[MT_Hyderabad]

I recently opted for 195/60 R 15 Perfinza for my Ciaz. The stock size was 185/65 R 15.

Truly dissappointed with the purchase. The tyres are noisy above 100 km/hr. A performance tyre should have kept this aspect in mind. 120 km/hr is allowed in my daily commute.
Moreover, they made the ride sluggish; may be due to upsize. Marginal difference in comfort. Only face saving is less road noise in city driving conditions.

The main reason why I bought them were to improve the ride quality, which deteriorated a lot due to age of the old ones. The old ones had tread left for another 5 k kms at least. Alas! the ride quality did not improve significantly.

Price of the tyre is INR 5700/tyre in Hyderabad. Alignment, Valves etc are negotiable.

It is difficult to get a recently manufactured tyre of this spec here, I now came to know why!

[sumeethaldankar]

Originally Posted by MT_Hyderabad

Moreover, they made the ride sluggish; may be due to upsize. Marginal difference in comfort. Only face saving is less road noise in city driving conditions.

The sluggishness is expected since you have upsized the tyre. Did you try by bumping up the tyre pressure by a psi or two and see if there is any difference?

[itwasntme]

A few thoughts:

1. What brand did you have earlier? I'm guessing Apollo or CEAT?
2. Have they been fitted correctly? Perfinzas are directional/asymmetrical tyres and they must be fitted with the 'outside' edge and direction correctly.
3. How many kilometres on the new tyres? Let them scrub in for 500-1000 km and then revaluate. Again, try both upping and lowering the pressure. Try both and see.

I'm guessing you're on the HYD ORR which is anyway a bit noisy on many sections. I'm sure you'll find the sweet spot shortly.

[MT_Hyderabad]

Originally Posted by sumeethaldankar

The sluggishness is expected since you have upsized the tyre. Did you try by bumping up the tyre pressure by a psi or two and see if there is any difference?

Thanks, will try. The tyres seems to have less pressure visually. I had filled 35 psi at the moment. Filling more will reduce ride quality further, which I don't want.

Originally Posted by itwasntme

A few thoughts:

1. What brand did you have earlier? I'm guessing Apollo or CEAT?
2. Have they been fitted correctly? Perfinzas are directional/asymmetrical tyres and they must be fitted with the 'outside' edge and direction correctly.
3. How many kilometres on the new tyres? Let them scrub in for 500-1000 km and then revaluate. Again, try both upping and lowering the pressure. Try both and see.

I'm guessing you're on the HYD ORR which is anyway a bit noisy on many sections. I'm sure you'll find the sweet spot shortly.

1. If I would have been on Ceat or Apollo, I would have enjoyed the new set more. However, I was on factory fitted ZVTVs which had run 74 k kms and were hard. Even after this huge change, the ride quality only improved marginally.

2. Yes, they were installed correctly. I was there and pointing to the operator that he should align the tyre as per the label 'outside' on the tyre. He said that he doesn't know all this, he just need to align the yellow dot that's it . Of course, that is the reason why these dots are there. It was a reality check for me, that the operators don't read anything on the tyre. We should not expect it from them.

3. It has been 150 kms. I think this is the best time to judge the tyre as balancing, alignment, nitrogen, and my memory of the last set are all fresh. I am looking for better cushioning, which can only deteorate during tyre run in. I am not judging braking performance at the moment.
Now that I have got them installed, I can only wait and pray for a miracle.

[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by MT_Hyderabad

3. It has been 150 kms. I think this is the best time to judge the tyre as balancing, alignment, nitrogen, and my memory of the last set are all fresh. I am looking for better cushioning, which can only deteorate during tyre run in. I am not judging braking performance at the moment.
Now that I have got them installed, I can only wait and pray for a miracle.

No, as another DBHPian pointed out, you need about 1000 kms or so for the tyres to bed in. Do that and see if things have changed.

[ToothyPetrohead]

“Tires: the only thing between you and the road”.

The above statement is a cardinal rule i believe and is a pivotal factor for ones’ life.
I own a Honda City and I have added a new set of wheels, upgraded too. I was always a fan of Bridgestone tyres and have been using this brand all through the years on all the cars that I have owned. But this time I decided to think out of the box and went with MRF.

Now the main reason for this post is to give my perspective of the MRF Perfinza upgrade done on my Honda City. This is the third change done on my car, a 2015 pristine maintained Honda City (Petrol). I love to drive on highways let’s say I enjoy sedate as well as spirited driving with good coupled with a lot of bad roads. “Burning rubber, chasing dreams.” The car is used 80% highway 20% city driving.

The first set of OEM tyres my car came with was Goodyear Assurance Triplemax 175/65 R15. These set of wheels didn’t really impress me. Lasted till 21000 Kms before I switched.

The next set were of Bridgestone Ecopia same tyre size 175/65R15. The ride and comfort was ok, but mileage given was the stand out part (Subjective) due to the composition and groove pattern. The tyre looked way skinner. This lasted five years had developed cracks and punctures started happening.

My tires are my ride or die companions, so after a lot of contemplation, reading multiple posts on our esteemed group and research took the plunge to get my tryes upgraded this time to 195/60R15 with the MRF Perfinza. (Set of 4). My close friend who is a car wiz and auto engineer was against this decision though. The Perfinzas had to be ordered and I had to wait for a day as this size is not readily available off the shelf. Purchase/ fitment was done from a MRF authorized outlet itself. (Prem Tyres, Chembur).I, being particular about the age of tyre also, received all four 3 months of manufacture.

Initially I was disheartened and upset as the car was quite unsettled and going over undulated and potholed roads (we Tax payers have to live with) in Mumbai the suspension bottomed out and was very unsettling. It used to give me a heart wrenching feeling every time I drove my car. (I used the ideal pressure too in a Honda City 32psi front and 30psi rear). I didn’t realize at first I had to let the suspension and tyre “engagement time” before the marriage and maturing into a fine wine. (Run In Time)

Having travelled 2500 Kms now highway and city driving I have really enjoyed every bit of it. The feeling is like Rollin', rollin', rollin' on the river with these sweet tires.

Pros:
1. Stability excellent.
2. Cornering excellent. Driving along the ghat sections the feel is amazing.
3. These tyres stick to the road like a leech and ride is amazing on highways especially gives confidence and control. No one's gonna drive me off the road, it's a wheel-y strong feeling.
4. The steering feels heavy and stable.
5. The tyre sound also silent as compared to before.
6. Speed at times I didn’t realize was way above as compared to with the previous tryes, car feels extremely planted this time around. It gives confidence to push further. (Of course I let go of the itch to further floor the pedal to the metal).
7. Braking distance and in general has greatly improved.
8. Wet grip is also excellent.


Cons:
1. The ride at times on the undulated roads is bumpy and unsettling.
2. Loss of mileage, drop by about two points. (I have got 21 per litre mileage on highway driving at constant speed/cruise control and 18 with a heavy right foot. (Before the upgrade).
3. Car used to fly off with wheel spins before when clutch release, now heavier mature kind feel of motion forward but once it reaches speed it is fantastic.
4. I normally keep the tyre pressure at 31psi front and 30psi rear thus giving a cushiony and comfortable ride. The above tyre pressure after a lot of trials and misses to my comfort.

Bottom line: I know now that the tyre upgrade on my Honda City was a good decision and I am very contented about it. Every mile now is a new opportunity to burn rubber.

“My tires have a great sense of humor, they're always ready to roll”.

[Turbohead]

Originally Posted by MT_Hyderabad

Thanks, will try. The tyres seems to have less pressure visually. I had filled 35 psi at the moment. Filling more will reduce ride quality further, which I don't want.



1. If I would have been on Ceat or Apollo, I would have enjoyed the new set more. However, I was on factory fitted ZVTVs which had run 74 k kms and were hard. Even after this huge change, the ride quality only improved marginally.

2. Yes, they were installed correctly. I was there and pointing to the operator that he should align the tyre as per the label 'outside' on the tyre. He said that he doesn't know all this, he just need to align the yellow dot that's it . Of course, that is the reason why these dots are there. It was a reality check for me, that the operators don't read anything on the tyre. We should not expect it from them.

3. It has been 150 kms. I think this is the best time to judge the tyre as balancing, alignment, nitrogen, and my memory of the last set are all fresh. I am looking for better cushioning, which can only deteorate during tyre run in. I am not judging braking performance at the moment.
Now that I have got them installed, I can only wait and pray for a miracle.

The change from 185/65/R15 to 195/60/R15 will result in reduction of 6.25 mm of sidewall. So your ride is bound to get firmer! Ideally, wait till 1k to 1.5k kms for the tires to settle. Speaking from experience after being on the second pair.

Also what is the stock air pressure you are expected to use? Use this calculator to see what the air pressure is supposed to be when using the new tire https://kisantyres.com/site/default/upsizecalculator

[MT_Hyderabad]

Originally Posted by Turbohead

The change from 185/65/R15 to 195/60/R15 will result in reduction of 6.25 mm of sidewall. So your ride is bound to get firmer! Ideally, wait till 1k to 1.5k kms for the tires to settle. Speaking from experience after being on the second pair.

Also what is the stock air pressure you are expected to use? Use this calculator to see what the air pressure is supposed to be when using the new tire https://kisantyres.com/site/default/upsizecalculator

The sidewall height (on one side of the wheel) is changing by just 3 mm, which is not significant, considering 2, 3 mm are easily lost overtime as the tyre is used.

I have nearly completed 1k kms on the perfinza now. The car has become more sluggish and noisy and it is more related to the upsize (width). Ciaz petrol is not a silent engine and with this increased friction, to maintain the same speeds, more throttle input is required. Yes, the car feels more planted, corners have become race tracks and the braking has improved. I wish that my car had a more powerful engine to enjoy this tyre more. However, the car is returning 17.5 km/l still, more so because I am decreasing the throttle input on elevated roads as the engine feels little strained. On straight or downward sloping roads, I am quite happy with the set up.

[Mlanuk]

I drive a Honda City VX Petrol 2019 model with 90% city 10% highway drive.

The car was being partly used by my partner (chauffeured) and the rear seat comfort was unsatisfactory due to the low profile stock Bridgestones. After a series of punctures, I finally upgraded to the MRF Perfinzas 195/55/R16 on all 4, around April 2023. My initial experience was good with the extra grip and braking confidence. I experienced a puncture within the first month itself, but since it was a truant nail on the road, I fixed the puncture myself and moved on.

However, recently I had sidewall punctures on both my left side tires (2 punctures on each tire). The front left was completely flat when I drove out mid-day from my office parking. I immediately changed to the spare and went home. After about 2 hours, I noticed low pressure on the left rear as well and a check using my Bergmann inflator & soapy water mixture, found that this tire too was losing air through the sidewall puncture. Image attached for reference. I feared I may have damaged the tires on a kerb but on closer inspection there were no abrasive marks on either the tires or my alloys, the car was exclusively driven by me (driver was let go few months back). There is no visible tear, just a pinprick visible on a really close inspection. I don't have reason to believe it could be a miscreant, the car is mostly parked at a safe, monitored covered parking.

As of now, I took both tires (on alloys, no attempts to fix the puncture) to the authorized MRF dealer and requested them to file a warranty claim with the company. They have agreed and sent the tires to the company for inspection (after a 3 day delay due to company vehicle not visiting the dealer due to some other issue). I'm waiting for an update on this.

I'm hoping for some answers from the forum, if such issues are common and the probable cause. How has the experience been with filing claims with MRF?

[Mlanuk]

Originally Posted by Mlanuk

As of now, I took both tires (on alloys, no attempts to fix the puncture) to the authorized MRF dealer and requested them to file a warranty claim with the company. They have agreed and sent the tires to the company for inspection (after a 3 day delay due to company vehicle not visiting the dealer due to some other issue). I'm waiting for an update on this.

I'm hoping for some answers from the forum, if such issues are common and the probable cause. How has the experience been with filing claims with MRF?

Quick update, the warranty was honored by MRF and they dispatched two new tires for replacement. Before they were put on the alloys, I checked the manufacturing date and one of them was August '23 while the other was October '23.

Hoping for a fuss-free experience going forward with these tires which came highly recommended!

[arunphilip]

Here's my 2 cents regarding my experience with MRF Perfinza on my EcoSport, between Jan 2023 and today.

I've been running Michelin's Primacy 3 ST on my EcoSport since day 1, and was thoroughly pleased with them - I loved the quietness, and the grip they offered.

Fast forward to Jan 2023, and my car's tyres were due for a change - due to age and due to standing still for a very long time (I'd left my car behind during the Covid lockdowns, and it wasn't run after that as well). This meant that the tyres were flat, and starting to crack. I wasn't keen on driving with tyres in that state.

I was fortunately pointed by a friend to a nearby MRF dealer (Mr. Rajkumar, Google Maps), and upon checking with him, he recommended MRF's Perfinza tyres.

Now, I don't have a problem with MRF as a brand, because I've had an immensely positive experience with MRF tyres on my Yamaha R15 v1. (Something which made me realize that MRF can make tyres up there with the best of them, and they only tend to make hard tyres due to manufacturers requirements for longevity and mileage).

Some quick research on Perfinza (including this thread) and it seemed like a worthy successor to the P3ST, and my mind was made.

The MRF dealer dispatched one of his boys with two jack stands to prop up the car, removed two tyres at a time, took them back and replaced them with new ones, and did the wheel balancing. Repeat the process for the remaining 3 tyres. I then drove to their shop, to get the wheel alignment also completed. All in all, their service was painless, and very fast.

Now that I've done 1 year and 2500 km with the Perfinza (running 33 PSI on all tyres) - which covers highway runs, city runs, ghats and town runs - I'm happy to report that I'm fully satisfied with the tyres.

They tick all the boxes that matter to me - grip, wet grip, braking, silence, comfort, mileage are all on par with the P3ST. I have no complaints of any kind, and would happily recommend them to anyone.

[procrj]

Originally Posted by Jammy70

I have done over 18,000 km with the Perfinzas which includes butter smooth highways, bad ghat road sections (Chorla ghat sections) and some state and municipal roads.

Please do share an update on the Perfinzas interested in your opinion since we own the same car.

[MAS]

I purchased 4 MRF Perfinza Tyres - 195/60 R15 for my Ford Freestyle replacing the stock Goodyear 185/60 R15.

The old tires had around 5K kms of life in them even after 49500 kms, but since the ride had become extremely hard, I decided to change the tires.

I had considered the following
Apollo Alnec 4G (Mid 2023 Manufactured - 185/60 R15 - Quoted 5600/tire)
- VREDESTEIN Ultrac 84V (Mid 2022 Manufactured - 185/60 R15 - Quoted 6200/Tire
- Bridgestone Turanza ER300(Mid 2023 Manufactured - 185/60 R15 - Quoted 7000/tire)

But after reading good reviews about MRF Perfinza tyres, I called up SVRS Tyres located at Zamin Pallavaram. They had ready stock of 195/60 R15 offered a price of Rs 5600 per tire including wheel balancing and alignment. This was a great price considering the quotes on the upsize were ranging from Rs 7600- Rs 8400.

Reached the tire shop and checked the manufacturing dates
- two tires were 3823
- two tires were 0324

Gave a go ahead and asked them to fit the internal TPMS that I had previously purchased from Amazon.

The entire job was done extremely professionally in 30 minutes time!!!

I drove back home (~ 8 kms) and the first thing I observed was the smoother and more settled drive. Now, I’m looking forward to the highway drive coming up in the latter part of this week.

[Jammy70]

Originally Posted by procrj

Please do share an update on the Perfinzas interested in your opinion since we own the same car.

Sorry for the late response. The Perfinzas are still going well I should say - I have clocked almost 30k km on them and it looks good to go some more distance. The handling continues to provide confidence.

The last out-of-town drive I did was around the 3rd week of Dec'23 when we did a one-day run to Madikeri and back to attend a function. The car felt planted even with the frequent lane-jumping one is forced to do on the Mysore expressway. However, I did notice a bit of tyre noise on the expressway, but it could have been due to the surface as it was only on certain stretches and disappeared completely once we got off the expressway.

I have another drive - this time to Hyderabad - coming up in a week's time; will share my feedback

[MAS]

Originally Posted by MAS

Now, I’m looking forward to the highway drive coming up in the latter part of this week.

Update after 2000 odd kms covered after installing the new shoes

+ Ride is super settled and very comfortable.
+ Road noise is completely reduced and i can hear the suspension working
+ Grip levels (Dry) are amazing and tyres do not sqeek during fast U turns.

- Mileage is down by 15-20%
- Pick up is sluggish

The Freestyle during typical highway runs used to return a mileage between 22.5-24 kmpl. After its new oversized shoes, the mileage i got was around 19.5-21 kmpl.

I am hoping against hope that the mileage figures improve in near future. Will keep this thread posted!