debate - but want to help you think it through. I have not been able to understand why Thar owners keep raving about the powerful engine - it serves very little purpose in my view.

In the city - the Thar is too large as well as a poor handler, and that limits what you can do with any quick acceleration that the engine permits you. Also, if its the turbo petrol engine - then its low end is nowhere as responsive as that of the Jimny.

On the highways - Thar starts getting unstable at 80 kmph, and gets outright dangerous to drive above 100 kmph. Of course, you can accelerate fast to 80 or 100 kmph in a straight line - but then so what? What is the point of a mighty engine in a car that has to be driven below 80 kmph?

Off the roads - Thar's mighty engine is bogged down by its weight. You will already see numerous videos on Youtube of Thars getting bogged down in places, where Jimny simply glides through.

In summary - Jimny is a superbly engineered product with a decent engine. Thar is a poorly engineered product, in spite of its powerful engine.

My bet is that any Thar owner who also buys the Jimny will end up selling his/her Thar in a couple of years. Other than looks/street cred and space (and a powerful engine which is of questionable usefulness) - the Jimny beats the Thar on every other dimension that I can think of.

So, if looks and space is all that matters to you - then keep the Thar. If anything else matters - then you know where to look.

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[Neil Roy]

Originally Posted by PYSO

Not trying to get into a debate - but want to help you think it through. I have not been able to understand why Thar owners keep raving about the powerful engine - it serves very little purpose in my view.

I apologise if you're offended, but that's not my intention. My Thar is actually a 2019 limited edition. It is only marginally wider than the Jimny and hence driving(read intimidating auto drivers) inside city is a breeze. Highway driving is a big concern as braking with the archaic mahindra design is always a thorn in the flesh. I genuinely wanted to buy the Jimny as I needed to replace the Thar for the same points that you mentioned very truly - Safety. With that as a base reference, I did a point by point analysis for all the queries and how I feel the Jimny is inadequate in a larger perspective of needs.
1.City and Highway driving - While it is very much possible to drive sedately and build up speeds, Iam pretty sure that the other sub 4 metre crossovers priced much lower and with better features will definitely attain these speeds quicker both in city and high ways.
2. Off roading comfort- As of now this was the only reason why I really wanted the Jimny badly. Comfort in off-roading. My present Thar for all purposes and my MM540 4WD strictly for off-roading alone serve reliably but with no comfort. Sadly, Jimny in Chennai does not even have Test drives for on road leave alone off-road. Without even test drives, Nexa Nandanam Chennai has given deliveries to 4 people and I'm scratching my head wondering if I should be so desperate to buy a vehicle for 17 lacs upwards without even knowing what I am getting into. I know, nobody is forcing me but the mass frenzy in booking and taking deliveries is nothing sort of beyond comprehension.
Now, coming to the question of power, any long distance person will tell you that quicker is better. It reduces road time, it reduces driver fatigue and definitely stress. By these measures, it seems that Jimny is woefully short on that front.
And for the claims of off-roading capabilities, So far in most of the challenges like Palar challenges or the off-roading sessions in Kerala, it is usually the Mahindra that rules. I really don't know why but it has been that way, In fact in all of the estates nearby mine in kanyakumari, people have only the Mahindras. The few people who got the Gypsy have sold it and replaced it with a Mahindra.
To summarise, this is my gripe. I genuinely want the Jimny, but I dont even know whether it is enough to suit my purpose of city, highway and off-roading....but it is way over priced and underpowered. Heck, I even enquired and pre booked a bolt on turbo costing approx 4 lacs from greddy to boost the Jimny power, but post the price launch, I cancelled it. Spending 21 big ones for what Jimny is bringing to the table is wrong. I really hope you understand and can relate to my predicament and frustration.

[PYSO]

Originally Posted by Neil Roy

My Thar is actually a 2019 limited edition. It is only marginally wider than the Jimny and hence driving(read intimidating auto drivers) inside city is a breeze. Highway driving is a big concern as braking with the archaic mahindra design is always a thorn in the flesh.

I am one of those who like the old generation Thar more than the new generation Thar.

I found the Jimny to be a better balance - Combining the positives of old and new generation Thar, while avoiding the negatives of both.

Test drives are not available in my city (Kochi) or nearby towns. I have enquired with more than a dozen dealers, and none of them are giving test drives. They seem to be getting too many bookings even without test drives. Whatever small numbers of Jimny they are getting from Maruti - they are immediately delivering to customers who seem to be getting edgier as the waiting gets longer. I was lucky to get a test drive on the very first day it was launched in Kochi - a couple of days later the dealer stopped offering test drives.

As for pricing - this is my thinking (and I could be wrong). Mahindra will launch the 5 door Thar in 2024. It will be priced 2-3 lakhs higher than the 3 door Thar. That will give Maruti an opportunity to raise the price of Jimny by 2-3 lakhs after adding a few extra features like sear height adjustment, and auto rear view mirror. Maruti may launch a 3 door Jimny to counter the 3 door Thar. Or simply leave the 3 door market to Thar, as it will be a very small niche market - and Maruti doesn't get into small volume products ever.

I fully understand your predicament. I am in a similar predicament. I am not too worried about the engine power. I will simply switch off the OD right after I switch on the ignition. 90% of my driving is within the city, and I am unlikely to use the Jimny for long trips. My predicament is that Kerala MVD doesn't allow most mods, and the Jimny looks too sedate and plain Jane in its unmodified form. But i am going ahead with the Jimny nevertheless.

[IB290]

Test drove the MT Jimny. It felt better than the AT though the engine still feels sluggish. The brakes with the control of gear selection give confidence. While no dead pedal, my size 8 feet could rest on the left the clutch. That just makes the MT drive so much better. It is just something that will be very easy to get used to and feel like one has been in it for ages. And the narrow width and visibility that will give the confidence to take it pretty much anywhere.

I am going for it.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by Neil Roy

To summarise, this is my gripe. I genuinely want the Jimny, but I dont even know whether it is enough to suit my purpose of city, highway and off-roading....but it is way over priced and underpowered. Heck, I even enquired and pre booked a bolt on turbo costing approx 4 lacs from greddy to boost the Jimny power, but post the price launch, I cancelled it. Spending 21 big ones for what Jimny is bringing to the table is wrong. I really hope you understand and can relate to my predicament and frustration.

If you want to drive down from Bangalore/Chennai to Nagercoil in a hurry and then climb up to hills - on the same day - get the Thar, it makes light work of it. Jimny sure has its audience but you will have to change the suspension, steering , chassis, engine , transmission, brakes etc to keep up with a Thar on the highway, that thing is made for speed, plenty of speed.

[mpant05]

Originally Posted by Neil Roy

driving a slow moving snail on reasonably good tarmac leaves more negatives than positives in the mind of the potential buyer or sucker depending on how you look at it. One has to literally catch the Jimny by the scruff to wrangle out any semblance of pick up. The mileage indicator was reading 5.9KMPL

I got to test ride the Jimny past saturday. It was a KY Alpha AT vehicle. Though I have booked an MT, I still took the ride. It was a good 15 km ride on good roads with moderate traffic.
The first thing I noticed was that the Jimny looked exactly like the Gypsy and I immediately was at home driving in the traffic. For reference, I've been driving a gypsy for the last 13 years.
The AT Jimny is definitely slower than the Gypsy, and it actually felt agonizingly slow sometimes, but overall I was satisfied with the ride quality, and the eagerness it showed once it picked up some speed.

However, the AT gearbox in Jimny has the options to mimic the manual way of changing gears and it made a lot of difference.

Originally Posted by PYSO

I will simply switch off the OD right after I switch on the ignition.

Exactly, one can start with OD off and on L (first gear), then move to 2 (1-2 gears), then to D (1-2-3 gears), and finally switch off the OD mode (1-2-3-4 gears) to get the entire range..and building up this way was easier than any manual as the gearbox is soft switching and the modes are laid out in the L-2-D order.
I understand that after buying an AT, one may not want to use it as a manual, but there is an option nonetheless.

I found the engine to be silent, there was no noticeable gearbox whine either.
I could not go beyond 80 Kmph owing to the traffic.

When I started the drive, the vehicle was showing an average FE of 8 kmpl, which increased to 8.9 kmpl by the time I finished the drive. And I drove with a heavy foot !

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[neerajku]

All this debate will settles down in 6-8 months time when Jimny would have got tested thoroughly, initial frenzy would have settled down, and production would have ramped up enough. Right now see a lot of Thars in the second hand market, whatever be the reason. Hope the best vehicle wins.

[Jimny_svm]

Took my new Jimny on a 3500km Road trip from Gurgaon to Leh and back.
Started my Journey on 30th June evening and took halt at Ludhiana at midnight.


Next day headed to Srinagar but took halt at Banihal JKTDC due to Amarnath Yatra.(you can see the Jimny in background)


Next day did touristy things in Srinagar and took halt at Sonamarg.


Then started the main journey, crossed Zojila with ease in this beast early next morning!


Headed directly to Leh crossing Kargil and magnetic hill. Did some off-roading on magnetic hill with no problem!


Reached Leh in evening and took rest next day in Leh.


Started early next morning for Nubra. Crossed Khardung La early morning.


Went up till the last Village Thang (can view India POK border from here). The last stretch is total off-roading but easy peasy for this one.



Rode the dunes at Nubra (tip: keep tyre pressure low and 4L)


Next day started for Pangong tso and reached by evening. The main route was closed so took detour which was off-roading for almost 100kms. Stayed at the last Village in Merak at Pangong Tso


Went to Tso Moriri next day from Pangong lake, no petrol pumps or network 150kms. Tso Moriri is less crowded and more wild than Pangong tso


Headed back to Leh Manali highway which was another 100 kms from Tso Moriri without any pumps or network again the road was very bad. More 300kms of roads till Keylong with no network and pumps.
We crossed Baralacha La and it was snowing there. Also had to cross a landslide.


Reached Sissu by evening and due to heavy rains roads got blocked and got stuck in Sissu for 4 days, it was fun though had time to relax and chill.
Took this photo of galaxy on a clear night after 3 days of rain in Sissu


After waiting for 4 days in Sissu reached through Gurgaon through alternate routes in 24 hours.

Overall I loved the feel of Jimny. It's a beast off-road and a gentle animal onroad. It's happy to cruise at 100 in highways, beyond that it feels stretched. Considering the off-road capabilities I am satisfied with its on road performance. Body roll is there but not as much as Thar. It's much more nimble and agile than Thar. The engine feels slightly underpowered especially when you want to overtake but not so much on off-roading. It's a keeper any day!

[ecosport rules]

DHC bladeless wipers are looking very nice in comparison to the stock wipers.
It has a nice red line visible from inside which is an icing on the cake

[dsr001]

Some people questioned where will a Thar Turbo petrol be useful if it can easily go upto 80 only.

On highways within city limits/non expressways, usually 80 is the limit. If you struggle to reach that while others zoom past you on tarmac, it won't feel good.

Thus, if you have to just go straight, in Thar, the engine + 6AT supports you well, much more than Jimny with just an NA petrol engine.

The AT masks turbo lag very well. The torque makes easy an otherwise arduous climb.

Jimny is a great vehicle with some limitations and some benefits, same for Thar, but both are poles apart in some areas. Buyers need to be careful of this and also others opinions which may not be suitable for them.

[ecosport rules]

I didn't like the spare wheel cap that came with the Jimny,so,I removed it and added a centre hub cap, previously ordered from the service centre.
New worry was the vulnerable spare wheel.
Installed the Farad wheel lock nuts to secure it.
(It comes in a set of 5 nuts)
Sharing a picture for your reference

[ecosport rules]

Installed the Farad crossbars on my Jimny.Everything was straight forward,do it yourself as per the manual.
Slided a couple of T bolts onto the top of the crossbars and installed the recovery boards too.
I loved the final outcome.Sharing a couple of pictures for your viewing pleasure.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Happy Jimnying.

[shibujp]

If you opt for the 3D all weather mats that Maruti offers as I did please be sure to either get the hooks for the driver side mat installed or get them so that you can do it yourself. It's a straight forward 10 minute job. The dealership may have no clue what these hooks are for so ask for them. They come with the mats if I am not mistaken.

Maruti has conveniently provided slits in the carpet to access the hole in the frame to clip these hooks to as in the image below.



Using a small blade you can either cut away the square portion of the carpet to access the hole or just fold the bottom of the square upwards as shown.




Here is how the hooks look after installation.



Thanks to a post on this thread, I asked for the hooks specifically after seeing that.

Drive on,
Shibu.

[sammysossa]

Originally Posted by ecosport rules

Installed the Farad crossbars on my Jimny.Everything was straight forward,do it yourself as per the manual.
Slided a couple of T bolts onto the top of the crossbars and installed the recovery boards too.
I loved the final outcome.Sharing a couple of pictures for your viewing pleasure.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Happy Jimnying.

Looking great. Exactly what I was looking for. If possible could you please share the model numbers, prices and from where did you buy both the locking nuts and the roof bar? Thank you.

[ecosport rules]

Originally Posted by sammysossa

Looking great. Exactly what I was looking for. If possible could you please share the model numbers, prices and from where did you buy both the locking nuts and the roof bar? Thank you.

Bought the crossbars and wheel lock nuts from Farad.
Contact Kalpesh( +919326089919) and refer my name(Dr.Kumar) and Team-bhp for the best prices.