[Latheesh]

Expert opinions please!

https://youtu.be/w3xq4cEHT0s

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by drrajasaravanan

Siddha or Ayurvedic medicine cannot deal with this virus with the rapidity of changes it brings in an individual's body. If the hospital provides isolation areas and oxygen by all means utilize them but regarding treatment there is no possibility Alternative medicine can dent it. Do not hesitate or look for appropriate support if the situation demands.

Originally Posted by Gansan

As per my understanding, they took only asymptomatic or moderately symptomatic patients. ... ... ... But if any patient seemed to get serious he was immediately shifted to a proper government hospital by them. Those facilities saved a lot of regular hospital beds from unnecessary occupation. In that sense they were good.

Thanks for your replies.

I read in the newspaper today about the CM opening a new example of such a covid care facility, and also investigated the internet a little more.

Yes, they are doing this invaluable job of providing care to mild sufferers. No, they are not pretending to be able to replace mainline medicine in treating serious cases.

So they are doing a good thing in a responsible way.

[PearlJam]

Originally Posted by Latheesh

Expert opinions please!
https://Youtu.be/w3xq4cEHT0s

It's a 44 minute video! Not sure who will have the time or inclination to watch the full thing. Please be considerate and mention the gist/summary of this, so that only those who are really interested will watch. Thanks!

[SS-Traveller]

Originally Posted by Latheesh

Expert opinions please!

No expert, but technically & theoretically he may be right.

OTOH, it's such a complicated argument, that it cannot be explained to those in charge of implementing his suggestions.

TL;DR: According to the gentleman's theory, vaccines in the middle of a spreading pandemic with mutating viruses cause more mutations. Not necessarily an evidence-based theory, but you're welcome to waste 44 minutes of your life.

[Gansan]

Originally Posted by Thad E Ginathom

So they are doing a good thing in a responsible way.

Some of my relatives in the past were Siddha practitioners in our native place. I used to interact with them when I visited during school vacations. I have seen and even eaten some of those traditional preparations. Some were extremely tasty, the main ingredient being honey! Sometimes I have seen them examine a patient, and then quietly tell him to go and see a cardiologist/Gastroenterologist or some other specialist without wasting time. They didn't try to treat them.

A decade ago I took my wife to a highly recommended Siddha practitioner in Chennai for some issues and she did get relief. He was a vey old man. After examining her pulse (they talk of three or four pulses) the first time, he simply declared she had hypertension (the Tamil name for it literally translates as "boiling blood!) and included a powder for that too, along with the other remedies. He even told a systolic/diastolic value. Worried, I took her to our usual GP a few days later, who checked her Bp and sure enough it was elevated. The sys/dia values he wrote were not too far off from what the Siddha doctor told. I was very surprised.

But she didn't take the Siddha medicine for HT, of course. The GP put her on a diet/exercise regimen for a month, kept checking her bp every ten days, and then finally put her on medication for it.

[Latheesh]

Originally Posted by PearlJam

It's a 44 minute video! Not sure who will have the time or inclination to watch the full thing. Please be considerate and mention the gist/summary of this, so that only those who are really interested will watch. Thanks!

Summary is in the video itself

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by Latheesh

Summary is in the video itself

Thanks.

I just skimmed it, and I'm no virologist or epidemiologist, but I have quite a good sense of smell. And it smells to me like antivaxxer stuff, of the more "intelligent" kind. By intelligent, I mean well-written and formulated in a way that appears well reasoned and scientific.

Perhaps I should say antivaxxer stuff of the more dangerous kind?

In my entirely amateur opinion, I would say that Britain is, right now, proving the effectiveness of mass vaccination.

But hey, the Covid story has a long way to go now, and I'm certainly prepared to be surprised by who turns out to right and who turns out to be wrong. Assuming I live to see it.

[DirtyDan]

I took both shots. No reaction at all to either. Statistically it seems like a good risk to me compared to not taking the vaccine. Polio vaccine, smallpox vaccine...so many vaccines over the last several decades have been shown to be efficacious statistically. My immediate neighbors are both doctors. They took the vaccine. Every doctor I know, which is not a huge number, admittedly, has taken the vaccine. I understand the logic of what a variant can do. I am a little older than most of you. Never in my memory has a bug mutated so drastically as to threaten huge numbers of people. Again, I took the vaccine knowing it was not perfect and a bit of a crap shoot. Good luck, folks.

[delusional_fool]

My dad has been recently diagonised with mucormycosis and admitted to hospital. He just recovered from covid a week ago and yes he was hospitalized for covid and was treated with steroids; And yes he is also diabetic. So a word of warning for any one who is administered with steroids and also diabetic, closely monitor your blood glucose post covid recovery.
Also keep an eye on symptoms like tooth pain, face swelling, nose / eye pain, black spots in face, etc. We detected it early so the complications are some what less. so don't not ignore such symptoms and consult an ent specialist as soon as possible.
Another thing is that the treatment is really expensive mostly due to the high cost of the anti fungal medicines. My father is being administered very high doses of anti fungal and we are spending around 60k per day for medicines alone. Medicine expense alone is expected to cost around 6 lakhs in total apart from other costs.

[Thad E Ginathom]

Originally Posted by delusional_fool

My dad has been recently diagonised with mucormycosis and admitted to hospital. ...

I have only heard of this within the past few days, and it is sounds truly awful.

Best wishes to your father.

[drrajasaravanan]

Originally Posted by delusional_fool

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Another thing is that the treatment is really expensive mostly due to the high cost of the anti fungal medicines. My father is being administered very high doses of anti fungal and we are spending around 60k per day for medicines alone. Medicine expense alone is expected to cost around 6 lakhs in total apart from other costs.

Hi,
Sorry to hear about your ordeal. Wishing the best for his speedy recovery. I could not PM you. If you can share your number I can try to get the medications and cross check the cost. If you think it can help please let me know.

[delusional_fool]

Originally Posted by drrajasaravanan

Hi,
Sorry to hear about your ordeal. Wishing the best for his speedy recovery. I could not PM you. If u can share your number I can try to get the medications and cross check the cost. If you think it can help please let me know.

Thanks a lot for your support.

Phosome 50 inj and PiCASA syrup are the expensive ones here. Phosome 50 costs 7.8k (with 5% gst) and expected dose is ~70 qty in total. So that alone is expected to cost close to 5.5 lakh rupees.
PiCASA syrup (105 ML) costs 19.9k (with 12% gst) and I'm not sure of the total dosage, right now it's 45ML per day.

I tried looking at alternate brands online that are much cheaper but everything is out of stock, apparently there is a shortage of anti fungals due to the sudden spike in cases. Also I'm not sure if the hospital will allow buying drugs outside and also not sure if they will allow alternate brands.

If you think these prices are too high and there are ways to get this for a cheaper price, please let me know. Really appreciate your help. My number - 9176068867

[Gansan]

A hypothetical query to doctors. With the central government permitting states and private entities to import vaccines, it seems we will have access to Pfizer / Moderna vaccines in a few months. Can a person who has already taken a dose of Covishield choose to wait for a specific period and go for one of those vaccines? If yes, how long should he wait?

[sunilch]

Originally Posted by delusional_fool

Also I'm not sure if the hospital will allow buying drugs outside and also not sure if they will allow alternate brands.

Hospitals can't force you to buy from them only. You can get the same brand on your own (they will not fuss about it at all) and try alternatives if you are ok to accept the risk or counter argument from them that they don't trust alternate brands, etc.

However, the issue here is getting these in desired quantity on time. You need to have them handy at disposal of the medical staff whenever needed. Given the ongoing situation and the fact that your father is admitted, this is the most challenging part.

But if you can source the supply for next week, simply hand it over the staff and ask them to use that and inform you 1-2 day in advance for next batch. Also, when you buy from outside, inform the dealer/seller that you may return any left-over (not unpacked yet) stock.

[DirtyDan]

Originally Posted by SS-Traveller

TL;DR: According to the gentleman's theory, vaccines in the middle of a spreading pandemic with mutating viruses cause more mutations. Not necessarily an evidence-based theory, but you're welcome to waste 44 minutes of your life.

I don't believe this clip.

Statistics can mislead and be misinterpreted. I took the vaccine and I now have some immunity probably. This makes me more likely to survive this specific pandemic. As a consequence it makes me more likely than I was a year ago to live to be struck by lightning. This probably should not be interpreted by reasonable men as the vaccine CAUSING me to be electrocuted. The causal nexus between vaccinated people and lightning electrocution is not strong in our science. Similarly the causal nexus between being vaccinated and contracting a variant is no stronger than an unvaccinated person contracting a variant, as far as we know right now.
There seems to be no more reason for an unvaccinated man to contract a variant than a vaccinated man. In fact, it is claimed that the vaccine does give immunity to at least some of the variants. Furthermore, vaccines can be tailored for variants in all probability.

With the burgeoning world population and increased international travel, pandemics may be much in our future world-wide. New ways of making effective vaccines super fast might be wise. E.G. by complex computer modeling. I regard this last statement as a semi-scientific statement, not an intrinsically political statement. Letting Darwinian natural selection run its course in a viral epidemic may improve the species long term. But it might also cause suffering on a colossal scale and might even wipe out the entire human species. I take this latter consequence to be avoidable and undesirable.