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Originally Posted by pgsagar Generally we see threads like this started by suffering owners of cars. But CD does not appear to own a Honda car. |
Correct, I don't.
And there was a thread created by a member, an owner when he faced the alternator belt grinding noise issue. The thread was started by him for sharing all the niggles faced in the 4th generation Honda City.
Where is the thread then? Merged with the official review thread. Probably mods, with the data available would have felt it unnecessary to have a niggles thread for a brand that has a good record previously for giving niggle free ownership experience.
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Originally Posted by pgsagar At least he did not mention that anywhere. Which is why I just suspect the very timing and motive of this thread. |
Timing and motive? Care to explain?
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Originally Posted by pgsagar Why pick on Honda alone? European, especially German cars are exponentially far more unreliable. Should CD not start a thread on those cars as well? Except 2 guys, he seems to have been cheered along by one and all in his endeavour. Wow! So many Honda haters? I didn't know that. Not only is it appreaciated, it has even been awarded a 5-star rating. This thread has turned into a Honda bashing thread. To that end, you have been very successfull CD.
BTW, I do not own / never owned any Honda car and since I'm looking forward to buying a diesel AT SUV, Honda has nothing for me. But I am an admirer of this brand. And I'm not amused by what this thread has turned into. So much reasearch appears to have been done to malign a brand. |
You have a point. European cars are far more unreliable. But don't we know that? How many threads are there about European cars. Let's take all examples.
1. Fiat- Everybody knows the issues they are going through- service related threads, Punto niggles thread, etc aplenty.
2. VW and Skoda- Lots of horror stories. Everyone knows what they are buying- a superior mechanical package that can cost a bomb when something goes wrong.
3. TATA and Mahindra- Need I say more? There are a lot of threads revealing all their issues.
4. Maruti Suzuki- I'm quite surprised people are shocked by the NCAP results. There are already a dozen threads on their build quality. Everyone knows what they are digging their hands into.
Kindly answer a few questions from me as well-
1. Can you point out ONE example like the Honda City where the overall image is that of a brilliant car, but inside owners were facing lot of niggles with the current generation?
2. There are quite a few owners here who commented as well. Would you consider them as well among the 'Honda haters' list who encouraged this thread?
3. I'm sorry but if the owners of the brand feel there is a quality dip, and multiple owners of the current and previous generation cars have commented on that, can you please let me know how we are 'maligning' a brand here? Pulling out the facts is maligning?
4. You say two guys have objected to the thread? Both members have clarified in other posts that they do agree there is a dip in quality levels. One member has clarified that some of the posts that came later from other members contained baseless bashing which is what he objected against. So why do you say they object to the thread?
5. You call yourself an admirer of the brand. Do you agree with the dip in quality levels that happened recently? Do you admire the fact the 11 members faced issues with the alternator belt on the iVTEC and didn't get a solution yet, or even for the parts falling off? Or even the high speed twitching? Do you admire the brand this way?
I admire the brand as well, for what it used to be, for what it can be. And the last car I admired from the stable was the Civic.
And 6. Once again, as asked earlier- care to explain the allegation on the 'timing and intent' of this thread.
PS- Love is not blind and doesn't mean you keep ignoring whatever comes along. If Honda comes back to what it used to be (When they used to build the likes of Civic), let me assure you that I would be the first one to start a thread to appreciate.
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Originally Posted by wheeledsoul
However, just curious if any of the niggles mentioned are i-DTEC/i-VTEC specific. |
The alternator belt grinding noise and the warranty replacement for clutch issues were reported by iVTEC owners.
iDTEC doesn't have any niggles reported except for the higher NVH levels and lower torque associated with the engine.