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Considering the fact that apart from a few good highways in Gujurat or Bombay Pune expressway, most highways in India are not safe for speed in excess of 120 kmph.
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Exactly!! Even in the 70 kph - 90 kph window - which is a matter of fact on most typically Indian highways - the Hybrid will be woefully incapable. I'll tell you why : Trucks & luxury buses (especially!) regularly cruise at 60 - 80 kph. Thus, on a regular Indian highway, you need to overtake them atleast at a speed of 10 - 20 kph more. Good luck with doing that in a CVT + a 1.3 liter petrol on what is a pretty large car! Don't forget, CVTs are the worst tranny to have in such a situation (ask any NHC CVT owner) with their rubberband effect anyways. And then, you have that puny 1.3 engine. Thus, the Hybrid is not suited for either expressway driving NOR Indian 2 lane highway driving. Sure, I see the sense in buying a 16.5 lakh car that can be used ONLY in the city.
BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT the point of my argument is : For a Civic Hybrid, we are paying 1.0 - 1.5 lakhs MORE for the performance + efficiency of a entry level C segment sedan. My question to you is
: Why pay 1.5 lakhs more for substandard performance AND 12.5 kpl? Heck, PAY 8 LAKHS LESS for the same thing. Honda has some sweet deals running on the outgoing NHC & the NHC Vtec. One of these cars will match / exceed the Civic hybrid on efficiency, the other will leave it dead on performance and still give ya about the same efficiency with a light foot.
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Originally Posted by aseem It changes ppls perception. Its definitely a good tag to be associated with. |
Great to hear that you care about people perceptions of yourself. I buy a car for my own pleasure / utility, not because of what people will think of me.
Don't get me wrong; I appreciate Honda R&D'ing toward newer technologies. However, the Civic Hybrid is a flawed technology compared to even the Prius. The Prius EXCLUSIVELY uses its electric motor below the speed of 40. Thus, in our bumper to bumper traffic, it is the most ideal (and silent). Compare that to the Civic Hybrid which, in a drive from Churchgate to Shivaji Park, will stop & start the petrol engine about 75 times. Annoying and terribly inconvenient if you ask me. There is a reason why the Prius outsells the Civic Hybrid 10 : 1. Honda has publicly accepted their folly (almost) and has vowed to fight back with a exclusively hybrid model range.
"Advanced Technology" yada yada sounds brilliant. What we have to ask is : How RELEVANT is this advanced technology to us? Its not like the Civic Hybrid is giving you 30 kpl and nor is it flying from Juhu to Nariman Point. What it does give you is performance that cars costing 1/3 the price will give you. And efficiency that cars costing 1/2 as much will exceed. Frankly, I think the Civic Hybrid is the most pointless car you can buy in that segment. Why?
If you want efficiency : Get a diesel. It will be faster, more efficient and FAR cheaper to own than a Hybrid. There's also many petrols which will beat the Hybrids efficiency at a fraction of the price.
If you want power : Umm, next question please.
BTW, I can name SEVERAL CHEAPER diesel / petrol cars that will beat the Civic Hybrid on performance PLUS efficiency (a combination of both)!
If you want the goodies : I see some comments on the Hybrids 6 airbags and rear "lip" spoiler. A Toyota Altis has a better spec list than the Hybrid, starting with the electric lumbar support & the HID headlamps + washers. And then, you have cars like the Laura etc.
If you want to go green: : Buy a small diesel, or a smaller – inherently more efficient – hatch / sedan. You could also buy the Reva.
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However in ideal conditions one rearly goes above 4k RPM even when doing spirited driving…..
There I dont see a Getz reaching 100 kmph faster than Hybrid in ideal on road conditions……
Its more likely the Getz driver reaches 100 in 5th gear, by that time the hybrid thanks to its in gear accerlation would be miles ahead.
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Firstly, the Getz can touch a 100 in 3rd gear not 5th. Second, if the Getz is faster to the 100, how does the Hybrids in-gear help it reach 100 faster? Lastly, if you think that the Getz is debatable, I can list atleast 10 more cars – costing ˝ or 1/3 the price – that will leave the hybrid for dead.
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Originally Posted by sidwadia Have you personally experienced this tortoise pace in the hybrid ? if yes , then i will have to accept it ! if not , I would go by swale84's post (#154)on the low end torque. |
Sid, I am the kind of a guy who will run for a test even when a new LPG variant of the 800 is launched. Yes, I have driven the hybrid Civic albeit on a short drive.
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Secondly , no where in your calculations have you taken into account the savings on the 17 free services incld. consumables.
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Point accepted.
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the article on "Hypermiling" surely indicates potential to go above & beyond.
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Some practices of hypermiling are outright dangerous!! Plus, you want to buy a 16.5 lakh car and hypermile / drive with the sole point of fuel efficiency? When there are other (cheaper) cars that do it better? And cheaper cars - with hypermiling - will beat the Civic by a "mile" on kpl bragging rights.
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Originally Posted by Ym-enjn I totally agree with you. Then why all the Civic enthus always talk of high revving the Civic? Where do they go , Malaysia? Race track.. |
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Originally Posted by Ym-enjn That is the funniest thing I have read on this thread so far (high rev at 60kmph) |
Does every Porsche owner have to drive @ 320 kph to appreciate performance? I hope you understand that its not necessary to enjoy a fast car only at ridiculous speeds. The Vtec is a lot of fun even at 80 kph, just as a gokart is mega @ 40 kph. Even the Yamaha RX100, wont go over 100 kph, is a blast to ride at speeds at low as 50 kph.
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Originally Posted by Path_Finder Now coming to the point I want to make:
Barring a few handful on these enthusiasts, 99% of all those who buy Civic buy it do not buy it for the above reason. |
Agreed. Precisely why I posted (on the Altis thread) that though I love the Civic more, I will recommend the Altis more.