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Infractions: 0/1 (5) | Re: Strike woes haunt Maruti's Manesar plant again. 1 DEAD & Production hit Quote:
nobody in this thread has justified murder or is it so that talking about workers grievances amount to justifying the Murder !!!!!!!! I cannot find a single post justifying the same . your logic of presumption that all upper middle class is intelligent is highly flawed .it;s not necessary that Rich and upper middle class is a intelligent man. Presumption can be dangerous. As For socialist thinking goes, that ;s the only way out for a diverse society like we have in India. capitalism succeed in US because they didn;t have the challenge of hundreds of different communities. To Put in words of a famed veteran journalist :- "In India you can be either center or right.there is no left" Nice juggernaut of numbers there. I can Only laugh at the way they are presented. Beauty of numbers is that they present everything to the outside which generate curiosity but hides every fact which is relevant. if per capita income is reaching every indian than why there was a need to set that paltry 39 rs as per day for living by famed GOI. So much for numbers. your numbers are again imagination , far away from reality. India does n ;t live in cities, it;s villages where India live. Hopefully you have seen village live to come at the above conclusion. The wealth distribution hasn ;t been equal in India post 1991 .even Our capital is struggling to meet basic demands of water , electricity and food for it;s inhabitants despite every house being worth crores. So these per capita income and other jargon 's does n ;t hold any water in real world. just FYI : - A Simple Unfurnished 2 BHK house in decent locality in noida casts some 11k to rent. A simple school admission in a private school takes anywhere north of 25 K as donation itself & another 6-10 K per month as school fees.So yes workers earning some 9-10 K per month are rich man. Quote:
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As for moving farmers to factories goes, i hope you know that agriculture is the backbone of indian economy. What we eat comes from those very farmer who you think should be moved to factories !!!!! recommending hire & fire is Again a classic of being living away from realities of workers life !!! Hire and fire works where govt;s social security net is strong like europe / US economies. Untill that happens i don ;t think hire & fire is appropriate. it will only increase such cases of arson and violence. Quote:
Again off the mark IMO. So you mean that designers, marketers and managers are the one who sweat on the shop floor. Not worker !!!!!! Workers are already providing them high productivity so their demand for higher wages & better facilities is some what justifies I am not against liberalization in anyway but the wealth creation is centered around few centers. Has anybody wondered why there is so much influx into cities of migrant laborers from states like UP / Bihar / MP . it;s because liberalization hasn ;t provided them opportunities same as those living in cities. between 1947 - 91 , although growth was less ( what was called as Hindu rate of growth Some 3 - 3.75 % every year) but social divide was less . so despite less wealth we all were happy . you think society is more happy now!!. I don;t think so. there has been a increase in everything . be it murders or looting or chain snatching or aristocracies on poor. our early life leader has the fore sightedness to see this and hence they choose the socialism. Last edited by .sushilkumar : 27th July 2012 at 13:38. | |||||
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Sir ji that does not mean you pay your driver 30000Rs per month does it? Similarly every skill set commands a pay scale in the market today. Pray tell me how many companies pay more than 3 lakhs per annum to a worker. I did a random search on naukri and found most jobs listed for ITI people with 3-4 years experience were carrying a package of 90000 to 150000 per year. Looking at them I dont think Maruti paying their workers is way off the mark. I would say the permanent workers are being payed pretty well if compared to the market standards. If you have any statistics to suggest that an average worker elsewhere earns much more than this, then please share, I ll take my words back. Else I dont think there is any point in singling out Maruti for following Market standards. Contract workers is a different story but then that is not too bad either. Considering the fact that there are many graduates in NCR area who get paid less than that. Regarding the 2 BHK, there are ample places in Delhi, forget Noida where one can get decent accomodation for around 6-7K. It wont be a posh locality but pretty decent. There are Government schools for such people who cant afford to send their Kids to Pricey Public schools. Next what is in line? Since accomodation and schooling is expensive, start paying your watchmen 6 lakhs per annum? You get paid as per your skill set not just in maruti but every where. Sad but true. I am a marine engineer and was scouting for a land job. I landed with an offer as Assistant chief engineer at a very prominent 5 star hotel in bangalore offering me 5 lakhs per annum. A graduate Mechanical engineer with 7 years experience being offered 5 lakhs, I dont think an ITI worker being paid 3 lakhs per annum should be worried too much. | |
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| Re: Strike woes haunt Maruti's Manesar plant again. 1 DEAD & Production hit Being a haryanvi myself, we know about the history of this area in and out. The area in and around gurgaon/manesar before maruti came in was as backward as it can get. The aboriginals were known dacoits who used to make a living doing stealings and stuff like that. Even today the mewat area around gurgaon is a well known harbour for these gangs who go about their business of doing illegal activities in NCR region. This NCR region has seen sudden rise due to the advent of maruti in 80's, locals sold their land for crores and industry/corporates came in with high incomes and huge spendings, glitzy malls, big cars,suvs and things. So, people who could not achieve a certain level of this affluency (that is by their level,not everbody can be equally affluent, there are levels to it) have got frustration set in. They want easy money with less and less work. Compounding to the situation is the fact that most of these contract workers belong to nearby Chief Minister districts of rohtak, hisar, bhiwani, jhajjar,etc and the people of these districts are dare devils who have hands of politicians over them (they never pay elec bills, steal water from rivers and what not and when the next government comes it pardons all pending elec bills, cases,etc) SO, they have a habit now of feeling invincible. So they seldom fear anybody, leave alone policemen, who are most of the time hand in hand because a fair share goes to their pockets. Another non haryanvi phenomenon which comes from our country being overpopulated is that-their is no respect for life here unlike in the west who value life so much after ther huge losses in the past. People here do not value life, somebody's personal space, respect to ladies,etc. So, i donot think maruti is exploiting anybody. You are not bound to maruti, if a rival company is paying you more, move to that company. This is the best part in corporate world, the emoluments are mostly market driven. You cannot survive if you pay too less that your competetion, people will leave you and join other cos. Maoist/naxalites angle is also quite convincing. Corporate rivalry is also highly likely. Recently a certain manufacturer cars got up in flames which which could have been be a huge competetion to a best selling car of a big name in indian automotive industry. So that burning of cars and this agitation could be interlinked. Quike likely! |
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28th July 2012, 12:40 | #245 | |
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You start with blaming the locals, who you compare with aboriginals/ thugs/ dacoits, etc. much like the Britisher Historians have viewed/ narrated Indians in their twisted version of history books. I agree with you that the Mewat region is the badland of NCR, but, it is yet to be confirmed whether there was outside influence/ interference in the violence at the plant. Till date the police or any other security agencies have only put up theories of outside people, naxals, etc. to cover up their inaction. Additionally, we have read & heard more about the management version only, the iPhone bearing union leaders haven't got enough footage. This is a classic case of "tali do hathon se bajti hai". The management of the company never tried best to get a solution of the problem... once forever. Instead they have been trying to buy temporary truce, & following the divide & rule policy. Separate negotiations are held for separate locations - Manesar, Gurgaon, Powertrain Division, & so on. And, why is more than 75% of the staff contractual rather than regular. Add to this we have heard about the wonderful working conditions & floor discipline that they have in plants for the workers. I bet Suzuki would not have dared to follow the same in Japan or elsewhere. Don't you think these factors invite mutiny, like one of the friends have pointed out earlier? The workers' unions are also equally responsible for the mess (they are the ones responsible for the murder of the General Manager as well). The so called mazdoor netas (Sonu Gujjar & i-Phone bearing types) are the ones who along with management played dirty politics in this case, & have fooled the plant workers for their own good, swelling own coffers from workers' resentment... much like our politicians. Please tell me why a worker should get Rs.2-2.5 lacs p.a. for the manual work requiring no expertise. This is the reason why they are sticking to the company rather than moving to competitor. An engineering (other an IT/ Electronics)/ MBA graduate gets this amount as start-up salary in most cases. But, I agree this amount & even more as salary for an ITI graduate with 2-3 years experience appointed as supervisor. However, when you blame these aboriginals' descendants for the violence do you ever consider that these people have been working peacefully for years despite not being regularized (effectively helping the Jap bosses to survive & earn fat bonuses/ dividends). Regarding your comments like Tatas instigating the workers, why did you not consider Hyundai (perennial No#2), or VW/ Skoda (with their World No#1 aim & burning Ventos/ Rapids). Or probably you want to point out that Tatas are doing similar to what happened in Singur to them. The increasing Naxal influence in/ around Delhi is a problem, but, again it is yet to be proved with arrest of the Naxal leaders, who are supported by intellectuals & populist leaders, like certain political swami often seen on TV, propagating the benefits of own-urine drinking. The local police are yet to come up with an explanation for their late arrival to the plant. There were reports in certain quarters that police action was hindered by local politicians of a national party . I believe Gurgaon has little to owe to MS, & it is Suzuki who owe to India & Indians for their survival, & Gurgaon would have anyhow developed, because of boom in service sector & proximity to airport. I await with bated breath for a positive outcome of this dispute, which would mean that all parties stakeholders, management, workers, customers & country benefit from a long lasting peace. AMEN Last edited by CARDEEP : 28th July 2012 at 12:42. | |
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Gurgaon plant is working fine dear, with no major incident. It is the manesar palnt which has been built just a few years ago where all this crap is taking place. | ||
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28th July 2012, 15:34 | #247 | |
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| This only reminds me of what my parents taught me... "jis thaali mein khaate hain usme chedh nahi karte" I believe the workers learnt it the hard way, I seriously doubt Manesar plant will start functioning soon. Quote:
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In many IT companies, exits from senior technical positions are considered more serious than exits from the junior positions. Mind you, these are people with probably same educational qualifications, just different levels of experience. I have close contact with textile retail industry as well. Retaining the store/floor managers there is considered more important than retaining the average salesperson. | |
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| Re: Strike woes haunt Maruti's Manesar plant again. 1 DEAD & Production hit Yesterday had been to Autofin Maruti Dealer with a friend who was interested in buying a Swift ZDi. When we were approached by the sales head he outrightly refused to take any booking for any car that sported the DDiS engine. He says the strike is creating a backlog and not producing any cars so customers would have to wait long. If NOT for the strike then any booking for a diesel vehicle was somehow cleared off within a week's time. Logical and frank from his point of view. Would have to see how long this strike takes and what is the outcome. Hope the cars made and shipped are throughly checked for any kind of sabotaging done by those workers. |
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The point I was trying to make is that just having a bunch of managers and designers is not going to do wonders in any industry. You need a happy set of worker bee to get stuff done. Whether this is achieved using a carrot or a stick or a combination of both is what is called the art of motivation which let me say very clearly from my experience, most Indian managers hopelessly lack. Most of the managers I have dealt with strongly believe in the theory of flogging to get any work done. Those were the golden days of colonial domination which maybe that particular school of economics wants to be brought back again . | |
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| Re: Strike woes haunt Maruti's Manesar plant again. 1 DEAD & Production hit But I'm not talking about IT project managers. Just the senior technical guys. Some companies (mainly in service business) run their projects by using relatively inexperienced (and easily replaceable) engineers/non-engineers working under "technical" direction/supervision from a team of much more experienced guys. And the companies do their best to hold the core technical team in place while the relatively inexperienced "assembly-line workers" change all the time. |
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