[finetuning]

Dear Kailashnj,

I will sure help you once you are ready.......do PM me whenever you feel so....

Enjoy......

[extreme_torque]

Any mechanic in delhi which is competent enough to do it. Mine is a 2002 Palio 1.2 ELX.

[Ford Rocam]

Hey Kaizer sozay,

can you post larger pics cant see it clearly now the thumbnail link is invalid pls post pics of before & after groove.

thanks

[Kaizer Sozay]

Originally Posted by Ford Rocam

Hey Kaizer sozay,

can you post larger pics cant see it clearly now the thumbnail link is invalid pls post pics of before & after groove.

thanks

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You can also check out somedersinghs website for a lot of images on grooves

[flipsyde]

hey guys..... firstly finetuning & kaizer its nice to see you spreading the word about the groove theory. good job keep it up!!
u knw anyone in and around chennai who has done the the groove job?? i really want to get a hands-on experience of this thing. i currently own a 1999 model maruti 1000..... its terribly underpowered and to add to the misery i don't seem to be getting great FE either(10kmpl in city w/AC) so i thought i'l try to groove.
i mayb wrong about this but from the looks of it the groove seems to make a much better impact on a carb engine than a MPFi engine.
anyway let me know people.....

oh and for those who want to rip my head off for mentioning 10kmpl FE in city limit is poor i would seriously ask u to reconsider the fact that this is a 1000cc engine...... it should surely give me more than that.

i did think about getting rid of it but resale value is so low i might as well keep it as a spare car for daily errands.

thanks,
abhishek

[Psycho]

Originally Posted by flipsyde

i mayb wrong about this but from the looks of it the groove seems to make a much better impact on a carb engine than a MPFi engine.

Engines with 2 valves per cylinder will tend to benefit the most due to the position of the spark plug.

[flipsyde]

Originally Posted by Psycho

Engines with 2 valves per cylinder will tend to benefit the most due to the position of the spark plug.

enlightened! thanks.
by the way ur esteem-turbo looks neat.....i bet she rides like an angel too. keep up the good work!!

[vezj420]

Originally Posted by Psycho

Engines with 2 valves per cylinder will tend to benefit the most due to the position of the spark plug.

Agreed, and if u look on Mr. S. Singh's site, you'll find that most of the heads on there are 2 valve/cyl types.

Good for me, I can use them as a reference for my Ikon's head in Jan. Yup, my New Year's Resolution is to get complete cyl. head work done, including grooves! Garage of choice - RAC.

I actually talked to Mr. Somender Singh today over the phone...I must say, he's quite a character! (in a good way, too). I've been emailing him as well, so it wasn't a total surprise to him or me....

All I said was, "Sir, I'd like your guidance when I groove my engine in early '07. Unfortunately, I won't be able to come to Mysore to get it done at your place...".

After that...he didn't let me talk for almost 10 mins!! (except for a 'yes' or 'i agree' here and there) He was explaining how he's gone and shared his discovery with literally the entire world and his travails of showing people how simple it is to extract more 'good' out of your engine. The sad part was, he mentioned that folks out West (the States, for one) didn't pay too much heed to the advice and/or used it to further their designs. (A lot of cursing could be heard here) He even brought up the recent case of California car-makers counter-suing the State while refusing to mandatorily make more 'environment-friendly' vehicles.

He also then briefly went into details of his racing/rallying career in India - the man's been through a lot! And I'm sure the benefits that we see from his 'grooving theory' is only a small fraction of what the man is capable of!

Just when I thought he was going to shout at me too for being no different than all the other idiots who haven't listened to him carefully, he opened up and told me (calmly) to read into the process (grooving), explain it to my 'mechanic' (FYI - Sanjay is who I'm targeting), and after that he offered to guide us through. I was overjoyed and thanked him profusely!

Actually, I'm glad I didn't make plans to go down to Mysore, coz he said that he will soon stop his 'service' work and concentrate more on his R&D.

[flipsyde]

guys can someone PM me Mr.Singh's phone number and/or his mail id......

[finetuning]

Dear flipsyde,

Somender Singh phone number is 821-2449018.........

Also his email address is garudarad1@rediffmail.com

Dear vezj420,

Its good that you are thinking doing grooves of your own.......once you complete your project you will realise how much beneficial this simple technique is compared to so many performance modifications in terms of power and FE and emission.....also talking to Mr Singh is so beneficial....all I can say is He is Genious.....

Its so difficult to invent something related to combustion chapter as we have seen there is no major change in IC engines......in the era of tweaking engine either electronically or mechanically to improve performance only at the cost of money & emission,this technique plays important role.....i will say this is the tweaking technique to improve engine performance beyond imagination....

Few points to be taken care of before grooving

1) Its desirable to have base FE figures with whatever modifiction you have running on normal fuel that you use frequently.....

2)Have a check on your emission report i. e. PUC certificate........do check various contens of emisson before grooving....

3)You need to unplug battery terminal for resetting ECU.......the basic charecteristics of burning air fuel mixture changes so your ECU will take time ...

The main beneficial effect of a single groove is in DRIVABILITY.......there is no way any car can produce better DRIVING CHARECTERISTICS without groove.......

Enjoy....

[revvedup]

After extensive reading of somender singhs website , his patent details and this whole thread I intend to also get my 98 carb zen grooved.Where can this be done in delhi and finetuning can you please explain why the timing belt needs replacement?

[Kaizer Sozay]

Originally Posted by revvedup

After extensive reading of somender singhs website , his patent details and this whole thread I intend to also get my 98 carb zen grooved.Where can this be done in delhi and finetuning can you please explain why the timing belt needs replacement?

Wow im happy that so many t-bhpians have started showing an interest in grooving their cars.
All the best.
My car is now 5 months into grooves & i love every minute of it.

[finetuning]

Originally Posted by revvedup

After extensive reading of somender singhs website , his patent details and this whole thread I intend to also get my 98 carb zen grooved.Where can this be done in delhi and finetuning can you please explain why the timing belt needs replacement?

Dear revvedup,

we need to change timing belt because we are removing metal from the surface of engine head...........old belt might not be as effective with surfaced head.....


You will simply need a good local friendly mechanic having experience in opening engine head.......also find out machine shop where auto related work is carried out.....we need to remove few mm from engine head surface to increase compression.....

Enjoy....

[elf]

I understand that there has been a tremendous increase in the bottom end of the power / torque band. I'd like to know the difference to the top end of the engine after grooving.
1. Does the RPM it rise faster / the same / slower than before?
2. Has the max RPM possble increased / decreased?

May be off-topic:

What about grooving the Diesel engines? Did any body tried/heard of it on Diesels?

When I asked Somendersingh about it in email(1 year ago), he said that it was difficult to do that for diesels.