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View Poll Results: If planning to emigrate or have already emigrated to a foreign land, what is the main reason? | |||
Better career opportunities and/or higher salary | ![]() ![]() ![]() | 32 | 17.98% |
Better infrastructure (roads, clean air, low crime etc) | ![]() ![]() ![]() | 70 | 39.33% |
Worried about India's future from kids' PoV (communal strife, education reservations etc) | ![]() ![]() ![]() | 53 | 29.78% |
Did not plan / just went with the flow | ![]() ![]() ![]() | 17 | 9.55% |
Other | ![]() ![]() ![]() | 6 | 3.37% |
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| Re: Emigrating to a Foreign Land!! Is It Worth It? After doing my master's in the US (2.5 yrs stay, I took my time), I returned to India due to lack of good opportunities for freshers in the US market. You could go through consultancies and fake your experience but I was in no mood to do that. Just my choice, no offense to those who choose to do so. I've been working in a very decent product based IT company here for almost 3 years now (that's all of my experience) and I have not many issues with the job. However, from the time I returned, I felt myself a stranger to the very land I had left a few years ago. I find myself frustrated with a lot of things in India some of them being: - Our traffic sense. The NUMBER ONE reason to move. I feel like I'll be squished like a mosquito at anytime owing to the sheer stupidity and lack of common sense in our drivers. In a car, I always find myself slowing down for morons cutting in and try very hard to keep myself relaxed. Hyderabad clearly has some of the worst drivers. - Mentality. I find the mentality of the majority of our population to be disgusting and in support of racism, casteism, communalism, corruption (tedi ungli), sexism, regionism, populism, and destruction. - Value for life. People die in hundreds every day across the nation on roads, train accidents, building mishaps, in bore-wells, from broken school buses, bomb blasts and more and nobody seems to care. I don't want to be a statistic on India's (poorly maintained) statistical records. - Noise. India is very noisy, and on top of that we've a temple across our street. I've been sleeping with my ear plugs for the last 3 years. Traffic noise and human noise starts at 5.30AM. Might seem silly to some, but not for me :( ... and many more. I'm currently looking to move to a place that has GOOD driving sense and/or an excellent public transport network, is safe and quiet, and has no issues with ethnicity. My wishlist of nations to emigrate to in the order of preference: 1. United States - been there, I liked it OK, pretty safe roads. Huge country, lot to explore in travel. But, horrible VISA process and paranoid TSA and DHS. Need your help to gain re-entry. Need H-1 VISA to enter and then try for jobs? 2. Singapore - visited once, liked it very much, clean roads, multi-ethnic, great public transport, and very close to India. No idea about VISA process. Need help. But, tiny country and lot of negativity surrounding the kingdom's rule. 3. Australiza/New Zealand - Heard good things about both, but I've not much knowledge otherwise. Do I need a job in hand before I go there? Or can I fly and then search for opportunities on a tourist (?) VISA? 4. Netherlands - this is purely a fantasy. I love cycling and I know the city's infrastructure favors cycling. Not a fan of the climate, but wouldn't mind. But, EU in crises, I've no hope of finding a job there. Language barrier. And no idea about VISA process either. Please suggest and feel free to criticize my selections. Help me get out! Last edited by hellmet : 13th December 2012 at 22:04. |
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BHPian ![]() | Re: Emigrating to a Foreign Land!! Is It Worth It? Quote:
The rules for Singapore are simple. You get Visa's in the following ways: 1. Study 2. Work 3. Business Study: If you take up admission in Singapore, you get a student visa and then through campus placement, the employer can give you a work visa. Job: If you land up with a job in Singapore, your employer will sponsor your Visa. If your salary is higher than $8000, you get a P1 Visa. Can apply for PR on completion of a year. If your salary is higher than $6000, <8000, you get a P2 Visa. Can apply for PR on completion of 2 years. If your salary is >$4000, <6000, you get a Q1 Visa and do not qualify for a PR until your salary goes up. Tax for non-residents is fixed at 20%. For leading a decent life in Singapore, your salary needs to be upwards of $10,000/month. Business: Minimum investment of $2.5M in a GI Fund or startup gets you a PR right away. Singapore is at par with NewYork/London in terms of cost of living. However the Asian culture is suitable for most of us. Plus it's proximity is a benefit for us. | |
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| Re: Emigrating to a Foreign Land!! Is It Worth It? Thank you for the information! If you don't mind sharing what's your current situation - job experience, single/family, etc? Any other country you have on your list? Quote:
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Seriously, SGD10000? I'm single and without any responsibilities, and with my experience I don't expect to earn more than SGD4000 per month. | ||
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SGD10,000??? ![]() I have few friends working there and even for my experience the maximum that I can expect is SGD5500. My friends said that is actually sufficient. And I really doubt that figure is realistic as salary. Most of the companies offer in the band of SGD 4000-6500 for experience of 3-6 years. Please correct me if I am wrong. | |
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Not a preach or something but "Is the the nation our fighters had fought for?" Won't we have been better (disciplined and developed) if english men had not left the country!?! Anyways I am form Architecture and Construction field with PG Degree and 3 yrs of exp. Can anybody guide me on getting immigration procedure to New Zealand. I have heard the norms are easy and opportunities in my field are good. My first choice was UK, though have relatives but lack of opportunities in construction and stricter visa norms ruled that out Somebody experienced to help for New zealand. Also suggest some good and quick immigration service in New Delhi. Thanks! Last edited by Honda Monk : 14th December 2012 at 12:38. | |
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I've always thought so, too! Last edited by hellmet : 14th December 2012 at 13:12. | |
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Malaysia is much cheaper to live compared to Singapore, and the Salary range is also adjusted accordingly (read lower). It may not be as safe and clean as Singapore, but on the plus side it’s very cheap to own and maintain a car. Regarding Singapore, it’s pretty well covered in Noopster’s response. I will add on a bit more based on my experience here. Quote:
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The public transport system is extremely efficient, with well connected bus and train (MRT) network. All you need is one access card for both the systems. Taxis are considered expensive if you compare with India, Thailand or Malaysia, but its cheap if you compare with Tokyo, UK, Australia etc. To keep the traffic situation under control, the govt. has imposed something called COE (Certificate of Entitlement) for new cars, which normally is much higher than the actual cost of the CBU car. Just to compare, and brand new Suzuki Swift will cost around 40 lakhs+ if converted into INR. I have been here for 12 years now. Never felt the need of buying a car. That said, car market here is growing, and nowadays BMW tops the monthly sales chart (it used to be Toyota during the low COE years) ![]() Quote:
High-speed home broadband is quite cheap, and normally you can opt for bundled packages with your Cable TV. Normally landline connection comes free with those packages. And there is free wifi around all the malls/shopping places. Quote:
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| Re: Emigrating to a Foreign Land!! Is It Worth It? Does anyone here have any information about migrating to Eastern Europe? Im considering moving to Eastern Europe. Ive shortlisted Romania. Im not looking for weather information and i know its snowed out for almost 5 months in a year and has extreme summers too. Does anyone have any pointers / websites to share about Romania or Indians in Romania? If you have been there, or know someone there, the information will surely help. The lifestyle, the people, cost of living, etc Please dont give me a Wiki link ![]() |
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One thing I rather had complex about was the height of the people there! Dutch are considered to be the second tallest on earth (just behind some deep African tribe). Standing just 5'8" I was much smaller than your average dutch female ![]() | ||
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| Re: Emigrating to a Foreign Land!! Is It Worth It? Hi all THis thread has really caught my imagination and I have breezed thru it in 2 hours flat! Like a lot of contributors to this thread, am also one of the few who left Bangalore to come to Manchester (initially for a few years) but am now stuck in trying decide whether to stay here or go back to my motherland. I actually came here, courtesy of my wife, who was working here already. We initially planned to save a bit of money for a few years and then go back as both of visit hoem every year and yearn to go back for good. The main reason for my not deciding to go back to India is the financial and job security that will be missing at my age. Being middle aged and not belonging to the IT sector, it will be difficult for me to start my career afresh if I do return. I have a daughter who is 5 and am beginning to get worried about the values she will be taking in during her growing up years. Actually, by the looks of it, both countries have their own set of positives and negatives in terms of upbringing. I can see a lot of Indians in the exact state that I am in where we want the best of both worlds, i.e. the standard of living that we get in the UK but for everything else, luv to be in India. Moreover, with children growing up, its tough to take decision on their studies, future etc., When you start planning a life in India, you plan to have enough money for you to go back and not work for a living, but then you reach a stage where you dont actually know how much money is enough money? I am not even talking about leading a luxurious life back home, but with the standard of living having gone up so much back home, it is just going to take me more time to decide when is the 'right' time for me to go back. Subs |
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It's not the standard that has gone up, it's the cost of living. The housing boom & rising purchasing power have pumped a lot of funny money into the system. And supply-chain constraints have increased the prices of essentials. Before we discuss any further, please let us know what you love about India, in points, the techies and engineers that we are, and we can then further elaborate. ![]() Also R2IClubForums is the place to be, for you. It's about people returning to India. This thread is about people like me who'd like to swap places with you :P Last edited by hellmet : 14th December 2012 at 17:29. | ||
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So the $10000 is something that I was getting after 10 years of experience in my industry. The breakup of $10000 is as such: House: 2/3 BHK : $3000. With a family its difficult to stay in HBD as they are given by government and checks are done from time to time if the owner is staying or rented it. Transportation : $500 Schooling: 2 kids : $1500 DPS Groceries: $800 Utilities: $500 Normal Weekend Expense: $600 Budget fot travel to India: $200 That totals to $7100 a month. You need to buffer for unforeseen expenses. Now once you plan to come to India once every 6 months or a year, you definately shop and that too hard. If at all you are not able to save 30%, what's the point in staying away from the family. This was in my situation. For a bachelor you can cut the costs. You can refer to the following website; http://www.guidemesingapore.com/relo...ent-pass-guide | |
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