It is very encouraging to learn that almost 80% of BHPians are extremely law-abiding drivers, and never / rarely get fined. But what about your significant other, your teenage child, or your chauffeur? Most chauffeurs I know, are fairly ignorant of traffic rules and signs, and would drive at, say, 40 kmph in a 50 kmph zone when they are aware that speed cameras usually operate in that area.
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Originally Posted by gkveda "Follow traffic rules" |
Very true - except, there are so many grey areas in our list of traffic rules that a traffic policeman determined to complete his 'quota' of
challans for the day is allowed to target you for such 'deemed' violations. Take, for example, dangerous driving. It could include cutting lanes, or even accelerating hard from 0-50kmph in a 50 kmph zone. Note that there is no fine described for blowing your extra-loud horn in a hospital zone or school zone. At a traffic stop, no one is penalized for stopping haphazardly without remaining between lane markers, but there is a penalty for crossing the stop line.
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Originally Posted by bluevolt Driving without license?
What does this exactly means for NCR Traffic Police?
I don't keep my original license with me and instead carry e-license through DigiLocker App. Same for the vehicle RC.
I also keep a copy of order that validates carrying of license through digi locker app and will be acceptable by police. |
Traffic cops are gradually becoming aware of the existence of DigiLocker, but most do not care about Supreme Court orders - if you do not have your physical DL, what are they supposed to impound and suspend for 3 months if they catch you for violations such as speeding or jumping a red light in Delhi-NCR?
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Originally Posted by Hayek ...when 5 cars squeeze into 3 lanes - and you have occasional fines for “lane cutting”. |
The traffic police are neither aware of, nor able to enforce international Right of Way rules, which govern who goes first at places such as merging lanes, roundabouts or crossings. The new Act does not talk about it either.
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Originally Posted by Hayek My driver who drives my wife’s Vento has incurred 2-3 Parking Fines, and 2-3 fines for crossing the line at signals. The second category is avoidable and he is going to be warned that he may pay 50% of those costs. Let’s see how this goes. |
Hope he actually
knows the rules, and thereby drives more carefully. Otherwise his best efforts will come to nought.
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Originally Posted by Chetan_Rao 'Don't break the rules, Duh!'
Snark aside, and granted some of the proposed fines are arbitrary and our traffic cops known opportunists (speed cams on downwards slopes anyone?)...
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...I'll consider the fines a price worth paying for a better behaved driving population. |
Traffic policemen learn up a single rule each day, and use their tunnel vision to start fining only those drivers who violate that particular rule. For example, a team of cops catching motorists for speeding will only do that - if you drive past them with your seatbelt undone, they wouldn't notice!
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Originally Posted by pkulkarni.2106 Do they expect drivers to fix their eyes on the speedo to make sure they don't exceed the limit?
This may sound stupid, but what if a slight "margin" is allowed? For ex: if the speed limit is 60KMPH, +/- 5KMPH should be tolerated, vehicle speed may vary because of the slight upward/downward slopes. |
If the speed limit is 60 kmph, drive at 55 if you cannot hold the car steady at 60. Or get a car with cruise control. Keeping a constant check on your speed as displayed on the speedometer is certainly an important part of driving, and there can be no excuses about it.
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Originally Posted by aravind.anand ...shopping malls pay the local policemen well, so they plonk 'No Parking' boards in all streets near the malls and ensure it is adhered strictly, just to ensure they park inside the malls as it is a very important revenue for them. |
The police-parking mafia nexus is a rampant issue everywhere across the country.
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Originally Posted by RedTerrano I have been driving for ~30 years and I have been "fined" a grand total of one time. |
Wow! That's a great record!
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Originally Posted by RedTerrano I try and follow as many traffic rules as possible. Not for the cops, but because it is the correct thing to do. |
I like that part in bold! Correct as well as the safest thing to do.
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Originally Posted by RedTerrano ...75-80% of the fine collected should be officially given to the cop issuing the challan. |
That would lead to arbitrary challans all over the place, such as, if you sneeze while driving, a cop will fine you for dangerous driving.
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Originally Posted by Eddy Actually come to think of it, this may not be as tough as I imagined. I always follow all traffic rules including the 50 kmph limit when I drive in Chandigarh.
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Because the policing is very strict, even more so for outstation cars. I hope the entire country becomes Chandigarh. |
Chandigarh traffic cops love outstation cars! If they don't find anything worthwhile to fine you with, they'll stop you just to check your PUC and insurance!
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Originally Posted by cm1933 As someone living in a small city that is regularly overrun by tourists every weekend (some of who are DUI),I am all in for strict enforcement of these new fines for traffic infractions. |
And a few members from small towns have said they do not need to pay traffic fines where they live and drive! Most small towns do not have traffic enforcement at all, and that is surprising.
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Originally Posted by cm1933 Why fine only the infractions by motor vehicles? What about the pedestrians? Half the problems on Indian roads are due to totally unregulated pedestrian movement. How can the roads be civilized as long as the pedestrian gets a free pass? |
Pedestrians, cyclists, hand-drawn as well as pedal rickshaws, non-motorized goods carriers, all should have been under the ambit of the new law. Unfortunately, the wise folks who formulated the new M V Act thought that since it is the Motor Vehicles Act, it should only regulate motorized vehicles, and not ALL road users.
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Originally Posted by cm1933 Maybe they should fine the local governments for lack of proper traffic markings/signs. |
Haha!! Who will bell the cat?
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Originally Posted by JBIBS Bold move, But barely enough. Because there are so many problems which lead to violations in our country. Top 3 key reasons which I see from my experience of staying in multiple countries and from the observations I have made -
1. Serious lack of Infra.
2. Lack of adequate police personnel.
3. Culture |
Very well described.
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Originally Posted by turbowhistle Looks like everyone is a law-abiding driver here and never gets fined ( 80% vote suggest that) |
Yes, that percentage is much higher than what I was expecting, but it makes me happy.
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Originally Posted by COMMUTER I do wish we have uniform speed limits for similar categories - residential, SH, highways or expressways. But that is asking for much. |
Indeed. There are speed bands described by the UN & WHO for certain types of roads, and speed management is not only about putting up signboards with arbitrary numbers on them. For those interested, the attachment would be worth a long read...
WHO INT Speed Management Manual.pdf Quote:
Originally Posted by COMMUTER If I get unduly victimized , I have planned to drive at irritatingly lower speeds(50% of that limit) on those stretches many times over. |
Oops... that would endanger yourself as well as a lot of other road users!
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Originally Posted by Ranabegins I don't break traffic rules intentionally. I have never been fined but I have only been driving regularly for around two and half years. |
Encourage you to maintain that record!