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While the stats that you have put may be correct, what you fail to mention is the amount of effort he put into his game. Ask any Indian captain from Azhar to Dravid under whom he played. He was there when his captain needed him the most. Sadly, same can't be said about current bunch of bowlers we have. It has come to such a state that even Dhoni himself had to bowl in last few games. It's easy to blame the team, but as i have said earlier, it's BCCI which should take the blame. It has got it's priorities all wrong. Last edited by SilentEngine : 14th August 2011 at 14:56. | ||
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I wasn't arguing with Kumble. I was arguing with someone who called Kumble a quality spinner. |
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Didnt Kistern say that players at that level dont need any coaching!!! | |
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By your logic, Shane Warne is not a quality spinner either because his average in spin friendly Indian pitches is 43 and strike rate is 81. | |
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Likewise Warne had problems bowling in India. Without these problems, he would have been an even greater spinner. But even with that hiccup, he is a quality spinner, because he has done well in practically every other country. Kumble, OTOH, had problems bowling anywhere except on Indian pitches. | ||
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Current Indian team is missing someone like Kumble, that is what original post from joslicx was about. I agree with him. | |
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I don't agree with that. I don't see how Mishra did any worse than Kumble would have done? Mishra returned with 3 for 150. I don't see any evidence in Kumble's past career to show that he would have done much better in these conditions. |
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Heck! Ishant Sharma did not want to take the ball after the second session after lunch at Trent Bridge because he was too tired. We were in a great position and could have skittled England out for under 150. Ishant was bowling the spell of his life and had ripped through the English top-order. He could have caused further devastation, but chose not to bowl. That move alone let the English team score in excess of 200 and then take the match away from us. | |
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![]() Probably that's the best Mishra could do. Since you are well versed with digging stats out of cricinfo, i think you can find the evidence yourself, if you want. Here's one sample: Headingley 2002 Kumble 1st innings: 33-7-93-3 2.81 Kumble 2nd innings: 29.5-12-66-4 2.21 India won the match, btw. 3rd Test: England v India at Leeds, Aug 22-26, 2002 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo Next time you bring stats to the table, please carry a bigger bag ![]() Last edited by SilentEngine : 14th August 2011 at 17:18. | |
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Go over the full career of Kumble & find out how many times he did something like this outside of India. If doing once in 30 matches is good enough, then I will pick Agarkar instead of other pace bowlers (in a similar comparison of pace bowlers). Last edited by carboy : 14th August 2011 at 17:18. | |
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Now you want more. I can give you more, but i don't want to waste my time on that. Please find it yourself. ![]() | |
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Wasn't it Kirsten who was credited to India's top spot in the test rankings as well as the world cup. What happened just one series down under? Have they faltered that easily. Its the coach's duty to identify the SWOT for the players and work on them. Nothing happened in Windies and now in England we are already on the mat offering the tests on a platter to the Engish without any fight. I think Fletcher is not doing enough, the Indian team coach's job is a high profile job and Fletcher was selected to continue where Kirsten left off. | |
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When it comes to agreeing to play, i think you got it wrong here. I don't think players' opinions are considered. Every time Dhoni talks about playing too much cricket and it falls on deaf ears. So basically players don't have a choice. Some seniors who are assured of their places may decide to skip a few matches like against WI, but otherwise players don't have a choice. You can say that they should have skipped IPL. But who organizes IPL? It's BCCI again. Quote:
I don't know if you have read John wright's book, it's a good read. Last edited by SilentEngine : 14th August 2011 at 19:26. | ||
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One should also remember Kumble's contribution with the bat. He would always fight it out and put a price on his wicket unlike some of our present tailenders who are over-eager to throw their wickets away by playing million dollar shots | |
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If you want to look at negative things you can also look at how Kapil performed in the last 7 or 8 years of his career. | |
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