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I'm well aware of the risk I took. Got a mod warning for it too. ![]() Forums are meant to be heated. I don't mind that. Not the only enthusiast forum I'm on. See, its not Suzuki I have a problem with. It's Maruti. Suzuki will profit with better cars too and Japs are honorable businessmen, to say the least. Never seen a emission scandals on them *wink. I've grown up around Maruti and seeing the sad state of its current affairs, I am just an injured fanboy. I remember traversing Himachal roads in an 800. So much fun. Same here, the only suzuki I'll pick in the entry level is the Celerio. Clean and simple car. It doesn't try to be something its not. As for the other comments, we all are here to voice our opinions. Try not to start the blame game and just accept it. At the mods, apologies that I went out of hand in a few places. Just the frustration of an enthusiast. ![]() | |
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Today, out on the highways, we see all varieties of cars. It's not always the WagonR, Kwids and Altos involved in accidents but even much superior cars fall victims to bad drivers (or sheer bad luck). A Nano is as capable a long distance tourer as the person driving it. It is up to the driver to know the car's capabilities and remain within those limits. Quote:
![]() PS: I own a WagonR k10 which has done 86k kms, including several long highway drives. And no it is not perfect for the highways! Coming to the S-Presso, the first one I saw was a red one with lot of chrome bits and I hated it. The second one I saw was a black one and it looked very smart! In the right colors, it does look good. Last edited by ashis89 : 8th November 2019 at 11:31. | ||
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Please find attached link for your reference: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8485051.html Cheers! |
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Cars have gotten expensive over time and in India, owning two cars is a luxury most cannot afford. Totally agree to your point. But it doesn't mean we buy mediocre stuff. That was proven when the Estillo came out. It sold for the mechanicals but was forgotten within a year. This is probably just another one of those. The difference being, it has a bigger hype. About the 800, while worse mechanically and on the safety parameters, had a better aerodynamic structure and a heavier chassis which planted it. The S-presso, loses out here. Everyone defends this car by saying take a test drive and floor it on the highway, but as someone who studies cars, it's easy to see the problems even without a TD. I did accompany a friend for its test drive for everyone saying I have an armchair opinion. As for the black shade, every car looks good in black. ![]() This is my last comment for the S-presso. Jay out! Peace! Quote:
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You move up in the price segment, and you can buy better hatches. You can even buy a Mini Cooper. But not all are cash-rich. 4 lakh is a big money for many. How do you know the engine characteristics, transmission, steering feedback, NVH levels etc without a TD? The maximum you can infer is about its cornering abilities by seeing a higher center of gravity. Judging a car by its looks is the most foolish assessment. Last edited by ajmat : 8th November 2019 at 14:07. Reason: Removing the "as you" comment, it sounds too personal | |
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Hello Jay, welcome to the forum! I see that you've joined recently and already setting threads on fire! Please don't mistake me, I tell this in a good way. "Mediocrity" is a broad term that is used very loosely by most of us. Broaden your horizon and take a look at cars below INR 20L sold in India for a moment, you will find many that are "mediocre" as per your explanation. Quote:
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Though you are a part of other enthusiast forums, thank you for putting the effort and doing us a favour by jumping aboard this forum ![]() I am curious, since you say you study cars. Help me understand, because anyone who is a member of this forum, became approved to be one because they study cars too. Or do you mean you are academically/professionally into dissecting automobile engineering? If you are an academic/professional who research automobiles, we would be grateful and lucky enough to understand your points as to why Spresso disgusts you, and what inference you have made to conclude Spresso to be a technically inferior product, so much that Maruti is doing a blasphemy to Indian car buyer? But if your study of cars is similar to plenty others in this forum, which goes by pure common sense, these are the points that anyone would come up with, as reasons why they dislike Spresso: 1. Looks 2. Proportions that makes it an aerodynamic disaster - high CoG, smaller tyres - a lot of chance for a roll over, or at least, increased body roll- inferior handling characteristics around corners 3. Lack of 5* safety - wafer thin panels, Maruti's infamous structurally unstable platform Now let me shed some of my understanding about the segment Spresso is placed in. A segment, which currently consists of Maruti Alto, K10, Spresso Renault Kwid Hyundai Santro Datsun Redigo Tata tiago Tell me which of these is a 1. Aerodynamically efficient 2. Breathtakingly beautiful 3. Safe Gorgeous Kwid/ premium Santro look good but are unsafe (GNCAP says). Redigo is going to be an orphan without an A.S.S. Tiago is pretty, built strong (doesn't mean it is safe, ex- Strongly built nano, scored 0 stars), and the petrol engine isn't as accomplished as the Maruti's, and Tata A.S.S and QC are something people would rather avoid. Who is an A segment buyer? Someone graduating from a two wheeler, with a very limited budget, who wants something that can seat 4. He isn't ready to spend much on service and spares. He isn't ready for breakdowns and niggles. He isn't taking it to Buddh or MMRT to burn the rubber. He wants something that is cheap to acquire and run, can work flawlessly for years to come and has a pretty strong A.S.S backing it up. This is why Maruti wins the cheap A/B segment game. You cannot expect Maruti to give you a car with European looks and build, Japanese reliability, Italian handling characteristics, Korean features at a 4 lakh OTR price. Well, none of the automobile manufacturers provide such a car. We need to blame all companies if we have to. It is not that Maruti is demanding a Skoda money and giving us a Maruti. Maruti is doing what any business entity does. Gauge the customer need, satisfy it and make profit out of it. Simple! I am no ways related to Maruti nor am I it's fanboy. I support Spresso here because it does what it intends to do. It completely satisfies a first time car buying non-enthusiast who finds it beautiful and doesn't care about what others think of him driving one. Maruti doesn't care about enthusiasts. Those who proclaim to be enthusiasts can save up enough money to buy enthusiast cars(definitely nothing from A segment) or go the pre-owned route. Just lashing out on an entry level car just for its looks and handling characteristics is absurd. If you believe tall boy structures are life threatening, say hi to so many people like me, who have been throwing 2 tonne, tall, aerodynamic blunders like the Safari/Scorpio around corners for decades now. We are all alive and well ![]() Last edited by PrasannaDhana : 8th November 2019 at 14:24. Reason: Adding points | |
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Even though this might be off topic, I'm interested in knowing what car you're planning to pick. Which segment are you planning? |
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| ![]() New_Kid_Jay You are welcome to voice your opinions on this forum which is what makes threads interesting. But when you voice your opinions with several like minded people waiting to voice theirs, expect some healthy discussions and difference of opinions. People who do not accept your opinions will not just shake their heads after reading, but will pin down a reply to counter. How else will they agree/disagree?? |
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Distinguished - BHPian ![]() ![]() | ![]() Its okay fellows, he said he is done with his comments. All may not agree to his thought process & its okay on a forum. Let's not continue an argument anymore. He is new in the group & we want members to only continue & grow. Let's not take it off topic further. Only misunderstandings will grow. Peace ![]() === So I saw a few new WagonR LXis recently & their ORVMs are the saddest thing I saw over last few months in all fields of my life. They literally pushed me into depression while driving. My Alto gets good mirrors. The old gen WagonR also got good ORVMs in LXi trim. What is with the new one! It looks smaller than the one on Nano to me. Totally disproportionate for the car. Its as if we have an ORVM spectrum with WAGONR LXi at the lowest end and Harrier at the other! Everything else in the middle is good! Anyone seen that on the LXi SPresso? Is it the same unit? Or a different one? I'm not able to see it properly anywhere in pictures yet. |
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| ![]() @Prasannadhana. I agree with you on almost all points. Let me add my view points in response to the enthusiastic people. 1. Looks of a car . Totally useless to me. I am sitting inside the car. The cars next to me on the road need to be beautiful. There is a crude analogy about the irrelevance of the looks of a woman when the lights are off, but I will refrain. 2. A segment cars bought by new buyers. Not really. When I looked at my latest car, I considered all the way from INNOVA to GO PLUS. Cost was not an issue. Will the car help me make my life easier by suiting my requirements..is the issue. I may have a thousand rupees to spend on breakfast, but I really just want to eat 4 iddlys. Just because I have money does not mean I HAVE to eat pizza in the morning. Just because I eat iddly does not mean I am poor. I am a human, I have needs. Car is a tool. Will the tool serve my needs? 3. Safety . 90% of safety is related to safe driving practices. Anyone who crosses 80 kmph on the highway is playing with fire no matter which car. Agreed that A segment cars are flimsy. But we can compensate for its build by driving safely. All cars in my opinion should be driven with extreme caution. India is a mobocracy. If you strike an other person in their local area you are done for. Nomatter if he was coming on the wrong side, drunk. If you don't understand the reality of the tribal country you are living in, may god help you. 4. A segment cars are bare bones. Yes ... And it is wonderful!!! If someone gifts me a merc E or bmw 7 , I would honestly sell it to someone and buy a simple car. Who wants to deal with all the complications of a behemoth? In city traffic an autorickshaw can keep up with a ferrari. On the highway it is ILLEGAL and unsafe to drive at high speeds. Having these "enthusiastic" cars are illogical. 5. Spresso has small wheels. So does the train I take to go to Pollachi. What is your point ? Why would I want massive wheels intruding into my footwell and boot reducing the space? Seriously... what is all this fuss about the wheels? Stop looking at the car for how it looks and start looking at it for what it does. Personally I find big wheeled cars fugly. 6. High center of gravity.... Yes... Some of us know how to slow down when taking corners. Those who don't understand the laws of physics can....well it is a self correcting problem. As prasanna mentioned, we want a ferrari but want to pay cycle price and pretend that we are driving in Germany. All delusional expectations. Last edited by rrnsss : 8th November 2019 at 16:17. |
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Absolutely, but then, there is no growth without a debate. ![]() There is nothing in a forum to get offended about. As Ben Shapiro says "Facts don't care about feelings". We are all sharing our individual perspective of what we believe are facts. We need not be offended when some one else's perspective isn't in line with ours. ![]() Last edited by PrasannaDhana : 8th November 2019 at 16:19. |
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| ![]() The small SUV`s discussion has run into page 44, incredible. I`m happy to see it succeed in the market as well (for now). We welcomed Ecosport, why not this? what`s so different here? is it the Maruti badge? Safety is moving from 2 wheels and having to balance 2 kids and wife on a scooter \ bike to a 4 wheeled enclosed automobile called car \ suv \ whatever you wish to call it. SUV is in trend, Maruti will be stupid not to have one in their Portfolio that would appeal to the Alto K10 buyer. Any SUV body style is perceived to be upmarket \ trendy than its equivalent priced sedan \ hatch - For now. I know plenty of people who talk about safety, buy stuff with 6 airbags that has no room for people with legs and then leave it at home, zip through traffic without helmet in a scooter! Humans (with high center of gravity in themselves) are pretty interesting creatures. |
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Senior - BHPian ![]() | ![]() I think, other than the toothed grille and thin, tiny wheels, the S-Presso is alright to look at. I tried to place a regular grille on it and here is the result. A bit simple, but, IMHO, it looks less polarising now. |
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