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Old 22nd October 2019, 11:54   #151
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Toyota has confirmed that it will launch an all-electric car in India.

Toyota-Suzuki working on introducing a compact battery electric vehicle in India.

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The company’s CTO Shigeki Terashi said “India is one of the countries we have in mind for BEVs and we want to introduce them at an early stage along with Maruti

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Toyota is large in Japan but has limited presence in India. Maruti Suzuki is large in India...With Suzuki we will explore the possibilities of BEVs (in India)”.
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We will start with a compact BEV at an early stage....Since we are working (on it) with Suzuki, I cannot share the timeline
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Toyota also confirms new BEV will arrive in 2021 and be brought along with Maruti.

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this new EV, which will be co-developed with Maruti Suzuki and will share its platform and powertrain with the upcoming Wagon R-based electric hatchback, is expected to be launched in India in 2021.
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Suzuki is to produce EVs for the Indian market and will supply some to Toyota, while Toyota is to provide technical support
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Maruti Suzuki’s Wagon R EV is expected to be launched in 2020 and will be priced quite aggressively as it will be able to avail of significant subsidies under the government’s FAME II scheme, given that it will be made in India. The all-electric Wagon R is expected to have a real-world range of about 130km on a single charge and will support standard AC and DC fast-charging.
Toyota’s version of the Wagon R EV is still sometime away and may not launch as soon as the Maruti.


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I loved their Etios Platinum and Liva cars. Hopefully they do not discontinue them and bring the Dzire and Swift with Toyota Brand.

Eagerly awaiting facelifts of Etios Platinum.
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Maruti Suzuki is looking at bigger SUV's eyeing ‘upgraders’ buying sports utility vehicles and multipurpose vehicles that cost up to ₹ 20 lakh upgrades.

- In an alliance with Toyota, Maruti Suzuki will be targeting the Hyundai Creta space with a midsize SUV in 2022

- The vehicle will be based on the current Brezza architecture

- A C-segment MPV in 2023 is also planned

- Both Vehicles will be built at Toyota’s factory in Bidadi

- The SUV and MPV under development are likely to have distinct characteristics or differentiation to ensure that both companies gain from India’s growing preference for utility vehicles.

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Sorry but couldnt stop commenting on the joke of sharing cars. Kia will get block buster designs in small suv,muv,sedan,and hatch; tata will be designing some good cars, even renault will update their productline with eye catchy designs, but suzuki and Toyota will share same shitty cars , factories, parts, management, attitude etc.. god knows why people even want to consider these companies anymore.
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That's one good way to beat the "downturn" Toyota dispatches cars to Maruti and vice versa and that would make good numbers and take care of the numbers whether they get buyers or not is another question!
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Toyota Kirloskar to enter compact SUV (Vitara Brezza) , MPV (Ertiga) market in 2020-21.

Suzuki Vitara Brezza badged compact SUV likely in the second half of 2020, to be followed (12 - 18 months post the SUV launch) by a compact MPV.

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Last year, Etios and Liva accounted for a monthly volume of about 2,000 units, which over a period of time has been compensated by Glanza (a rebadged Maruti Suzuki Baleno)that averaged around 2,200 units a month. The SUV and MPV, sourced from Suzuki, could help expand volumes multi-fold.
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Toyota Kirloskar to enter compact SUV( Vitara Brezaa) , MPV( Ertiga) market in 2020-21.

Suzuki Vitara Brezza badged compact SUV likely in the second half of 2020, to be followed( 12 - 18 months post the SUV launch) by a compact MPV.
Wow. Does it take so long to just replace the 'S' badges with 'T' badges?

Anyway, such gimmicks from Toyota and Suzuki mean only one thing. The companies stand to win due to higher volumes, but the consumers stand to lose as apart from the badge, there is little to differentiate between the products.

This is worse than MG rebadging Baijoun as Hector

What next? Same showrooms and service centers?
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So, this is what the mighty Toyota has come down to? Selling Suzuki cars. Aren't they following Honda? Once-mighty Honda did just this. From selling desirable Civic, Accord and CRVs to Brios, Amazes. At least Honda sold its own cars unlike the badge-swap Toyota is indulging in.

Meanwhile, Koreans are going all guns blazing. Chinese are readying to be airdropped. And, the Japanese are turning off the lights and going to bed. First, Mitsubishi, then Nissan, then Honda and now Toyota? Their bread and butter Innova is under threat and they need some new cars to keep their head above water. And, they are clutching at Suzuki's straw. And, Suzuki itself appears clueless. They couldn't get Fiat to BS6 their diesels. Result? The cab-market's first choice, Dzire diesel, will be gone. So will major chunk of Swift / Ciaz and all of diesel-only Brezza/S-Cross. Replacement petrol-only Brezza/S-cross will have a 4-speed AT? Really, Maruti? I will stick my neck out here and say, Indian brands Tata and Mahindra are more aggressive than these Japanese.
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I am disappointed that Toyota decided to just rebadge and resell Ertiga instead of bringing their own Rush 7-seater model with full set of safety features. The press release says "“We believe that important alliances such as ours, will pave the way for introduction of competitive and cutting-edge products and technologies in India, giving customers varied choices of products to meet their ever-growing expectations. ...". I think what they are doing is actually quite opposite, the choices are now less.
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Let me be the devil's advocate here- I believe there is more to it than meets the eye...
I had written about this 7 months back.

ET Prime has today put up a 2 part series on the Toyota-Suzuki alliance (membership reqd, if you really want to read these, DM me with your email ID). These articles clear up a lot of speculation floating in this thread. Some assumptions true, others are not.

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What the Toyota deal could drive home for Maruti: new tech, African markets, some transition pain

“We study the past to understand the present. We understand the present to guide the future.”

These wise words from historian William Lund could come in handy for 87-year-old Osamu Suzuki as he drives on with Shoichiro Toyoda, 92. In October 2016, when the Suzuki Motor chairman announced that he has agreed to “proceed with discussions for the future of Suzuki”, the market saw a long-term partnership with Toyota Motor Corporation, controlled by the Toyoda family. With those words, Osamu Suzuki seems to
have handed over his company for safekeeping to the Toyodas. And rightly so.

Four years on, Suzuki is now part of Toyota-affiliated companies that include Mazda, Subaru, and Daihatsu. Worldwide, these companies together sell around 16.5 million vehicles annually. Three years after announcing the partnership, in 2019 Toyota took a 5% stake in Suzuki. If one takes into account Suzuki’s partnership with General Motors in the 2000s, it is safe to assume that Toyota will raise its stake in multiple tranches. The
company has increased its stake in Subaru from 8.7% in 2005 to 20% in 2019 in tranches.....
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This is a long-term relationship which will slowly unravel over the next seven-10 years. After a decade, there might be only one channel for sales and service in India selling both Toyota and Maruti Suzuki vehicles. The partnership’s India play could spill over to African and other low-income markets in the long run. “Japanese take their own time. You can’t be impatient with them, it’s a very cultural thing,” Chattopadhyay points out.


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Network, localisation, pricing keep Maruti unchallenged. Amid slowdown, rivals sit on the fence.

Shashank Srivastava, head, sales and marketing at Maruti, says 70% of Indian households don’t have the income to afford even low-cost cars. Because of the inequality, a large part of the GDP growth goes to the top 1% of the households. But they won’t buy 10 cars even if they can afford them. They buy two or three. Essentially, the income growth of the 5%-30% of the population will drive car sales, he says.

and why EVs have an uphill struggle in India India has 15 crore drivers and only 8,000 want electric cars
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Toyota to replicate Maruti Suzuki India’s ‘low cost’ model.

- Toyota may tap suppliers of Maruti Suzuki for some new models

- Toyota has parted ways with some of its vendors to accommodate those of Maruti Suzuki's suppliers.

-to include joint sourcing of components as part of a strategy to cut costs, especially for their full hybrid offerings

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Toyota to replicate Maruti Suzuki India’s ‘low cost’ model.
Expect to see lot more re-badged cars on the 'Heart-attack' platform which is a low cost and nil safety platform
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Toyota to replicate Maruti Suzuki India’s ‘low cost’ model.

- Toyota may tap suppliers of Maruti Suzuki for some new models

- Toyota has parted ways with some of its vendors to accommodate those of Maruti Suzuki's suppliers.

-to include joint sourcing of components as part of a strategy to cut costs, especially for their full hybrid offerings


Try to cut down costs for full hybrids.

But please don't forego old suppliers for Maruti ones.

Don't want Toyota to have interiors rattling within weeks or have components removed aggressively in the pursuit of low weight.

Trying to put aside the Baleno fiasco, and the upcoming Brezza/ Ertiga ones as temporary ones that will pass with time.

But, as they say. It's business. Purely business.

Maruti knows what most Indians want, it works.
Toyota is going to try it's hand too.
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Toyota to replicate Maruti Suzuki India’s ‘low cost’ model.
- Toyota may tap suppliers of Maruti Suzuki for some new models
What's there to replicate now? Toyota guys, just get new vendors who can supply large numbers of Toyota logos! There is big basket of models in Maruti stable that you can paste them on.

And the funniest part is their plans of new models based on low cost model of Maruti, what are these going to be made of, aluminium foil? I hope someone drill sense into Toyota not to destroy their reputation for short term profits. It's appaling to think a company like Toyota can even imagine such stuff.

We need to find the 'supplier' of the think tanks at Toyota India, let's also have 'vision'!
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