[xodus99]

Hi everyone. Quick question. I just finished the first service of my Baleno 2022 new model. The manual recommends 0w16 oil but thr SVC didn't have it. They recommended 5w40 or 5w30. I told them the manual recommends 0w16, SVC advisor said they don't have that oil. This is kinda surprising since manual says one thing and these people are suggesting whatever they want, moreover, the product itself is unavailable! I went with the 5w40 option since it was 3.5k for 3.5L opposed to 7.5k for the other option. What is the ideal thing to do in such situations? I started research on this after this experience.

Is the 5w40 good for the new K12N series engine? What should I do?

[zeng]

Originally Posted by xodus99

Hi everyone. Quick question. I just finished the first service of my Baleno 2022 new model. The manual recommends 0w16 oil but thr SVC didn't have it. They recommended 5w40 or 5w30. I told them the manual recommends 0w16, SVC advisor said they don't have that oil. This is kinda surprising since manual says one thing and these people are suggesting whatever they want, moreover, the product itself is unavailable! I went with the 5w40 option since it was 3.5k for 3.5L opposed to 7.5k for the other option. What is the ideal thing to do in such situations? I started research on this after this experience.

Is the 5w40 good for the new K12N series engine? What should I do?

It provides thicker oil film thickness at the expense of marginal drop of fuel economy, if perceptible by owner.

I wouldn't worry about it.

[audioholic]

Originally Posted by xodus99

Hi everyone. Quick question. I just finished the first service of my Baleno 2022 new model. The manual recommends 0w16 oil but thr SVC didn't have it. They recommended 5w40 or 5w30. I told them the manual recommends 0w16, SVC advisor said they don't have that oil.
Is the 5w40 good for the new K12N series engine? What should I do?

Thats just the service center being ignorant. Raise a complaint with Maruti if you have the bill with the oil grade mentioned. Not having the oil is not an excuse to deviate from what the manufacturer has recommended especially for a new vehicle which is under warranty and being serviced by the authorised service center.

[Gansan]

Originally Posted by xodus99

Hi everyone. Quick question. I just finished the first service of my Baleno 2022 new model. The manual recommends 0w16 oil but thr SVC didn't have it. They recommended 5w40 or 5w30. I told them the manual recommends 0w16, SVC advisor said they don't have that oil. This is kinda surprising since manual says one thing and these people are suggesting whatever they want, moreover, the product itself is unavailable! I went with the 5w40 option since it was 3.5k for 3.5L opposed to 7.5k for the other option. What is the ideal thing to do in such situations? I started research on this after this experience.

Is the 5w40 good for the new K12N series engine? What should I do?

Buy the recommended grade of oil from outside, take it to the same service centre and ask them to change the oil by completely draining out the other oil. Change the oil filter too. If you get a service call from Maruti rate these fellows as zero. That will escalate matters pretty quickly. If you don't get a call, make a complaint to Maruti, it will have the same effect.

Don't compromise.

[rakesh_r]

Originally Posted by Sail

Dear Members,

A friend of mine recently purchased a pre-owned 2015 Wagon-R, VXi AMT.

Car user manual is missing.

Appreciate if any member can highlight correct engine oil grade for this model.

Thanks in advance
Sail

Originally Posted by Leoshashi

When in doubt, always follow the owners manual. Your WagonR has the K10B, whereas starting from 2014, cars have been getting K-Next engines(WagonR got K-Next sometime in October 2014 IIRC).

They have made some changes like short skirt pistons, Molybdenum coated piston walls, some changes in head design etc, and have then changed the oil to 0w20 grade for increased fuel efficiency.

Since your car's engine is still the older one, I'd recommend you to use 5w30 only.

Also don't take those last two charts too seriously. They do have some errors as I have pointed out. WRT maintenance schedule, follow your owners manual.



The maximum benefit you can get is improved fuel efficiency, and a light feeling engine. But I won't recommend it as some people have also reported rough sounding engines, and too much blow by. So let 0w20 for new engines which have those changes.

BHPian Audioholic too had a similar doubt, and I had explained a similar thing to him. Request you to check the video here: http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/techni...ml#post4207791

Regards,
Shashi

Answer to your query, I was in a similar dilemma, but Shashi's reply has cleared the confusion.

[xodus99]

Originally Posted by audioholic

Thats just the service center being ignorant. Raise a complaint with Maruti if you have the bill with the oil grade mentioned. Not having the oil is not an excuse to deviate from what the manufacturer has recommended especially for a new vehicle which is under warranty and being serviced by the authorised service center.

Thank you @audioholic. I escalated this and spoke to the GM service here. He understood and promptly got the oil changed.

I also told him I want to see the 0w16 oil before you put it - they acknowledged that and the change happened in front of me.

I also asked him for a refund of the difference since 0w16 is only 1580 something and the 5w40 was 3800. He acknowledged that too and will be issuing a credit note soon.

Thank you for guiding me in the right direction guys.

I must also point out the excellent way that NEXA managed this. They were very prompt. The GM told me he's going to take a meeting and educate the service advisors about oil change. Overall, the experience was excellent.

[bobbyblr]

Why can't Maruti Suzuki mention all the fluids (Engine oil, Transmission oil, Brake oil & Coolant) that needs to be replaced in the owners manual or with a sticker inside the engine bay. Like the one below (Credit: ChrisFix)

It should have all the details such as the SAE Viscosity of the oil to be used along with the API Certification, quantity to be used (including oil filter) and the change interval (both in kms & year). This will clear the confusion for both the owner as well as the mechanic.

Service manual mention all these details but the quantity to be used for the engine oil is more as draining the engine oil from the drain bolt will clear only 80% to 90% of the engine oil and the remaining will still be there inside the oil galleries.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by bobbyblr

Why can't Maruti Suzuki mention all the fluids (Engine oil, Transmission oil, Brake oil & Coolant) that needs to be replaced in the owners manual or with a sticker inside the engine bay. Like the one below (Credit: ChrisFix)

It should have all the details such as the SAE Viscosity of the oil to be used along with the API Certification, quantity to be used (including oil filter) and the change interval (both in kms & year). This will clear the confusion for both the owner as well as the mechanic.

Here is the relevant information for Gypsy King 1.3 Mpfi

[PSM_360]

Hi, I was checking MGO 5W-30 Castrol oil. It says API SG+. It specifically mentions for Maruti cars equipped with K-Series engines.
https://boodmo.com/catalog/part-engi..._mgo-58253693/
AFAIK, SG is quite an old API spec for 90s vehicles like F-series engines. What is API SG+? What is '+' in it and how is it suitable for K-series engines which are very recent engines.

[MT_Hyderabad]

Originally Posted by PSM_360

Hi, I was checking MGO 5W-30 Castrol oil. It says API SG+. It specifically mentions for Maruti cars equipped with K-Series engines.
https://boodmo.com/catalog/part-engi..._mgo-58253693/
AFAIK, SG is quite an old API spec for 90s vehicles like F-series engines. What is API SG+? What is '+' in it and how is it suitable for K-series engines which are very recent engines.

Although SG+ specification does not exist as per API, but I believe that this is a crude way of communicating with customers that this oil meets requirements of Maruti engines that recommend SG or higher grades.

This was also mentioned on my 2008 Santro Owner's manual but they chose to write a few words rather than the sign +, which made it clear that we can use any grade above SG.

What they should understand is that writing something on the Owner's Manual is something and on the oil can is another thing.

SG+ on the oil can makes it confusing and someone may pour this oil in a BS6 compliant engine.

Apologies for the poor image quality, it is downloaded from the internet.

[babukvishnu]

Why are Maruti Dealer Service centers reluctant to carry out oil changes with the customer supplied oil especially after the vehicle is out of warranty period? i wanted to opt for Mobil1 5w-40 oil for my Baleno Ddis but the service center is adamant that they wont permit any customer supplied oil. They regularly fill the Mobil super 3000 5w-40 grade oil. Whether any intervention by the MSIL customer care would be of any use?

[Gupts007]

Originally Posted by babukvishnu

Why are Maruti Dealer Service centers reluctant to carry out oil changes with the customer supplied oil especially after the vehicle is out of warranty period? i wanted to opt for Mobil1 5w-40 oil for my Baleno Ddis but the service center is adamant that they wont permit any customer supplied oil. They regularly fill the Mobil super 3000 5w-40 grade oil. Whether any intervention by the MSIL customer care would be of any use?

I have almost always supplied my own oil at the time of service at the Nexa service centre. They haven't denied me from using my own oil which is always Mobil 1

[babukvishnu]

Originally Posted by Gupts007

I have almost always supplied my own oil at the time of service at the Nexa service centre. They haven't denied me from using my own oil which is always Mobil 1

Do they make any special remarks in the service bill such as "customer supplied oil" ? Next time I plan to escalate it to MSIL customer care for permitting me to carry in my choice of oil.

[Gupts007]

Originally Posted by audioholic

Ordered a 3.5L can of Total Quartz 0W20 oil from Amazon instead. MGP stores are also so incompetent that they dont know which grade of oil needs to be used for which model.
Apart from Total Quartz I saw castrol magnatec, Idemitsu and Shell on Amazon but Total was rated API SP so wanted to try if there is a difference.

What are your views on the 0w20 Total Quartz 9000? I am myself in a dilemma about choosing the engine oil for my Baleno 2022 for the 10k service. I always get the Mobil 1 for all my vehicles but 0w20 is not available on Amazon without paying crazy sums of money. So I narrowed down to Quartz or Helix.

[audioholic]

Originally Posted by Gupts007

What are your views on the 0w20 Total Quartz 9000? I am myself in a dilemma about choosing the engine oil for my Baleno 2022 for the 10k service. I always get the Mobil 1 for all my vehicles but 0w20 is not available on Amazon without paying crazy sums of money. So I narrowed down to Quartz or Helix.

To be honest I havent driven the Celerio much in a long time to be able to comment on this. I have driven it once or twice in the last few months and was not able to perceive any difference from earlier. I think Shell 0W20 should be available both in MGP and non MGP avatar since I got one 3.5L can for my Slavia a few months ago. Thats something I have used from a long time and is better than the MGP Castrol oil that dealerships usually fill. But between Shell and Total I am not in a position to speak about the differences.