[technofunky]

Originally Posted by Born 2 Be Wild

15 years validity in delhi ncr petrol or cng does not matter.

Typical sad state for common middle class citizen of this country who is squeezed from every corner for taxes.

Because of some waste of spermatozoa who don't buy Insurance with their bikes, government has made it 5 years mandatory Insurance making a mere Activa touch 1 lakh rupees.

One sexual assault, entire nation gets a blanket ban on sun control films.

Middle class working people who buy vehicles on loans that have a typical 4-5 tenure have to make sure EMIs are paid on time, try defaulting on one EMI, phone calls and recovery agents will land up at your place.

[Born 2 Be Wild]

Originally Posted by technofunky

Typical sad state for common middle class citizen of this country who is squeezed from every corner for taxes.

Well we can't do much about that can we? Except live with the law of the land.

[R_R]

Originally Posted by technofunky

Typical sad state for common middle class citizen of this country who is squeezed from every corner for taxes.

So much easier to impose a bureaucratic-style restriction, even by the courts, than to actually do something about the problem.

But curious too: is there any break-up of how much of the private vehicle business is affected by this rule? The NCR region must account for a good chunk of sales for most manufacturers, considering it is one of the most affluent regions in the country and the population density? I am assuming that most diesel private vehicles sale in NCR is badly hit (except for business people, who can probably get some tax benefit in terms of depreciation?). And if the region is significant in terms of total sales, does it affect auto manufacturers' sales/marketing strategy? More petrol options etc? Not sure I see this yet, but wondering about it.

[souvikjana83]

If pollution is the main reason to implement an order like this, then why a test is not there to determine if 15 yr old petrol and 10 yr old diesel vehicle is polluting over permissible limits.

Basically this order has been made so that people are forced to let go their cars even if they are in mint condition and they shell out more and more money to buy new cars. So that Govt can boast of people buying cars and the Auto Industry remains strong.

So much so for democracy.

[souvikjana83]

This is heartbreaking for sure. For someone to see their well maintained Hondas and Toyotas which can go on for years, they are forced to scrap their vehicle like this:

https://youtu.be/m0O5zC05yuM

Middle class people don't come in street so anarchy at its height.

[FrozeninTime]

Supreme Court has imposed a penalty of 8 lakhs on petitioners questioning validity of of NGT ruling banning 10 year old diesel and 15 year old petrol cars. The Judges have also said no further PIL on this topic will be entertained in future.

https://www-cartoq-com.cdn.ampprojec...KAGwASCAAgM%3D

[DicKy]

Originally Posted by FrozeninTime

Supreme Court has imposed a penalty of 8 lakhs on petitioners questioning validity of of NGT ruling banning 10 year old diesel and 15 year old petrol cars. The Judges have also said no further PIL on this topic will be entertained in future.

What the heck!!!

Am unaware of the legal stuff, but isn't the NGT accountable to anyone.

Pardon if am using the wrong term, but judicial over reach at its worst.

[FrozeninTime]

Originally Posted by DicKy

Am unaware of the legal stuff, but isn't the NGT accountable to anyone.

This is ruling is by Supreme Court and has closed doors on future petitions. Only a Parliament act can revoke it and government is not interested in it.

[sid3091]

Originally Posted by FrozeninTime

Supreme Court has imposed a penalty of 8 lakhs on petitioners questioning validity of of NGT ruling banning 10 year old diesel and 15 year old petrol cars. The Judges have also said no further PIL on this topic will be entertained in future.

https://www-cartoq-com.cdn.ampprojec...KAGwASCAAgM%3D

Unelected tyrants, to be honest. Their ego has inflated beyond limits and they need to be brought down to earth.

[motomaniax]

Originally Posted by sid3091

Unelected tyrants, to be honest. Their ego has inflated beyond limits and they need to be brought down to earth.

So much for collecting facts and figures and presenting a case and expecting justice. I still think until we make our voices heard in a democracy, the Government, NGT and now the courts even will continue their belief that the honest tax-paying middle-class can be trampled without any consequences. There has to be a Satyagraha started no matter how tiny. Even if 1% of the aggrieved car owners of Delhi-NCR gave a few hours of their life gathering and making our voices heard in a silent protest, it will be heard and the 'babus' will realize that they can't take the honest and unjustly treated car owners for granted. Sadly, the media has made most of us believe that expressing any resentment against the government is anti-national behaviour. The cattle must start thinking, organizing and bring them down to earth.

[thanixravindran]

I believe there is a very good case to revisit the 15 year/10 year ban with the introduction of BS6 which is one of the most stringent fuel emission norms in the world. I think in this instance the advocates tried Article 14 for equality unnecessarily which has been junked earlier citing right to life. They should have argued for restoration of full life of vehicles at least from BS6 citing stringent emission norms. We don't have enough data points but a theoretical comparative analysis should have helped the cause.

May be lawyers in the forum can chip in - aren't there review petitions available in NGT than PIL in supreme court?

[TheARUN]

What is even more sad is that I have a feeling that certain manufacturers have started making cars that would 'only last' 15 years. The plan is to make the whole design of materials as such that they will fall apart around the 15year mark. Only international models that do not face the 15 year axe would be made to 'last forever'.

What I am researching on is, in law, when you get 'life imprisonment' its not staying in jail till you die a natural death, its 14 years! When telecom companies used to sell SIMs with lifetime validity, it was actually 15 years and not your whole life! Somewhere this thought has crept in and people are OK if the life of a car is set at 15years even though this cannot be physically proved

The silver lining is that there is policy now for vintage vehicles. This by implication means that there is life after 15years

[sugam]

In babu parlance, the solution to one problem.. is another problem.

Chandigarh might ban 10-year-old diesel vehicles, in addition to other measures, to solve the congestion and parking problem!

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...w/91951487.cms

[anjan_c2007]

A very grim scenario here with such a ruling by a three judge bench who were furious with the two advocates who filed such a petition to revisit the 10/15 year old bans on private cars in the NCR. No doubt, even a four judge or a full bench can also overrule these archaic judgments, only if good sense prevails sometimes in the future.

The plea contended that the 10 and 15 years rule to deregister old vehicles is void and illegal.who had filed a plea on the issue of traffic density, air pollution and emission norms.

A three-judge bench headed by Justice L Nageswara Rao said this is not a moot court competition and dismissed the plea. The bench asked, "You have seen the order of the NGT and every other order and still you are filing this petition. Are you sure about this?"

"Two advocates who are practicing in the Supreme Court have entered into this misadventure. We warned them about this. An exemplary cost of Rs 8 lakh is imposed on the petitioner. The registry will not entertain any writ petition by the advocate," the bench also comprising Justices B R Gavai and A S Bopanna said.

To me it appears that the petition was filed at a wrong time when the Apex Court had just only a few years ago ruled to uphold the NGT ban on 10/15 year old private cars. The two lawyers could have intervened when the appeal on the NGT ruling was filed and was being argued. The points to agitate then would have been a total lack of scientific and environmental studies to objectively assess the quantum of pollutants on a scale of 100 being respectively released by each of the identified sources viz construction, generators, automobiles (private and commercial incl trucks, buses separately), stubble burning, domestic gas used in kitchens and others. At least two or more govt laboratories doing environmental studies plus the Union Environment Ministry could have been added as parties. The Apex court prayer should have been to direct these labs to conduct studies for sources of pollutants and report within a time frame. Only after availability of authentic data the Apex court could have been requested to pass appropriate orders on an equitable basis. Such a order would direct the respective govt ministries/departments in the civil suit to take measures for control.

The bureaucracy and judiciary have put the full blame on old automobiles that are purportedly responsible for the pollution in NCR. Ironically, after such a ban in 2016, the winters of 2017, 18, 19 and most of all 2021 saw the worst smog which could have been also agitated in the latest petition.

Killing the innocent "labelled culprits" has not resolved the problem.

[The Rainmaker]

First of all with most of the vehicles post Euro III, it is the industries, power generators and agricultural burning among other things that has cause pollution at an alarming rate and NOT vehicles. As Anjan correctly pointed out, the ACTUAL pollutants should've been analyzed and banned based on the independent lab reports. But it was far easier to Target vehicles and vehicle owners since Bhartiya Janta is docile and very easy to crush knowing a rule by supreme Court will be all it takes to shut them up. Sorry state of affairs, really!

Secondly, the last time I checked we were a Democracy but only on Paper. Reality though is totally the opposite. Levying a penalty on filing a petition, just 3 or 4 brainless people deciding for the whole country and taking away their hard earned money and then any illiterate politician making any rule as he pleases and taking the whole country for a ride ain't democracy.

Communist countries like China and Russia usually have these kinds of things happening but even then everything is analyzed before a decision is given unlike here. Makes me wonder what's different in our country? I thought we didn't like the British ruling us, but now the Babus are. At least the British were educated and gave us brilliant infrastructure among other things. The Babus are just going backwards and taking away our free will.

Democracy stands for free will and free choices. No one has the right to force anyone to give up their personal belongings just because they 'feel' like it is polluting the atmosphere without a proof to back up the claims relative to other pollutants. I mean someone has invested their hard earned money in a vehicle, who's gonna pay for the remaining value of those vehicles after 10 years or 15 years? Will the supreme Court pay the price for the remaining life of the vehicle? Let's see the government stand up to that.

We're no longer a democracy. If we look around with people being jailed for just expressing their true feelings and such rules, that's NOT democracy. What happened to Freedom of Speech?