[gthang]

Originally Posted by akshayhonda

VW2010 the Diavel Std & Carbon, Monster 795, Panigale 899 and the Scrambler will be brought down to India from Ducati's Thailand plant. Hence the prices are justified.

And recently Ducati has imported a Diavel to India at a declared price of 10L

A declared price plus the tax will put it at 20+.

I seriously doubt that they will price it that low. Seriously hope, is more like it, since it will devalue my bike drastically. Oh well, Life's like that.

Since we are guesstimating, here's my guess.

There was a batch of ~90 MY2012 Ducati's sitting in customs warehouse for a while now. Our three Coimbatore Diavels were part of that shipment.

No idea what has happened to them. It could be that Ducati has cleared them and is having a clearance sale to boost image/market share.

All 100% pure speculation on my part.

Cheers

Ride Safe.

[SnS_12]

Originally Posted by akshayhonda

VW2010 the Diavel Std & Carbon, Monster 795, Panigale 899 and the Scrambler will be brought down to India from Ducati's Thailand plant. Hence the prices are justified.

And recently Ducati has imported a Diavel to India at a declared price of 10L
Attachment 1337541

Thats an insane price for a Diavel. But are you sure you want to buy a Diavel over a Busa? Straight line acceleration of a Diavel is insane, but cornering is not its strength unlike the busa. So I personally did not enjoy riding it.

By the way, does Christopher still have any bikes in the showroom?

[giri1.8]

Originally Posted by akshayhonda

VW2010 the Diavel Std & Carbon, Monster 795, Panigale 899 and the Scrambler will be brought down to India from Ducati's Thailand plant. Hence the prices are justified.

And recently Ducati has imported a Diavel to India at a declared price of 10L
Attachment 1337541

We can't rely on this value AFAIK, Mercedes Benz C class import value was close to a million rupee, but they sell it for 3 times more than that! Value of import determines the duty to be paid, so it will always be as low as possible.

[akshayhonda]

Originally Posted by giri1.8

We can't rely on this value AFAIK, Mercedes Benz C class import value was close to a million rupee, but they sell it for 3 times more than that! Value of import determines the duty to be paid, so it will always be as low as possible.

Woah I didnt know about all this. But let's be positive about Ducati coming to India now

Originally Posted by SnS_12

Thats an insane price for a Diavel. But are you sure you want to buy a Diavel over a Busa? Straight line acceleration of a Diavel is insane, but cornering is not its strength unlike the busa. So I personally did not enjoy riding it.

By the way, does Christopher still have any bikes in the showroom?

Haha I don't think so mate. Busa is too hard to resist. I was just saying I might think of Diavel over Busa for the expected price (if at all it comes to reality). And I'm more of a tourer hence anything that's comfy and good will be my choice. Prefer Busa anytime.

Christopher doesn't have any bikes now. All sold off. Guess the showroom will under go revamp once official Ducati rolls out.

Originally Posted by gthang

A declared price plus the tax will put it at 20+.

I seriously doubt that they will price it that low. Seriously hope, is more like it, since it will devalue my bike drastically. Oh well, Life's like that.

Since we are guesstimating, here's my guess.

There was a batch of ~90 MY2012 Ducati's sitting in customs warehouse for a while now. Our three Coimbatore Diavels were part of that shipment.

No idea what has happened to them. It could be that Ducati has cleared them and is having a clearance sale to boost image/market share.

All 100% pure speculation on my part.

Cheers

Ride Safe.

True that. Let's wait till 18th March for the actual mystery to unfold

[djay99]

Here are my two cents:

Diavel was imported recently for 10L which is usually called as the transfer cost. Custom duty is calculated on this price. I guess there's some mechanism/rule to arrive at this price. This can't be too low (to save duty).

If you recall, duty was raised from 60% to 75% in 2013 budget for >800CC motorcycles and later on all motorcycle import became expensive (coupled with rs depreciation).

But duty of 75% is not applicable if a motorcycle is imported from Thailand since Free Trade Agreement(FTA) allows goods to be imported at a much lower rate (typically 20%-30% for many goods).

Hence Diavel can be priced at 14L only if Ducati does not want to make good profit which is highly unlikely as no company would want to do that. But yes they can make it an introductory pricing for a limited number of bikes and later on increase it.

PS. Z800 is imported from Thailand at a transfer price of 4L. Ex-showroom Pune price is 7.35L.
Z1000 is imported from Japan at a transfer price of 3.77L (5L for ZX-14R). Ex-showroom Pune price for Z1000 is 12.5L

If Z1000 was imported from Thailand, Kawasaki could have priced it in current Z800 territory but manufacturing in Thailand may incur different cost than in Japan.

Originally Posted by giri1.8

We can't rely on this value AFAIK, Mercedes Benz C class import value was close to a million rupee, but they sell it for 3 times more than that! Value of import determines the duty to be paid, so it will always be as low as possible.

True. But duty applicability depends on source country from where the goods are imported. Same car may attract 30% when imported from Thailand and over 110% when imported from Germany. Hence EU is pushing India for FTA. We may see top of the line Audi A4 for like 25L some day.

[giri1.8]

Originally Posted by djay99

True. But duty applicability depends on source country from where the goods are imported. Same car may attract 30% when imported from Thailand and over 110% when imported from Germany. Hence EU is pushing India for FTA. We may see top of the line Audi A4 for like 25L some day.

All the points mentioned by you are very true, but I am not sure if manufacturers would transfer the price difference to its customer if the competition is no where to be seen. Read somewhere that BMW is targeting 50% localization (level of localization seems to be increased in iterations) but prices of their cars kept rising with every increase in custom duty.

Coming back to topic, Diavel would be priced at no less than 20L ex-showroom. One of the reason for this is brand recognition which other brands like Aprilia, MV Agusta don't enjoy in India.

[barcalad]

If the stories about HD staff switching to Ducati are true, I can imagine what treatment will enthusiasts (if not buyers) who visit the showroom will get.

I clearly remember a close friend visiting Ducati Bangalore (before it was defunct) who was interested in the Monster. He casually rested his finger on the fuel tank of a 848 (don't remember clearly) and was literally rebuked for doing so. The salesman gave him his card and told him to call back once he had made up his mind.

[GTO]

Excellent choice of dealership, a lot better than the earlier 'chor'.

Infinity Cars has BMW & Aston Martin under its umbrella. Now, Ducati too.

[Fullrevs]

Originally Posted by barcalad

If the stories about HD staff switching to Ducati are true, I can imagine what treatment will enthusiasts (if not buyers) who visit the showroom will get.

I clearly remember a close friend visiting Ducati Bangalore (before it was defunct) who was interested in the Monster. He casually rested his finger on the fuel tank of a 848 (don't remember clearly) and was literally rebuked for doing so. The salesman gave him his card and told him to call back once he had made up his mind.

If thats the kind of attitude they wish to sell their bikes it will certainly not bowl over prospective customers like myself.

A friend recently booked a HD Forty Eight in the Bangalore showroom, they couldn't offer him a test drive of the Forty Eight (even a start up of a customers bike) or even a Iron 883. He was offered a TD of the Street 750 which had no similarity to what my friend was purchasing. These salesmen need to know that its the people that add value to the brand by buying their product.

One the other side of the road, Lamborghini Bangalore arent too uptight about letting people into the showroom and touching their cars. I see kids in there most of the time under the surveillance of their staff ofcourse but plenty of hands have rubbed the white gallardo parked in there.

[bharat.joshi]

Hello GTO. You just mentioned the contact you got for ducati in Mumbai. May I use this number to contact the concerned gentleman on behalf of my brother? My brother has been impatiently waiting for ducati's return to India and always looks to me for news since I am part of Team-bhp.

[barcalad]

Originally Posted by Fullrevs

If thats the kind of attitude they wish to sell their bikes it will certainly not bowl over prospective customers like myself.

A friend recently booked a HD Forty Eight in the Bangalore showroom, they couldn't offer him a test drive of the Forty Eight (even a start up of a customers bike) or even a Iron 883. He was offered a TD of the Street 750 which had no similarity to what my friend was purchasing. These salesmen need to know that its the people that add value to the brand by buying their product.

One the other side of the road, Lamborghini Bangalore arent too uptight about letting people into the showroom and touching their cars. I see kids in there most of the time under the surveillance of their staff ofcourse but plenty of hands have rubbed the white gallardo parked in there.

Agreed. Not every prospective super-bike owner will arrive in a litre class motorcycle or a Jag. My friend's uncle visited the Triumph showroom in Kochi in a FZ-16. I accompanied him. A few weeks later, he exited their gates with a Tiger Explorer XC under him.

The behaviour of Tusker Harley staff amazes me. Agreed, Harley Davidson IS an international brand and is very reputable. Where are the 'international' standards in their staffs' etiquette, then? As for me, when I entered the showroom, no one even bothered looking at me or greeting me. Took me aback. It was only after I said 'Anyone here interested in selling bikes?' in a stern voice that it caught the manager's and the sales people's attention. Was offered a TD of a range of motorcycles, but my mood had turned sour by then. Left with a bunch of brochures in my hand, with a lot of damage done to my perception on Harley Davidson.

A close friend, who is a car enthusiast has visited the Lamborghini showroom here a lot of times. Apparently, the staff in the showroom are sent to Bologna for a week's training, after which they're sent to the respective showrooms. They happily allowed my friend to sit in the Aventador and start it up. Test Drive? Rs. 40000. (Can't vouch for authenticity of this information, though!)

[abhimanyu_singh]

Originally Posted by Fullrevs

If thats the kind of attitude they wish to sell their bikes it will certainly not bowl over prospective customers like myself.

A friend recently booked a HD Forty Eight in the Bangalore showroom, they couldn't offer him a test drive of the Forty Eight (even a start up of a customers bike) or even a Iron 883. He was offered a TD of the Street 750.

This is completely bizzare and highly unprofessional. During my visit at Capital Harley ggn, I not only started all the bikes in the showroom, did also try out one of the customers bike due for service as I needed to compare stock with SE sound.

Originally Posted by barcalad

The behaviour of Tusker Harley staff amazes me. Agreed, Harley Davidson IS an international brand and is very reputable. Where are the 'international' standards in their staffs' etiquette, then? As for me, when I entered the showroom, no one even bothered looking at me or greeting me.

This is quite unprofessional on their part. However my experince is limited to Capital Harley and Banjara Harley and both of them have been quite pleasent. To be fair I havent visited many luxury cars / bikes showrooms except a few. Anyway, not only was I always greeted with smiles I was always offered tea/coffee/soft drinks with the discussions. In adition there were no restrictions on TDs except for the uber expensive ones, which required some kind of deposit. I think the staff behaviour also varies at the dealership level.
PS: I drove down to the showrooms mostly in my sandals, coming out of a Polo or City.

[Fullrevs]

Originally Posted by abhimanyu_singh

This is completely bizzare and highly unprofessional. During my visit at Capital Harley ggn, I not only started all the bikes in the showroom, did also try out one of the customers bike due for service as I needed to compare stock with SE sound.

They cited reasons such as one customer put it on gear and hit another bike parked ahead.

I failed to understand why the stupidity of one other customer should reflect on anyone that walks into the showroom. The showroom needs to stock a TD bike from all ranges. Most engines are shared so even stocking a similar spec would have sufficed. These things dont happen because showrooms sell off their TD bikes to make a quicker buck.

[barcalad]

Originally Posted by abhimanyu_singh

This is quite unprofessional on their part. However my experince is limited to Capital Harley and Banjara Harley and both of them have been quite pleasent. To be fair I havent visited many luxury cars / bikes showrooms except a few. Anyway, not only was I always greeted with smiles I was always offered tea/coffee/soft drinks with the discussions. In adition there were no restrictions on TDs except for the uber expensive ones, which required some kind of deposit. I think the staff behaviour also varies at the dealership level.
PS: I drove down to the showrooms mostly in my sandals, coming out of a Polo or City.

So I've heard too. The Hyderabad and Chandigarh Harleys are considered to be one of the finest ones in India. I also agree that staff behaviour varies at dealership level vastly. Been witness to a few! I'm surprised to know that they offered tea/coffee/soft drinks. The Tusker Harley folks would probably ask you to fill out a form even if you wanted a glass of water!

[PPS]

Ducati dealership to open in Bandra, Mumbai.

http://www.motorbeam.com/2015/02/bik...coming-bandra/