Under-revving on my Baleno

v1p3r · 14th May 2007, 12:16

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Originally Posted by mclaren1885

1. First the revvs starting dropping because my clutch was totally burnt .. It couldn't transfer the power to the wheels ..

If your clutch was totally burnt, the revs wouldn't drop, would they? Wouldn't they instead climb, without any corresponding increase in speed?

mclaren1885 · 14th May 2007, 14:10

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Originally Posted by v1p3r

If your clutch was totally burnt, the revs wouldn't drop, would they? Wouldn't they instead climb, without any corresponding increase in speed?

Theoretically yes .. But the car wouldn't traverse further .. The minute I stepped on the A pedal and slip the clutch it would not transfer power to the wheels and the revvs were dropping .. Had to tow the car back to get the cutch replacement done ..

Steeroid · 14th May 2007, 15:43

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Originally Posted by v1p3r

If your clutch was totally burnt, the revs wouldn't drop, would they? Wouldn't they instead climb, without any corresponding increase in speed?

If its overheated, the clutch wont release even if you press the pedal, right? It will just stick together?

What you describe is true for worn out plates.

Psycho · 14th May 2007, 16:07

Only reason something like this can happen is due to a clogged air filter, another thing I would reccomend is that you keep the car above 1500 rpm in any gear when you drive.

Samurai · 14th May 2007, 16:07

Back to the topic, guys.

Today afternoon I decided to visit the service center. As I turned into the main road which has about 10 degree gradient, the Baleno started struggling to take it at 2nd gear. This was much worse than yesterday. Suddenly, I had doubts about reaching the service center which is 8 Kms away. I had to turn off AC in 2nd gear to climb a hill I usually do in 4th gear with AC. After many such close calls(to shutdown) I finally managed to reach the Maruti dealer/service center.

After hearing the trouble, the service adviser (SA) wanted a test drive. He took the driver seat, turned on the engine in neutral. He tried revving in neutral, he could never take it beyond 3.5K and idle remained around 500. Then he said he won't need the test drive, the problem is apparent. He also wondered how I made it all the way to the service station.

He suspects 3 things, it is either bad fuel, air intake blocked or current/electrical. He is going to get back once he completes the diagnostics.

Psycho · 14th May 2007, 16:10

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Originally Posted by Samurai

After hearing the trouble, the service adviser (SA) wanted a test drive. He took the driver seat, turned on the engine in neutral. He tried revving in neutral, he could never take it beyond 3.5K and idle remained around 500. Then he said he won't need the test drive, the problem is apparent. He also wondered how I made it all the way to the service station.

He suspects 3 things, it is either bad fuel, air intake blocked or current/electrical. He is going to get back once he completes the diagnostics.

I would also assume it is either the air filter or the ECU is in limp mode somehow. Let us see the outcome.

Jaggu · 14th May 2007, 16:25

Air filter, clogged fuel lines or water in fuel?

mclaren1885 · 14th May 2007, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Psycho

I would also assume it is either the air filter or the ECU is in limp mode somehow. Let us see the outcome.

, but a malfunctioning MIL ??

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Samurai · 14th May 2007, 16:47

It is K&N stock exchange filter, just completed 2 years. But I have only done 16K on my car until now in relatively dust free environment.

Jaggu · 14th May 2007, 20:01

16 k kms is boderline, i know K&N and have used it but even for a city like Bangalore i felt cleaning was necessary at around 10 to 15 k kms?

what say K&N experts?

Again i have one buddy who is using K&N OE replacement in his OHC and covered more than 40k kms, recently he feels the car is not pulling well and a slight drop in FE.

roms · 14th May 2007, 20:20

Could this be the ignition coil? A similar thing happened to my car recently. But in my case, the engine revs were dropping to around 500 rpm only after driving for some time.The injector malfunction lamp would come on.The car was losing all its power and it felt as if the engine was running on just 3 cylinders.However, the ECU diagnosis should point out the problem.

rjstyles69 · 14th May 2007, 22:20

Samurai I would recommend you have the air filter cleaned 1st.
Had faced an issue with acceleration a few days back whilst driving to coorg.

I use a conical filter on my baleno, car had done only 6k kms with the filter. When I got it cleaned there was quite a bit of dust which had settled in.
I presume 16k is a bit on the higher side and its high time that you get it cleaned.

Got the throttle body also cleaned and the car runs perfectly fine now.

Samurai · 14th May 2007, 22:43

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Originally Posted by rjstyles69

I use a conical filter on my baleno, car had done only 6k kms with the filter. When I got it cleaned there was quite a bit of dust which had settled in.
I presume 16k is a bit on the higher side and its high time that you get it cleaned.

The K&N is supposed to be good for 70,000 Kms before every cleaning, and 40,000 Kms in dusty conditions. So why 16K is on the high side?

Anyway, the car already at Maruti service center. I'll know the cause tomorrow.

esteem_lover · 14th May 2007, 23:16

Most probably it is an electrical thing. it could not be the air filter as i had said earlier simply for the reasons quoted above.

But no way it can be the clutch since samurai does not race or abuse his car, how could the clutch burn so early ?

theMAG · 14th May 2007, 23:21

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Originally Posted by Samurai

The K&N is supposed to be good for 70,000 Kms before every cleaning, and 40,000 Kms in dusty conditions. So why 16K is on the high side?

Samurai - I've been instructed by my K&N guy to get my Swift's stock replacement K&N cleaned every 13000 kms. I would suggest not to wait till 40k kms to get yours cleaned

14th May 2007, 16:07	#19
Psycho Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,041 Thanked: 111 Times View My Garage	Only reason something like this can happen is due to a clogged air filter, another thing I would reccomend is that you keep the car above 1500 rpm in any gear when you drive.
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14th May 2007, 16:07	#20
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 26,014 Thanked: 49,875 Times View My Garage	Back to the topic, guys. Today afternoon I decided to visit the service center. As I turned into the main road which has about 10 degree gradient, the Baleno started struggling to take it at 2nd gear. This was much worse than yesterday. Suddenly, I had doubts about reaching the service center which is 8 Kms away. I had to turn off AC in 2nd gear to climb a hill I usually do in 4th gear with AC. After many such close calls(to shutdown) I finally managed to reach the Maruti dealer/service center. After hearing the trouble, the service adviser (SA) wanted a test drive. He took the driver seat, turned on the engine in neutral. He tried revving in neutral, he could never take it beyond 3.5K and idle remained around 500. Then he said he won't need the test drive, the problem is apparent. He also wondered how I made it all the way to the service station. He suspects 3 things, it is either bad fuel, air intake blocked or current/electrical. He is going to get back once he completes the diagnostics.
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14th May 2007, 16:25	#22
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,384 Thanked: 17,299 Times	Air filter, clogged fuel lines or water in fuel?
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14th May 2007, 16:47	#24
Samurai Team-BHP Support Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bangalore/Udupi Posts: 26,014 Thanked: 49,875 Times View My Garage	It is K&N stock exchange filter, just completed 2 years. But I have only done 16K on my car until now in relatively dust free environment.
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14th May 2007, 20:01	#25
Jaggu Team-BHP Support Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bangalore Posts: 20,384 Thanked: 17,299 Times	16 k kms is boderline, i know K&N and have used it but even for a city like Bangalore i felt cleaning was necessary at around 10 to 15 k kms? what say K&N experts? Again i have one buddy who is using K&N OE replacement in his OHC and covered more than 40k kms, recently he feels the car is not pulling well and a slight drop in FE.
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14th May 2007, 20:20	#26
roms BHPian Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Mumbai Posts: 641 Thanked: 27 Times	Could this be the ignition coil? A similar thing happened to my car recently. But in my case, the engine revs were dropping to around 500 rpm only after driving for some time.The injector malfunction lamp would come on.The car was losing all its power and it felt as if the engine was running on just 3 cylinders.However, the ECU diagnosis should point out the problem. Last edited by roms : 14th May 2007 at 20:23.
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14th May 2007, 22:20	#27
rjstyles69 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bengalooru.. Posts: 4,344 Thanked: 845 Times View My Garage	Samurai I would recommend you have the air filter cleaned 1st. Had faced an issue with acceleration a few days back whilst driving to coorg. I use a conical filter on my baleno, car had done only 6k kms with the filter. When I got it cleaned there was quite a bit of dust which had settled in. I presume 16k is a bit on the higher side and its high time that you get it cleaned. Got the throttle body also cleaned and the car runs perfectly fine now.
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14th May 2007, 23:16	#29
esteem_lover Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Madras/Py Posts: 7,556 Thanked: 513 Times View My Garage	Most probably it is an electrical thing. it could not be the air filter as i had said earlier simply for the reasons quoted above. But no way it can be the clutch since samurai does not race or abuse his car, how could the clutch burn so early ?
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