My Grooved Esteem FE is 14.5 Kmpl

finetuning · 3rd March 2007, 20:25

Hi Absar,,
If you have a good known mechanic then can get job done.....your mechanic need to open engine head.....if you have confidence doing little filing work then can do it yourself......

Here is what you need to do...

1)Open Engine head...
2)Take head to machine shop & remove just 1 mm precisely from head surface...
3)Clean head surface & mark boundaries with head gasket as shown else in this thread....
4)With the help of a small trianguler file start making groove pointed towards spark plug area...grooves must be pointed at both end.....width may be 2to 3 mm & 2 to 3 mm deep.....end of groove on flat head surface must be few mm away from marked surface.....
5)Head to be fitted &if needed can change timing belt.....
6)If yours mpfi car then need to open negative battery terminal during such work.....
7)If everything is fine then its ready to roar......feel the difference at low as well as at high end....

If you have auto machine shop nearby then it can be quickly done else needs two days....

Wait for Somender Singhs reply else can call him...he will guide you...

Enjoy....

Absar · 3rd March 2007, 21:00

Hello finetuning, thank you so much for the instructions. I will try to wait for Mr.Somender Singh's reply or else I will try to go ahead with the instructions you've given. I did find one good mechanic and I'm very close to finding a machine shop that will shave the surface of the engine head. And what about those parts that have to be purchased? Some posts were there that new parts have to be put in like gaskets etc..?

Btw

, I've been wondering.. If I have a grooved engine, will Ford not agree to service it or make up a conflict cos the engine has been grooved..? The car isn't having a warranty. I hate the warranty anyway.

By chance, after grooving will the top speed reduce?

Kaizer Sozay · 4th March 2007, 19:32

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Originally Posted by Absar

Hello? This thread gone silent now..? I mailed Mr.Singh and I'm waiting for his reply regarding the grooving steps. I'm actually a bit impatient to do it for my Ikon 1.6. Btw, does this grooving job take a long time liek 3 - 4 days including the head removal, shaving, polishing/lapping, grooving and fixing the head back or is it possible in a single day? I might be travelling on a 800+ km trip next week (7/3/07-9/3/07) and I want to do it with a grooved engine.

You can find the images here of the process when i did it on my car.

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...-5-kmpl-3.html

One day would be a very tight squeeze coz it takes atleast 2-3 hours to open the head. I wouldnt advise you to rush your mechanic to do the job hurriedly as it requires a lot of precision. A little extra twist ca ncreate a major problem.

Absar · 5th March 2007, 14:10

Hello. I got a reply from Mr.Singh.

His mail was:
Thank Q ! AM,
There is enough and more on the net ~ Do a google search for Somender Singh ~ You will see it all !

Me doing it will be time consuming & expensieve ? Read " Silent Power " in my website ~ Under ~ My Thinking New ! You will understand it better !
All the best !
sing !!!
==================

So I referred that page he mentioned.. http://somender-singh.com/content/view/99/52/

And it is mentioned that it is going to cost around Rs.13-14,000. Is it really going to cost that much? Kaizer did it on his zen, and that's a maruti, so the spares would be priced less. But I want to do it on my Ford, and aren't Ford spares way high in terms of price? I'm confused now. I kept a budget for 5k for this grooving. Is it going to exceed that 5k???

Kaizer Sozay · 5th March 2007, 16:46

The cost of shaving the head is hardly 500rs, The file for making the groove is just 50rs.

The main costs is of the gaskets and oil seals. And the cost of the mechanic as it is a very labour intensive job.

Absar · 5th March 2007, 20:34

Aha! Well, what are the spares to be collected prior to grooving? I mean for the car. Gaskets..inlet,exhaust,headgaskets,O range , oil seals? This is all to be collected?

Kaizer Sozay · 6th March 2007, 11:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Absar

Aha! Well, what are the spares to be collected prior to grooving? I mean for the car. Gaskets..inlet,exhaust,headgaskets,O range , oil seals? This is all to be collected?

Speak to your mechanic, you will need a head gasket also inlet and exhaust gasket, then some o rings. the totat spares costed me around 4500

Absar · 6th March 2007, 19:28

Ah okay Kaizer. Will check up with my mechanic. I hope I dont have to pay so much. However, the 6 months service is due on the 18th of this month. I think I will have it serviced first and then will do the grooving.

archat68 · 8th April 2007, 21:31

i think i'll go for a grooving for my '99 Carb Zen. how much to shave for the carb zen?

Kaizer Sozay · 9th April 2007, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by archat68

i think i'll go for a grooving for my '99 Carb Zen. how much to shave for the carb zen?

Shaving the head hardly costs 500rs.

swathyd · 16th April 2007, 02:00

Can it be done on a palio 1.6 ltr engine.

finetuning · 17th April 2007, 01:10

Hi swathy,

Grooves can be done on any cars having some flat surface on engine head....now most of engine manufacturer have more or less same design so I expect "Quench Pad' or flat surface to be there on almost every engine.....also benefits are not limited to old generation 2 valve per cylinder cars...infact this can be done on any IC engine...

Enjoy.....

finetuning · 25th April 2007, 02:23

Planning to groove 2 Bikes next week.....Pulsar 150 and Fiero F2......both bike treated with boric acid & showing superb power ....both bikes bottom end torque is excellent.Also Pulsar 150 is returning consistantly 60+ (actually 62) FE consistantly...

I expect more power & rise in FE after grooving.

Enjoy....

Ravi Yadav · 25th April 2007, 12:55

Hi Finetuning,
Planning to groove my m800. How should i proceed .Should i use the same procedure you explained to Absar.

finetuning · 26th April 2007, 12:50

Hi Ravi,

Good to see you taking interest in grooves....you can follow simple instructions or can pm me for more details......I will help you to get it done on your machine...

Enjoy..

3rd March 2007, 20:25	#136
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	Hi Absar,, If you have a good known mechanic then can get job done.....your mechanic need to open engine head.....if you have confidence doing little filing work then can do it yourself...... Here is what you need to do... 1)Open Engine head... 2)Take head to machine shop & remove just 1 mm precisely from head surface... 3)Clean head surface & mark boundaries with head gasket as shown else in this thread.... 4)With the help of a small trianguler file start making groove pointed towards spark plug area...grooves must be pointed at both end.....width may be 2to 3 mm & 2 to 3 mm deep.....end of groove on flat head surface must be few mm away from marked surface..... 5)Head to be fitted &if needed can change timing belt..... 6)If yours mpfi car then need to open negative battery terminal during such work..... 7)If everything is fine then its ready to roar......feel the difference at low as well as at high end.... If you have auto machine shop nearby then it can be quickly done else needs two days.... Wait for Somender Singhs reply else can call him...he will guide you... Enjoy....
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3rd March 2007, 21:00	#137
Absar BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Madras Posts: 560 Thanked: 10 Times View My Garage	Hello finetuning, thank you so much for the instructions. I will try to wait for Mr.Somender Singh's reply or else I will try to go ahead with the instructions you've given. I did find one good mechanic and I'm very close to finding a machine shop that will shave the surface of the engine head. And what about those parts that have to be purchased? Some posts were there that new parts have to be put in like gaskets etc..? Btw , I've been wondering.. If I have a grooved engine, will Ford not agree to service it or make up a conflict cos the engine has been grooved..? The car isn't having a warranty. I hate the warranty anyway. By chance, after grooving will the top speed reduce? Last edited by aah78 : 3rd March 2007 at 23:43.
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5th March 2007, 14:10	#139
Absar BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Madras Posts: 560 Thanked: 10 Times View My Garage	Hello. I got a reply from Mr.Singh. His mail was: Thank Q ! AM, There is enough and more on the net ~ Do a google search for Somender Singh ~ You will see it all ! Me doing it will be time consuming & expensieve ? Read " Silent Power " in my website ~ Under ~ My Thinking New ! You will understand it better ! All the best ! sing !!! ================== So I referred that page he mentioned.. http://somender-singh.com/content/view/99/52/ And it is mentioned that it is going to cost around Rs.13-14,000. Is it really going to cost that much? Kaizer did it on his zen, and that's a maruti, so the spares would be priced less. But I want to do it on my Ford, and aren't Ford spares way high in terms of price? I'm confused now. I kept a budget for 5k for this grooving. Is it going to exceed that 5k???
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5th March 2007, 16:46	#140
Kaizer Sozay BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 333 Thanked: 7 Times View My Garage	The cost of shaving the head is hardly 500rs, The file for making the groove is just 50rs. The main costs is of the gaskets and oil seals. And the cost of the mechanic as it is a very labour intensive job.
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5th March 2007, 20:34	#141
Absar BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Madras Posts: 560 Thanked: 10 Times View My Garage	Aha! Well, what are the spares to be collected prior to grooving? I mean for the car. Gaskets..inlet,exhaust,headgaskets,O range , oil seals? This is all to be collected?
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6th March 2007, 19:28	#143
Absar BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Madras Posts: 560 Thanked: 10 Times View My Garage	Ah okay Kaizer. Will check up with my mechanic. I hope I dont have to pay so much. However, the 6 months service is due on the 18th of this month. I think I will have it serviced first and then will do the grooving.
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8th April 2007, 21:31	#144
archat68 BHPian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kolkata Posts: 905 Thanked: 642 Times	i think i'll go for a grooving for my '99 Carb Zen. how much to shave for the carb zen?
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16th April 2007, 02:00	#146
swathyd BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: thiruvananthapuram Posts: 774 Thanked: 26 Times	Can it be done on a palio 1.6 ltr engine.
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17th April 2007, 01:10	#147
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	Hi swathy, Grooves can be done on any cars having some flat surface on engine head....now most of engine manufacturer have more or less same design so I expect "Quench Pad' or flat surface to be there on almost every engine.....also benefits are not limited to old generation 2 valve per cylinder cars...infact this can be done on any IC engine... Enjoy.....
	() Thanks

25th April 2007, 02:23	#148
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	Planning to groove 2 Bikes next week.....Pulsar 150 and Fiero F2......both bike treated with boric acid & showing superb power ....both bikes bottom end torque is excellent.Also Pulsar 150 is returning consistantly 60+ (actually 62) FE consistantly... I expect more power & rise in FE after grooving. Enjoy....
	() Thanks

25th April 2007, 12:55	#149
Ravi Yadav BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: UP-15 Posts: 146 Thanked: 12 Times	Hi Finetuning, Planning to groove my m800. How should i proceed .Should i use the same procedure you explained to Absar.
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26th April 2007, 12:50	#150
finetuning BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 394 Thanked: 20 Times	Hi Ravi, Good to see you taking interest in grooves....you can follow simple instructions or can pm me for more details......I will help you to get it done on your machine... Enjoy..
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