[Eddy]

If that were the case, it was stupid of VVS to retire based on the newspaper comments alone. Who the hell is Manjrekar to be taken so seriously ?

[carboy]

Originally Posted by WindRide

As per today's TOI editorial, it was the Bombay duo's (Gavaskar and Manjrekar) 'advice' thru newspaper columns that forced Laxman to quit. Wonder if these two would provide the same advice to their State-mate a.k.a Demi-God a.k.a Joker (to a few of us).

There is enough difference between the twos performance for it to be valid to offer the retirment advice only to one of them

Last 2 overseas series
Laxman - 331 runs @ 21
Sachin - 560 runs @ 35

And 4-5 years back, when Sachin was going through a bad patch, Manjrekar had offered him retirement advice at that time.

This time is very different.

Gambhir has been terrible for 3 years. Sehwag does well only in the sub-continent these days. Laxman had a miserable series of Eng and Aus. Sachin has done better than all of offering him retirement advice.

[selfdrive]

Originally Posted by subs

For us viewers, it is such a blessing to be born in an era of so many great legends as we enjoy watching them perform. But can you imagine, for players like Badrinath and Stuart Law, after years and years of struggle and sacrifices, they dont get the recognition they deserve and have to live with the tag of 'almost legend'!

Originally Posted by esteem_lover

Some more name comes to mind, Brijesh Patel, V.Sivaramakrishnan

Here is an article with a list of some greats who didnt play tests.

http://www.cricketcountry.com/cricke...-cricket/17802

[esteem_lover]

Originally Posted by Eddy

If that were the case, it was stupid of VVS to retire based on the newspaper comments alone. Who the hell is Manjrekar to be taken so seriously ?

Seems like the Bombay brothers are now retirement consultants and offer advice to those who did not seek it in the first place. Shastri seems to be employed elsewhere now.

[selfdrive]

Originally Posted by suhaas307

Unfortunately, we ourselves are to blame for this! When I say we, I mean the general public and the angry Indian fan who loves flinging these bottles onto the field.

For us, blame is always collective while praise is individual. Why so? not asking in terms of your statement suhaas. just wondering generally.

Originally Posted by Eddy

If that were the case, it was stupid of VVS to retire based on the newspaper comments alone. Who the hell is Manjrekar to be taken so seriously ?

maybe he thought it was a good idea to let someone else be groomed on indian pitches. and maybe he also was not sure of maintaining his fitness level till the next overseas tour.

Originally Posted by esteem_lover

Seems like the Bombay brothers are now retirement consultants and offer advice to those who did not seek it in the first place. Shastri seems to be employed elsewhere now.

I hope Shastri has taken this advice from those two.

[Eddy]

Originally Posted by selfdrive

maybe he thought it was a good idea to let someone else be groomed on indian pitches. and maybe he also was not sure of maintaining his fitness level till the next overseas tour.

If this was the case - fine. What I cannot digest is retiring because Sanjay Manjrekar opposed your selection...

[esteem_lover]

Originally Posted by selfdrive

maybe he thought it was a good idea to let someone else be groomed on indian pitches. and maybe he also was not sure of maintaining his fitness level till the next overseas tour.

If that was the case, he would have announced his retirement much before the squad was announced, he is the last person in the world to play for personal needs.

Originally Posted by selfdrive

I hope Shastri has taken this advice from those two.

[selfdrive]

Originally Posted by Eddy

If this was the case - fine. What I cannot digest is retiring because Sanjay Manjrekar opposed your selection...

ha ha, true. In fact there is one thing that Mr. Manjrekar did which I immensely liked.
In Bombay, there was (is?) this immense issue of flex boards,a s with anywhere else in the country. Apparently he put up a flex board wishing a happy birthday to his gardener. or was it his dog? it doesnt matter, what it did was bring to attention this idiotic usage of flex boards.
while I agree this may not really be the case, I find Mr. Manjrekar to be a better commentator than Mr. Shastri at least. But again thats no good benchmark

[Eddy]

Ah, commentary has been discussed on this thread before. There is NO Indian commentator which I like, save Harsha Bhogale and Sourav Ganguly.

[faustus77]

Hi everybody
On saturday the 8th sep economic times carried the article on its front page.The headline ran as under:
Is Sachin stuck on the crease for ad deals?
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Defau...&ViewMode=HTML
Regards

PS:Selfdrive hi.Manjrekar was wishing his gardener happy birthday.Unfortunately it has not made any difference.Our politicians are thick skinned for such subtle messages.

[suhaas307]

Originally Posted by selfdrive

For us, blame is always collective while praise is individual. Why so? not asking in terms of your statement suhaas. just wondering generally.

No comment.

Originally Posted by esteem_lover

If that was the case, he would have announced his retirement much before the squad was announced, he is the last person in the world to play for personal needs.

Originally Posted by Eddy

Ah, commentary has been discussed on this thread before. There is NO Indian commentator which I like, save Harsha Bhogale and Sourav Ganguly.

Completely agree with the both of you. +10000 for that!

Originally Posted by faustus77

Hi everybody
On saturday the 8th sep economic times carried the article on its front page.The headline ran as under:
Is Sachin stuck on the crease for ad deals?
http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Defau...&ViewMode=HTML
Regards

Ah! More controversial news! Come come now my pretties. *schemingly rolls fingers*

For what it's worth, Sachin must not be affected by this. He must do what he feels right. I'm no one to judge.

[dZired]

Does anyone know where the live streaming of todays match can be seen online.

[PPS]

Poor Rohit Sharma, he doesn't seem to be doing anything right!
I feel Dhoni missed a trick by not taking the final delivery & leaving it to Rohit. He should have refused the two since he was the set batsman & more likely to connect of the last delivery.
Offcourse credit to the Kiwis, especially their intimidating looking medium pacers who pulled things back in the last 7-8 overs.

[suhaas307]

Losing a T20 match from a winning position (48 runs from 42 balls with 7 wickets remaining) hurts. Especially after watching a Kohli special.

Kudos to the Black-Caps for holding their nerve. I knew, the moment when we needed 25 of the last two overs, that the match was lost.

Sending Raina up the order wasn't a smart move, I'd say. I'd rather have had Tiwari sent up the order. And I would have chosen Rahane instead of Rohit Sharma. Dhoni should have come right up to the stumps the moment McCullum started looking dangerous. Many of those boundaries came of the meat of the bat after he gingerly walked down the pitch. Elementary mistakes. Can't afford to make these, especially with the T20 World Cup right 'round the corner.

[karanraheja]

Originally Posted by suhaas307

Sending Raina up the order wasn't a smart move, I'd say. I'd rather have had Tiwari sent up the order. And I would have chosen Rahane instead of Rohit Sharma.

I think Raina was promoted to No. 3 since that is his usual batting position with CSK and they wanted to maintain LH and RH Combination after Gambhir s wicket.

I dont think Dhoni will opt for Rahane , he has persisted with Sharma for so long. I think Dhoni s batting to an extent was a cause for the loss. Anyways a good lesson before T20 WC.