[joe1980]

Originally Posted by gk01

I only wish such monsters are handed over to the people. There would be no better punishment.

The fear of being killed by thousands of people is far greater than the fear of being killed by a mere rope.

Exactly, it should be made sure that there must a factor of fear instigated rather than just hanging them. Those who think about committing such a crime in the future should think about the consequences in fear. Those accused are sadists, and the punishment they deserve should also be sadist and barbaric in nature. Hanging is just not enough! They must be tortured to death. No human rights at all. They should be fed live to hungry Tigers and Lions!

This is what I say should happen. I'm happy that it is happening. It should now just be made public.

While Tihar Jail officials have refuted reports that Mukesh was beaten up and forced to drink his own urine and eat excreta, sources said the incident did happen at the prison.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation...es_818016.html

[srishiva]

I dont understand if we have so many people who are sexually deprived that much to commit such heinous crimes.

I dont think that lack of punishment is the root cause for this. Anyone would assume the worst case result for such a crime to be life altering.

[voodoochild]

How is there any question of "prime accused" and "co-accused" or whatever? They're all worse than wild beasts! And one of them pleads that he didn't harm the woman, only battered her male friend! So he gets off easy eh? But the other guy was just driving the bus! Why not just let him go with the usual "Rs. 100 fine for lane indiscipline" or something! This is a farce! The lawyers defending them should be ashamed of even trying!

[WindRide]

This calls for an 'encounter'. Bring in the specialists and get the deed done.

I remember an acid-throwing case a couple of years ago in AP. Acid thrown on girl's face - girl disfigured for life - girl belongs to a well-connected family - all the accused arrested and bumped off in an encounter - Police explanantion? - "they tried to escape". Encounter happened in the middle of a thickly wooded area. We can figure out what actually happened.

It is this sort of justice we badly need. Courts are anyway over-run with long-wided cases and horribly back-logged.

Quote from Shooter (2007):
"For the record, I don't like the way this turned out any more than you do. But this is the world we live in. And justice does not always prevail. It's not the Wild West, where you can clean up the streets with a gun. Even though sometimes that's exactly what's needed."

[joe1980]

Originally Posted by voodoochild

How is there any question of "prime accused" and "co-accused" or whatever? They're all worse than wild beasts! And one of them pleads that he didn't harm the woman, only battered her male friend! So he gets off easy eh? But the other guy was just driving the bus! Why not just let him go with the usual "Rs. 100 fine for lane indiscipline" or something! This is a farce! The lawyers defending them should be ashamed of even trying!

What? Are there really lawyers defending them? Why would they do that? I cannot understand. What is that lawyer going to defend? Is he going to say that they did not commit any crime? Strange!

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by roy_libran

India needs to be a lot more imaginative to inflict extraordinary pain and humiliation to these six animals before they die.

Animals never hurt anyone except possibly in self defence. They only typically kill either for food or in self defence.
Hence, comparing these 6 people to animals is not ok.

We can rant and rave and rail at each other about this wicked crime. But our society is so very very ill indeed and as a nation, we have to really take some drastic steps to clean up our act.

Drastic situations call for drastic measures. It may not be a bad idea to have a dictatorship for a while. And forced conscription into the Indian Army and therefore, compulsory Army Service, for all Indians aged between 16-20 - for at least 2 to 4 years. Only this way will our youth learn National Pride, and have some amount of discipline and perhaps decency instilled in them.

That poor girl may not survive and indeed, why should she go through prolonged suffering of this kind? It is better for her to have a merciful release.

Those perpetrators of the crime should undergo punishment similar to what they mete out in some of the Islamic / Semitic Nations - as per the Old Testament "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" surely should apply in this case!

[voodoochild]

Originally Posted by joe1980

What? Are there really lawyers defending them?

Not yet, but there will be. "Fair trial, justice for all" blah blah. And they lawyers will, having no other choice, probably plead insanity. Or ask for whatever sentence is pronounced to be commuted saying "defendant is the only breadwinner of his family milord!". And then case will languish in court for about 8-10 years (judges need vacations, no?) until a conscientious milord comes along to pronounce a death sentence. Then an even more conscientious lady president will come along and shower pardons.

All this while an innocent girl battles for her life. Such is the state of the country's law enforcement. Now did someone say fast-track court?

[vij]

Yes, barbaric - I genuinely felt grief when I read today's newspaper about how the girls intestines had to be removed and she will permanently have to be fed intravenously and can never again taste food. This is life-long punishment :( I hope there is some way she can ingest fluids by mouth.

Those 6 men obviously 'get off' on torture - they are dangerous to the society. But death would be quick and easy. I just wish they suffer.. a lot.


The other day I was at the mall and a girl just jumped the queue and put her hand from nowhere right in front of me to collect the tickets. I asked her rhetorically if she didnt see there were people waiting. She looked at me and simply said 'I see it, so what' - I got a bit annoyed and told her she cant be doing this and she cooly told me "yes I can, watch me". She seemed to enjoy this, safe in the knowledge that she is a girl and I couldnt do anything about it. I was angry then, but now after reading about this rape incident - I feel secure, thankful and happy that atleast in smaller situations women can use their gender privileges to their benefit.

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

That poor girl may not survive and indeed, why should she go through prolonged suffering of this kind? It is better for her to have a merciful release.

Those perpetrators of the crime should undergo punishment similar to what they mete out in some of the Islamic / Semitic Nations - as per the Old Testament "An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth" surely should apply in this case!

[liferocks]

Now since all of us (India) agree that death penalty should be given to these creatures, we must start demanding that they do not get an easy death.
Their death penalties should be so horrific that fear of such a death should make anyone pee in their pants before even thinking of doing any such thing.
In my opinion another campaign should start, demanding that no lawyer should defend these accused. Rather lawyers voluntarily should refuse defending them. That would definitely be the best contribution towards the society.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by vij

The other day I was at the mall and a girl just jumped the queue and put her hand from nowhere right in front of me to collect the tickets. I asked her rhetorically if she didnt see there were people waiting. She looked at me and simply said 'I see it, so what' - I got a bit annoyed and told her she cant be doing this and she cooly told me "yes I can, watch me". She seemed to enjoy this, safe in the knowledge that she is a girl and I couldnt do anything about it. But now after reading about this rape incident, I feel secure, thankful and happy that women can use their gender privileges to their benefit.

OT:
I would not condone such behaviour from anyone - girl or boy.
It just argues that such people are generally uneducated in the finer things of life and are crass and uncivilized to boot, regardless of gender.
I see this often on the roads where some lady drivers (typical working people) flash past overtaking on the left, ignore traffic lights and drive badly while talking on the phone/ headset or sometimes head phones.
There is not much one can do in these cases really but that does not mean I have to "like" it.

But all said and done, the perpetrators of this evil criminal offence to humanity, must be subjected to publicly visible atonement in the hope that it will dissuade others from doing similar things or even entertaining such ideas.

The age of innocence sadly, is past and all we have now are the extreme ills that society and people are plagued with. I am sure that this world as we know it will come to an end quite soon.

[vikram_d]

This is an old article but it is definite food for thought.

http://archive.tehelka.com/story_mai...Coverstory.asp

[vij]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

OT:
I would not condone such behaviour from anyone - girl or boy.
It just argues that such people are generally uneducated in the finer things of life and are crass and uncivilized to boot, regardless of gender.
I see this often on the roads where some lady drivers (typical working people) flash past overtaking on the left, ignore traffic lights and drive badly while talking on the phone/ headset or sometimes head phones.
There is not much one can do in these cases really but that does not mean I have to "like" it.

But all said and done, the perpetrators of this evil criminal offence to humanity, must be subjected to publicly visible atonement in the hope that it will dissuade others from doing similar things or even entertaining such ideas.

Agree with you Shankar. But in some ways, now when I think about that mall incident - I would want our sisters, wife and daughters to have that undue gender advantage. Ofcourse, not to harass people - but it strangely makes me more comfortable now about that scenario. I guess the 'bus rape' incident was too horrific and my perspective has morphed at this moment and I have lost my sensibilities. Maybe I will be more neutral in a few days.

[voodoochild]

Originally Posted by liferocks

In my opinion another campaign should start, demanding that no lawyer should defend these accused. Rather lawyers voluntarily should refuse defending them..

Then this would "go against the very nature of the Constitution" and such! As in Kasab's case, when Mumbai's bar association's substantial list of members refused to represent the terrorist, the CJI steps in to insist on provision of a lawyer. First lawyer was dismissed IIRC, and Kazmi was appointed.

Now Mr. Kazmi did a commendable job of ensuring the terrorist got what he deserved and he wasprovided heavy security. Who is to provide the same security to a lawyer representing the victim of a heinous rape? If brother of "prime accused" abetted the crime, then cousins/uncles/friends/wellwishers of the same could ensure the case never reaches its natural conclusion!

[vij]

Give them lawyers, who cares - they have no chance. At best they can plead insanity and confess to reduce the sentence. Looks like the girl could survive, albeit with a difficult life. If that happens death penalty unfortunately is out of question for these criminals.

[IronH4WK]

Originally Posted by WindRide

This calls for an 'encounter'. Bring in the specialists and get the deed done.

this is exactly what is needed!

all six of them should be gang raped, castrated and then shot dead in public view so that no one even thinks of committing this heinous crime, ever!

Originally Posted by WindRide

Quote from Shooter (2007):
"For the record, I don't like the way this turned out any more than you do. But this is the world we live in. And justice does not always prevail. It's not the Wild West, where you can clean up the streets with a gun. Even though sometimes that's exactly what's needed."

couldn't agree more with the attorney general!

i just hope this case doesn't end up like Jessica Lal or Kasab's case *sigh*