Upgrading wheels/tyres on Santro

kpzen · 10th March 2006, 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by aZa

my santro on 175/60/R13 Potenza GIII on Chrome alloys from what i feel 185 would be a tad too big for the front wheel arches u would have to fit spacers. And spacers means the tyre coming out of the arch which means high back spray on the body when u are on the wet or dirt patch...

the 60 profile potenza give harsh slow speed ride but anything beyond 80kmph is just WOW! and FE is the same or better since i'm using alloys lighter than the stock rims.

My friend's santro has 185/60 NCT5 with stock rims

without any spacers....Only problem he's facing is the tyre touches while making a full turn...

aZa · 11th March 2006, 00:25

@kpzen : heheh thats why u need SPACERS !! stock rims are fine too alloys have a broader foot print so the tyre looks much flatter and the sides fit perfectly. Tubeless tyres on Stock pressed steel wheels arn't advisable as the rims can bend thus letting the air out.

@jkdas : i changed my tyre as soon as i bought the car with 200kms on the speedo, then i paid Rs1000 per tyre Xtra! the ride felt stiffer and high levels of grip and confidence was the immediate effect

the tyres costed 5K for all five and the alloys were bout 17K for 5. i didn't exchange the stock rims as the dealer was giving me Rs800 per rim in exchange i'd rather keep them as show peices

and put em back in when i sell the car.

cheers

rareone · 11th March 2006, 10:29

Hey Guyz

I wud like 2 know wat r these spacers.
&
Watz the use of them.

Thanx

aZa · 11th March 2006, 11:13

@rareone : Spacers are small round "washer" type fitment between the RIMS and the wheel hubs. This essentially brings the tyres slightly outwards thus preventing scraping the arches incase u have a upsize tyre. The alignment has to be done keeping the spacers in mind as they change the suspension geometry.

there are pluses and minuses to this ...

+ The broader footprint on the road means the car corners better feels wee bit more stable.

+ Steering feels slightly heavy (maybe its just me)

- The huge back spray that comes on the sides if u are going over water and dirt. Major drawback as i like my car clean.

Got this from a Website

[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]What Wheel Spacers Do:[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Wheel spacers move the wheel out from the hub, effectively widening the stance of the vehicle and lowering its roll centre. This simple modification increases lateral stability, which in turn provides improved handling, greater safety and of course, the sleek style you’ve been looking for. Depending on vehicle make and model they are available for most domestic and imported automobiles. [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Wheel spacers are also used when a cars such as: Mitsubitsu 3000GT / GTO, Peugeot 406's or some Alfa Romeo's (to name a few) have upgraded brakes, and want to fit aftermarket alloy wheels on, but the larger brake callipers prevents this by coming into contact with the alloy wheel. Other customers of ours needs wheel spacers when they have used brake upgrade kits such as Brembo products. As our fully trained staff deal with such issues on a day to day basis we have unique expert knowledge in this area, unlike other companies who sell wheel spacers. Make sure you deal with a professional knowledgeable company when purchasing alloy wheel spacers.[/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Please have a look at the diagram below which outlines what alloy wheel spacers can do:[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Original track (offset +43) [/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Fitted with TRAK+
Spacers (offset +18)[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Track increase available from 10 mm - 90 mm[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] Offset Smaller[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Offset Wider[/SIZE][/FONT]

rareone · 11th March 2006, 11:37

Thanx Aza for the prompt reply.

Wud like 2 know who install these spacers for santro
&
How much do they cost.

Is there any side effects for it(Perfrmance Based)

Reply
Thanx

aZa · 11th March 2006, 13:33

yaar ... It was put in while installing the alloys 175/60 fit in without the spacers too but the alloy chappie was like it will give a better look. So that time i said uhh.. ok! But on driving the car with it on it felt pretty nice except for the unusual back spray.

The cost was included with the alloys so i dont really know

side-effects well i got allignment and balancing done as soon as the alloys were fitted so no after effects. but from what i've heard tyre wear increases if alignment isn't done with the spacers in mind.

aZa · 12th March 2006, 00:21

here are some close up pics

Just shot today .. its raining here in Noida

Old shot (when i got the rims)

Will take some long shots and post soon

kpzen · 12th March 2006, 07:27

Hey aZa...!!!!
I was referring to the spacers(gutka) for suspension to raise the hieght.....
U are talking about the spacer to increase track of the car....

Mpower · 12th March 2006, 08:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by aZa

- The huge back spray that comes on the sides if u are going over water and dirt. Major drawback as i like my car clean.

You can fit fender flares to the wheel arch to protect your body work from spray.

Do you know how much you spaced them. 1/2" or maybe 1 inch.

rareone · 12th March 2006, 11:08

Hey Guyz

Can someone post some pics of fender flares.

I think i have seen them on few vehicles.

But just want 2 confirm it is the same.

Thanx

Mpower · 12th March 2006, 11:30

rareone · 12th March 2006, 11:53

Thanx for the snap.

This is not the one i thought.

Now do we get Fender Flares for Santro.
If yes where in Mumbai. If No then wat 2 do???

Thanx Again

aZa · 12th March 2006, 14:06

Fender flares now that loox awesome! hope there is some for santro size

thingzzzz · 30th May 2006, 13:45

Hi Guys,

Even i am looking out for the same type of modifications, kindly pour down ur suggestions

kpzen · 30th May 2006, 14:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by F1amit

Guys,

So I want to change tyres to tubeless one.
which are the best tubeless tyres available for Santro (And Approximate cost) ?

Should I opt for current rims with tubeless tyres or should I go for tubeless tyres with alloy rims?

If u want tubeless tyres then go for alloys.....

Option 1: Bridgestone B350 165/65-13 with 5J alloys The tyre will cost u 2.2K/piece n alloys will start from 2.5K / piece..

Option 2: Bridgestone GIIIs 175/60-13 with 5J alloys....The tyre will cost u around 3K/piece....

Choosing an option depends upon your budget n mode of driving.....

KP

11th March 2006, 00:25	#47
aZa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noida / Delhi Posts: 1,595 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	@kpzen : heheh thats why u need SPACERS !! stock rims are fine too alloys have a broader foot print so the tyre looks much flatter and the sides fit perfectly. Tubeless tyres on Stock pressed steel wheels arn't advisable as the rims can bend thus letting the air out. @jkdas : i changed my tyre as soon as i bought the car with 200kms on the speedo, then i paid Rs1000 per tyre Xtra! the ride felt stiffer and high levels of grip and confidence was the immediate effect the tyres costed 5K for all five and the alloys were bout 17K for 5. i didn't exchange the stock rims as the dealer was giving me Rs800 per rim in exchange i'd rather keep them as show peices and put em back in when i sell the car. cheers
	() Thanks

11th March 2006, 10:29	#48
rareone BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 256 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	Hey Guyz I wud like 2 know wat r these spacers. & Watz the use of them. Thanx
	() Thanks

11th March 2006, 11:13	#49
aZa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noida / Delhi Posts: 1,595 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	@rareone : Spacers are small round "washer" type fitment between the RIMS and the wheel hubs. This essentially brings the tyres slightly outwards thus preventing scraping the arches incase u have a upsize tyre. The alignment has to be done keeping the spacers in mind as they change the suspension geometry. there are pluses and minuses to this ... + The broader footprint on the road means the car corners better feels wee bit more stable. + Steering feels slightly heavy (maybe its just me) - The huge back spray that comes on the sides if u are going over water and dirt. Major drawback as i like my car clean. Got this from a Website [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]What Wheel Spacers Do:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Wheel spacers move the wheel out from the hub, effectively widening the stance of the vehicle and lowering its roll centre. This simple modification increases lateral stability, which in turn provides improved handling, greater safety and of course, the sleek style you’ve been looking for. Depending on vehicle make and model they are available for most domestic and imported automobiles. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Wheel spacers are also used when a cars such as: Mitsubitsu 3000GT / GTO, Peugeot 406's or some Alfa Romeo's (to name a few) have upgraded brakes, and want to fit aftermarket alloy wheels on, but the larger brake callipers prevents this by coming into contact with the alloy wheel. Other customers of ours needs wheel spacers when they have used brake upgrade kits such as Brembo products. As our fully trained staff deal with such issues on a day to day basis we have unique expert knowledge in this area, unlike other companies who sell wheel spacers. Make sure you deal with a professional knowledgeable company when purchasing alloy wheel spacers.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Please have a look at the diagram below which outlines what alloy wheel spacers can do:[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Original track (offset +43) [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Fitted with TRAK+ Spacers (offset +18)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Track increase available from 10 mm - 90 mm[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] Offset Smaller[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]Offset Wider[/SIZE][/FONT]
	() Thanks

11th March 2006, 11:37	#50
rareone BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 256 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	Thanx Aza for the prompt reply. Wud like 2 know who install these spacers for santro & How much do they cost. Is there any side effects for it(Perfrmance Based) Reply Thanx
	() Thanks

11th March 2006, 13:33	#51
aZa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noida / Delhi Posts: 1,595 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	yaar ... It was put in while installing the alloys 175/60 fit in without the spacers too but the alloy chappie was like it will give a better look. So that time i said uhh.. ok! But on driving the car with it on it felt pretty nice except for the unusual back spray. The cost was included with the alloys so i dont really know side-effects well i got allignment and balancing done as soon as the alloys were fitted so no after effects. but from what i've heard tyre wear increases if alignment isn't done with the spacers in mind.
	() Thanks

12th March 2006, 00:21	#52
aZa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noida / Delhi Posts: 1,595 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	here are some close up pics Just shot today .. its raining here in Noida Old shot (when i got the rims) Will take some long shots and post soon
	() Thanks

12th March 2006, 07:27	#53
kpzen Senior - BHPian Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Faridabad Posts: 5,610 Thanked: 1,876 Times View My Garage	Hey aZa...!!!! I was referring to the spacers(gutka) for suspension to raise the hieght..... U are talking about the spacer to increase track of the car....
	() Thanks

12th March 2006, 11:08	#55
rareone BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 256 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	Hey Guyz Can someone post some pics of fender flares. I think i have seen them on few vehicles. But just want 2 confirm it is the same. Thanx
	() Thanks

12th March 2006, 11:30	#56
Mpower Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bangalore Posts: 10,409 Thanked: 1,730 Times View My Garage	Fender Flares
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12th March 2006, 11:53	#57
rareone BHPian Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Navi Mumbai Posts: 256 Thanked: 11 Times View My Garage	Thanx for the snap. This is not the one i thought. Now do we get Fender Flares for Santro. If yes where in Mumbai. If No then wat 2 do??? Thanx Again
	() Thanks

12th March 2006, 14:06	#58
aZa Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Noida / Delhi Posts: 1,595 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	Fender flares now that loox awesome! hope there is some for santro size
	() Thanks

30th May 2006, 13:45	#59
thingzzzz Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Location: bangalore Posts: 1 Thanked: 0 Times	Hi Guys, Even i am looking out for the same type of modifications, kindly pour down ur suggestions
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