[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by Shan2nu

What are you saying dude. Once you say the OHC feels light and takes off at 145kmph and then you say it's boring coz it's too easy to drive and very predictable. How can a car be predictable and boring, if it's barely touching the ground?

U seem to be contradicting your own statements.



The only one who religiously gets his Ikon on track is Nitrous and i don't rem anyone laughing at him or his driving. I dunno what made you think so (unless you had a bad experience when you drove on track).

Shan2nu

shantanu: sorry i was dramatizing by imagining myself driving on track, i meant i would rather be in an iKOn on track than in OHC, my track exp is limited to some few laps on an esteem.

OHC flight at 145 not exciting according to me, just plain vague, and am not gonna justify anymore with this. why am i getting drawn to some silly arguments lol am happy with my swift and i really dont care the honda fan fare and trust me i have done enough kms in that car to realize that

so chill and continue the debate.. loggin off now have more excitement planned for the evening and weekend.. tata

[Shan2nu]

Vtec vs Baleno - Decided
OHC 1.5 vs Baleno - Undecided (due to lack of test data)

I think this thread has pretty much reached it's saturation point. There can't possibly be any posts adding to the information that already exists. So mods, please close this thread.

Shan2nu

[cheap_deal]

so the VTEC fanboys win this round eh?

[supremeBaleno]

Originally Posted by diabloo

Not yet proven. For OHC vs Baleno, we need a new thread.

Actually if you go by the following on the other thread, it looks like this is proven too. See below. Though could not reach the link.

Originally Posted by balenopower

"..... there is nothing to beat the Baleno for no-nonsense transportation and in the Indian context, well, it beat the City 1.5 in a straight drag in our comparison test. here's the link
http://www.bsmotoring.com/2002/02apr18_3.htm

Originally Posted by Shan2nu

It's as simple as this.
1) Vtec is faster than the Baleno.
2) but, the Baleno is faster than the City 1.5

[anachronix]

How about the Ikon 1.6!?

I have taken down couple of VTECs while driving between the Chennai-Bangalore NH.

Well that depends on the guys who drives the VTEC still... I am a little anxious to know the comparision on a 1/4mile...

Ikon has very good low range and i feel that has been a big plus (IMHO) whenever i was next to a VTEC...

[BlackPearl]

Originally Posted by cheap_deal

so the VTEC fanboys win this round eh?

this was quite obvious given the advantage in power. I had a doubt in my mind only because I had the understanding that the vtec was not able to reach hundred in 2nd gear while the baleno can. thats why I had thought that maybe Baleno had a slight advantage to the ton. beyond that it was quite obvious unless honda had made a blunder like hyundai did with their accent 1.6 . but the members have already explained why vtec still has an advantage over baleno. so that pretty much clears up the doubt. three cheers to vtec.

[planet_rocker]

Originally Posted by supremeBaleno

Actually if you go by the following on the other thread, it looks like this is proven too. See below. Though could not reach the link.

BP - the link is somehow not working :( can you provide the correct link?

Edit: oops! you also mentioned the same thing. you guys can ignore this post.

[RX135]

Since there is lot of emphasis on "17 Ultimate performance car test" done by OD, I have a question. The test was done on a flat straight track. So, the test tells us which is fastest car in straight line.

But it wouldn't tell anything about how well the car would fare in ghats, where you need low end torque or, twisting roads where handling matters more than straight line acceleration. I think, this is where cars like Ikon (or even diesel Octavia TDI) come into picture, though they may not be rated as high as others. More fun in day-to-day city or highway driving.

Afterall, driving is not all about drag race.

[doomsday]

Originally Posted by anachronix

How about the Ikon 1.6!?

I have taken down couple of VTECs while driving between the Chennai-Bangalore NH.

Well that depends on the guys who drives the VTEC still... I am a little anxious to know the comparision on a 1/4mile...

Ikon has very good low range and i feel that has been a big plus (IMHO) whenever i was next to a VTEC...

There you go again...

Originally Posted by RX135

Since there is lot of emphasis on "17 Ultimate performance car test" done by OD, I have a question. The test was done on a flat straight track. So, the test tells us which is fastest car in straight line.

But it wouldn't tell anything about how well the car would fare in ghats, where you need low end torque or, twisting roads where handling matters more than straight line acceleration. I think, this is where cars like Ikon (or even diesel Octavia TDI) come into picture, though they may not be rated as high as others. More fun in day-to-day city or highway driving.

Afterall, driving is not all about drag race.

All you need to answer your question is come to some track-days happening this side and see some live action and timings.

[chetanhanda]

.. too tempting just cant help posting -

I usually would compare cars of the same cc in stock form to see which is a better engine if we are talking 0-100:
1] 1.6 baleno with 1.6 palio gtx and 1.6 ikon
2] 1.5 OHC, 1.5 OHC(Vtec) with the 1.5 lancer
2] 1.3 esteem with 1.3 OHC and 1.3 swift etc, (if there is a 1.3 ikon ? also)

Its nice to see that the 1.5 OHC(non vtec head) manages to keep up with the bigger 1.6 baleno and is not that far behind and the 1.5 vtec beats the 1.6 baleno..

All the "anti-vtec" fanboys can read the following and please not pass any silly remarks like "vtec" is boring etc etc coz they missed the point anyways ..
A 1.5 vtec beats the 1.6 litre baleno is a nice example.
This is what a Vtec is designed to do - good power + good mileage for a given engine capacity - dual nature of the engine
(just thinking what if the OHC (vtec/non vtec) was also 1.6 then we would have had better results)



But if it makes the Baleno owners happy they can beat a 1.5 non vtec ..please enjoy yourself guys and have a party you have earned a well deserved victory coz you have 100 cc more

[chetanhanda]

Originally Posted by mclaren1885

Firstly, the Vtec is way quicker to the ton and 1/4 mile when compared to the Suzi. Also while comparing the two cars one must also keep in mind that there is a difference of 12bhp or 15bhp depending on E-II or E-III balenos. This difference is a hell lot when compared on bone stock cars. Which obviously shows in the end results.

Also one needs to consider the fact that the Vtec revvs to 7100 rpm while the Baleno revvs to 6500 or 6750 (depending on versions) minus the Vtec (which plays a significant role in the way it revvs). Plus the taller gear ratios on the Baleno doesn't always translate to better power delivery as well.

If both cars are to be measured on an even keel what one will have to do is get a higher cam profile for the Baleno to make up for the Vtec advantage, change the intake and make the Baleno revv to 7,100 as well. All this with the Vtec being stock. Only then would it be a fair comparo.
Atleast to a certain extent. Even then the Vtec would still be in a advantageous position.

If a hardcore Baleno fan says this then there is nothing more to argue,
appreciate mclaren's analysis
Also what do feel about the 1.5 non vtec ? does it keep up/match the 1.6 Baleno ? mclaren dude whats ur opinion on this ?

[hellspawn]

to understand what this thread is about please listen to this song by System of a down,called cigaro...pay attention to the first two lines...or probably go through the entire lyrics.

[nitroxx]

Simple words...Vtec in..Baleno out ....Baleno in...city there..

[BlackPearl]

Originally Posted by nitroxx

Simple words...Vtec in..Baleno out ....Baleno in...city there..

amazing conclusion at middle of the night... thou art genius

[IronWolf]

I think we all agree that the Vtec has the advantage over the Baleno.
being a Baleno owner I will take a bow to the great Vtec.

Can we move on to the OHC 1.5EXi?

Can someone add on to this

Originally Posted by balenopower
"..... there is nothing to beat the Baleno for no-nonsense transportation and in the Indian context, well, it beat the City 1.5 in a straight drag in our comparison test. here's the link

To be fair, even though the City 1.5 is 100bhp and the Baleno is 91/94bhp
Baleno has the advantage. (I know I know bhp aint everything)