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Old 12th February 2017, 18:15   #241
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Got the suspension parts overhauled from Deva Bhai yesterday. He charged 1500 bucks for the work. Took about 5 hours for the job. All the components were pulled out except the shockers and inspected. The TRW's have replaced the local stuff. I told Deva about how Straight Line guys would always say that they are not able to adjust the Tie rod/Steering ball joint for alignment. He compared the old tie rod with the TRW one and found that the older one was about a mm or two longer than the new one.

After the work was carried out headed straight to 'Straight line' :-). Trevor did not charge anything for the work and he got the alignment done. The car has now become butter smooth. There is no clunk clunk over speed breakers and the play noise in the tie rods which used to come before while driving even over smooth roads is now gone. All i hear now is the engine note.

Meanwhile the CNG license plate has expired and i will sending it to Suraj for Hyrdotesting. This is where they will pull out the CNG tank and send it for testing. It will take a couple of days to get the tank bank and a months time for the new plate. Suraj Gas will handle the RTO and paper work and i just have to be present for the removal and refitting of the CNG tank.

This sight has become too familiar for me unfortunately.
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The broken stablizer link rods. I was not imagining the sounds and the thuds. Initially Deva's mechanic was not convinced the car needed a suspension overhaul as Deva had not taken a test drive and relied on my word.
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The tie rod fitted. I would recommend these over the local desi stuff we get. The specs were not proper on the old one and they were a bit bigger than the current TRW. Bought them from spareshub.com.
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Odo has turned post 90k. Nothing much to update except had given car for 80k service and got a fat bill of 10.6k courtesy the fuel filter. Honda service reminder personnel keep nagging for service due calls so have blocked their nos on my phone. Will unblock them after 6 months when the next service is due. 3 months service interval is too soon than required especially for a out of warranty car.

In the bill you can see Honda personnel have listed out faults etc all of which are not needed to be done except for rear pads which are down to 4mm. They even listed the lower arm joints and bushes as local even though i had changed them from Honda itself which proves they are just doing a cut paste job of things to be done from the old service history.
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A few updates.
Horn
One thing I had forgotten to mention in my last update that the original set of horns was replaced by Roots for 540 and 150 bucks labor. The older horn set only 1 one was working while the other was honking occasionally only. So decided to do away with the old set. The new ones did not come with the connectors and I had to watch as the mechanic cut away the horn connector and spliced wires to connect the new horn. Hope they don’t short out in the rains.


Overheating
Second issue had occurred in Apr that the car had started to overheat when in dense traffic and in peak afternoon time. I showed it to my mechanic who got the radiator cleaned for 1500 bucks. Post that there was no overheating issue. Coolant was changed to Wurth brand and I have noticed now the car takes a bit more time to reach its operating temp even in peak afternoon heat. What my mechanic observed was that there was a lot of dust on the outside of the radiator and it was rather clean from the inside. He recommended the radiator be dusted off with an air pressure pipe and cleaned with a water spray once a while.


The temp gauge would rise above the halfway mark.

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The biggest HASS bill date.
I have been mentioning the jerks while driving the car in gas mode. The CNG guy had diagnosed as the coils being the issue. I overlooked the same due to the exorbitant price tag of a single coil. However off lately I had observed the jerks even in petrol mode. I could feel the engine a bit strained and I knew the time has come to change the coil & the spark plugs. I attempted to buy new coils from a Chinese website however they were unable to deliver the order and I cancelled the order. I tried to see if I could import the plugs from RockAuto.com but after shipping and customs I found I was saving just 1.8 k over the cost against buying from HASS here in Mumbai. So decided not to push it further I got the Ignition coils and the spark plugs replaced from HASS. I got the largest bill ever due to the high cost of these parts however now there is no jerking of the car while driving and I don’t have to resort to antics such as changing gears at higher rpm to mask the jerks etc.


One issue still pending is that the car is still a little bit shuddering in idle (though this was observed just once or twice after the change) and this is due to need of throttle body and IAC valve needing cleaning which I had entrusted to Honda but it seems they don’t do a very good job at it. I will get this done in the next service from my mechanic rather than HASS next time. After the coil and plug change the driving experience has improved to more than 150%. Earlier in CNG the tacho needle would rise lazily but now it moves almost as fast as in petrol mode, this is noticed more when doing rev-matching while down shifting gears as one needs to rev the engine a bit while shifting down a gear at high speed. A major attack on my wallet this was but I have gained more in driving pleasure which was robbed from me all this while.

The Big bill.
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The old coils. Most people dream about new cars I was dreaming about new coils for the last few months.
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The new coils came in these boxes. Each coil 4k a piece and there are 4 of them.
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The spark plugs came at 1023 a piece.
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The old spark plugs were shot.
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Got the suspension parts overhauled from Deva Bhai yesterday.

The tie rod fitted. I would recommend these over the local desi stuff we get. The specs were not proper on the old one and they were a bit bigger than the current TRW. Bought them from spareshub.com.
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Hi Sumeet, which company are these from, Talbros or TRW ? because i checked with spareshub and they had Talbros only.

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Hi Sumeet, which company are these from, Talbros or TRW ? because i checked with spareshub and they had Talbros only.

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Hi Kunal these are from TRW brand. They should be still available with spareshub , if not you can call on their support helpline and ask for same. I am sure they will be available.
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Hi Kunal these are from TRW brand. They should be still available with spareshub , if not you can call on their support helpline and ask for same. I am sure they will be available.
HI Sumeet,

Appreciate your prompt revert, trying to procure TRW ones locally from Delhi ( Have spoken to GHAI Auto Agency and they have confirmed that they will be able to arrange the same by tomorrow morning).

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Happy Independence day guys. The "ODO" has crossed 97k kms. Closing towards the 100k kms mark in the next few months or so. This Sunday I switched over to Liqui Moly 5W 30 engine oil bought online for 3.8k bucks. Quite frankly I am unable to tell much difference probably because Honda's own OE oil seems to be quite competent however recent reports of Honda switching to 0W20 instead of the regular 0W30 made me go in for the aftermarket oil.

One thing I did notice however now is that when I do a rev match while downshifting from a higher to a lower gear and blip the throttle the needle moves more swiftly than with the OE oil. I guess the Liqui Moly oil is a bit better than the OE but I expected more. Anyways I will continue with same for the next 10k kms at least and won't be going for a oil change sooner unless some issue crops up.

Meanwhile the CNG has conked off. On switching to CNG the car shudders, sputters and feels like it is about to switch off. Driving on petrol for more than a week. Might or might not make some changes in the future. Happy driving in petrol mode for a change. No boring queues, no jerks, no fear of car switching off at idling since then.

Battle scars are visible on her as she ages.
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The ODO reached closer to the 100k km mark sooner than I expected.
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The Liqui Moly 5W30. Made in Germany. No mind blowing difference was noted. It may change as I have done only <90 kms with the new oil.
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The Liqui Moly 5W30. Made in Germany. No mind blowing difference was noted. It may change as I have done only <90 kms with the new oil.
Give it some time to settle. You'll get to see its true nature once you cover around 500kms on this oil.

Some queries:

1. What was the color of this oil?? Was is green as its advertised??

2. Did you get this from Amazon? Which seller?? Asking because many people have got fakes from Amazon. I trust only a couple of sellers on Amazon like Cloudtail, TAMS, Color Zone, Aarsons(Too expensive) etc

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Give it some time to settle. You'll get to see its true nature once you cover around 500kms on this oil.

Some queries:

1. What was the color of this oil?? Was is green as its advertised??

2. Did you get this from Amazon? Which seller?? Asking because many people have got fakes from Amazon. I trust only a couple of sellers on Amazon like Cloudtail, TAMS, Color Zone, Aarsons(Too expensive) etc

Regards,
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Yes I think it may show it's true colors once it settles. As I mentioned already the engine has become a bit more revvy while doing rpm matching. The color is green like those of coolants. I bought it from Amazon and the package everything seemed genuine. The seller is aancor and has a 86% rating on Amazon.
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The color is green like those of coolants.


Liqui Moly engine oils have weird colors. Last year, my friend bought an oil which had MoS2 additive in it, and was therefore dark black right out of the can. We had a tough time convincing the mechanic that it wasn't a "burnt" engine oil. He'll go crazy if I show him this green stuff.

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He'll go crazy if I show him this green stuff.
Once upon a time Toyota's mineral engine oil 15W-40 was blue (like a coolant) in colour. Wonder what he'd have to say about that.

This is one of the reasons the owner had to stick to Toyota's OEM oil (manufactured by Savita Chemicals under license from Idemitsu) since a different coloured oil was a clear sign the owner wasn't maintaining it according to warranty requirements.

The current 5W-30 OEM mineral oil is amber in colour.
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