The Cricket Thread

harry10 · 28th June 2016, 16:47

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Originally Posted by carboy

Didn't know that. That's good, I guess. However, Tenvic also seems to be an agent for cricket players - won't that lead to a massive conflict of interest?

As per bcci that will be sorted out before he starts the job.

Also, I am extremely happy about Kumble being the coach. He is a no nonsense hard task master. I am a firm believer coaching should be done by someone who has been a great player himself because they know all the hardships on and off the field. Also, the big ego of our so called superstar will stay in check too.

msdivy · 28th June 2016, 16:54

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Originally Posted by carboy

Didn't know that. That's good, I guess. However, Tenvic also seems to be an agent for cricket players - won't that lead to a massive conflict of interest?

Coach doesn't have a say in team selection. Then how would that be conflict of interest? Even the current ODI & T20 captain owns player management company. I think Lodha report raised conflict of interest issue for BCCI office bearers. Players, coach are more like contractors.

carboy · 28th June 2016, 16:59

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Originally Posted by msdivy

Coach doesn't have a say in team selection.

Coach and captain are invited to the selection committee meetings. They give their opinions before the selectors decide.

It's an obvious conflict of interest case.

pratyush6 · 28th June 2016, 17:00

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Originally Posted by msdivy

Coach doesn't have a say in team selection. Then how would that be conflict of interest? Even the current ODI & T20 captain owns player management company. I think Lodha report raised conflict of interest issue for BCCI office bearers. Players, coach are more like contractors.

I believe coach has a say like the skipper - its just that he cannot vote. It is potentially a big conflict of interest and I expect Kumble to move out of Tenvic. I also think Kumble should be given a decent run - say 3 years. Agree he has no coaching experience but don't think that really makes too much of a difference. However, it would have been nice if he did have it.

NPV · 28th June 2016, 17:12

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Originally Posted by harry10

Also, the big ego of our so called superstar will stay in check too.

And who are you referring to here ?
I think we have a set of level headed young players in the team now who are also down to earth

landcruiser123 · 1st July 2016, 03:31

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte...o/1031213.html

This is called good luck.

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Originally Posted by msdivy

Performance was more of less same during this period

Agree on this point. Since the players in the XI are the best in the country, a coach is a strategist and helps to eliminate a player's weakness.

Performance of the team depends mainly on the captain and the players in the XI. A coach can give advice and guidance, it is upto the players on how they take it and decide to improve their game.

A special mention on Kumble: He bowled very well outside Asia. Ashwin's test performances outside Asia hasn't been great. Kumble can provide him with vital tips on how to bowl outside Asia. Holding up one end is the key on the first 2 or 3 days of a test match.

Eddy · 5th July 2016, 16:52

Don't worry about the coach, guys. Kumble is only a stop gap arrangement. The Wall is honing his skills with the junior teams and it is only a matter of time......

ampere · 6th July 2016, 10:04

Sign of the times! This cannot be more explicit! Difference in bat sizes. Barry Richards Vs David Warner.

Source Cric Info:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/c...y/1032347.html

NPV · 6th July 2016, 10:12

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Originally Posted by Eddy

Don't worry about the coach, guys. Kumble is only a stop gap arrangement. The Wall is honing his skills with the junior teams and it is only a matter of time......

Couple of days ago, BCCI had a new format meeting with the Under-19 & India A coach (The Wall), chief selectors, captains and Chief Coach of the Indian Team (Jumbo). These kind of meetings seem like no-brainers but strangely this was a first of it's kind apparently. Just hope they work as a holistic team rather than different siloed teams.
Source:http://epaper.newindianexpress.com/8...2016#page/13/2

landcruiser123 · 16th July 2016, 13:26

With Vince, Ballance and Bairstow struggling, who does England look towards for stability in the middle order?
Bell and Pietersen?

Can anyone answer how Cook scores so much considering he's so vulnerable outside the off sump? His test records are very impressive.

C300 · 19th July 2016, 13:22

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Originally Posted by landcruiser123

With Vince, Ballance and Bairstow struggling, who does England look towards for stability in the middle order?
Bell and Pietersen?

KP is out of question I guess. The chapter is closed for him.

If they bring this middle order to India, it will be a whitewash.
KP along with spinners were the difference when they won last series here.

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Originally Posted by landcruiser123

Can anyone answer how Cook scores so much considering he's so vulnerable outside the off sump? His test records are very impressive.

Lack of quality bowling and flat pitches at International level.
Look at the state of Australian pitches.

tortoiseNhare · 19th July 2016, 13:35

Love them or hate them but you can't ignore them! Congratulations to the Pakistan cricket team for their superb victory at Lords. Once again it was proved that bowlers win matches.

landcruiser123 · 19th July 2016, 23:25

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Originally Posted by C300

KP along with spinners were the difference when they won last series here.

They maybe tempted to bring Panesar back?

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Originally Posted by tortoiseNhare

Once again it was proved that bowlers win matches.

It was a great win in a relatively low scoring match. I think Misbah and Add Shafiq made the difference.

Eddy · 19th July 2016, 23:37

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Originally Posted by landcruiser123

They maybe tempted to bring Panesar back?

Monty's gone, perhaps forever. Last I read, he was in a mental rehab clinic battling mental illness.

I wonder why it is mostly English players that suffer from these mental problems - Trescothick, Trott, Panesar, Harmison et all.

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Originally Posted by landcruiser123

With Vince, Ballance and Bairstow struggling, who does England look towards for stability in the middle order?
Bell and Pietersen?

Wasn't Bairstow among their top scorers in the last series against SL ? I think he is safe. Bell could be an option, depending on his domestic form but KP definitely isn't. Strauss is still the big boss, remember ?

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Can anyone answer how Cook scores so much considering he's so vulnerable outside the off sump? His test records are very impressive.

All openers are, to a certain extent. He has got good technique and the temperament to make big scores, so deserves all the success he has had.
However, it'll be interesting to see what'll happen to his form if England lose this one against Pakistan and then are drubbed in India

landcruiser123 · 20th July 2016, 01:38

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Originally Posted by Eddy

Monty's gone, perhaps forever. Last I read, he was in a mental rehab clinic battling mental illness.

He's back playing FC cricket. He's even played in July.

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All openers are, to a certain extent. He has got good technique ---- temperament to make big scores, so deserves all the success he has had.

All openers are beaten outside off. That doesn't mean they're weak.
Cook seems so unsure outside his off stump. I've never seen him drive through the off side also. He has a noticeable weakness. His test average has dropped over the last few years.

But with regards to temperament, there are only a few batsmen who are/were better than Cook. He does work hard for his runs.

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Eddy Team-BHP Support Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 9,388 Thanked: 13,305 Times	Re: The Cricket Thread Don't worry about the coach, guys. Kumble is only a stop gap arrangement. The Wall is honing his skills with the junior teams and it is only a matter of time......
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ampere Team-BHP Support Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 17,952 Thanked: 12,944 Times View My Garage	Re: The Cricket Thread Sign of the times! This cannot be more explicit! Difference in bat sizes. Barry Richards Vs David Warner. Source Cric Info: http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/c...y/1032347.html
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landcruiser123 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 2,986 Thanked: 6,859 Times	Re: The Cricket Thread With Vince, Ballance and Bairstow struggling, who does England look towards for stability in the middle order? Bell and Pietersen? Can anyone answer how Cook scores so much considering he's so vulnerable outside the off sump? His test records are very impressive.
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tortoiseNhare BHPian Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Guwahati Posts: 536 Thanked: 90 Times	Re: The Cricket Thread Love them or hate them but you can't ignore them! Congratulations to the Pakistan cricket team for their superb victory at Lords. Once again it was proved that bowlers win matches.
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