ALL RISE! Toyota Landcruiser coming to India EDIT: Launched at 81 lakhs

DKG · 30th January 2009, 22:26

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Originally Posted by dipen

When a car is meant to be exported, one does not have to pay any local tax , VAT in the country from where the car is exported

Could you possibly throw light on why the LC200 (even if full spec) should cost 92lacs? The LHD car in Dubai at best would be Rs 20 lacs max

If its not for taxes how does one explain the markup?

316kmph · 30th January 2009, 22:39

The Land Cruiser is probably the most dependable car in the world especially if u want to go from A to B. It has got the least warranty claims in the last 15 years compared to similar vehicles by far. The least breakdowns by far as well. No wonder why the United Nations has bought 12000 Land Cruisers in the last 5 years i.e 46 cars a week!!!! Now how many Range Rovers or Patrols or HMMWVs have been sold to an organization that works more in under developed countries than in developed ones????

The Range Rover may (or may not) be slightly more capable, it is this rugged product from the Japanese auto major that most would depend on especially when u need to make your own road.

The top of the range Sahara trim comes loaded with goodies. 10 airbags, 28 vent 4 zone Automatic AC, and so on. It could cost around Rs 65 - 75 lakhs.

Would love to see the 4.5 L, 290 PS V8 diesel. However, there is no V8 diesel engine in car in India. When i checked about the Q7 4.2V8TDi, Audi said bad fuel quality means no V8 for India. Same for the ML 420 CDi from Mercedes and ditto for the last gen BMW 7 with the 745d. Unless we are lucky, we would have to settle for the 293PS 4.7 V8 or 388 PS 5.7 V8 PETROL engines.

Another bad thing, only 5 speed & 6 speed autoboxes are available with the above engines. A 5 speed manual option will be available only in select regions on a 235PS 4 L V6 (same engine as Prado). Trust me it is terrible to drive an automatic off road (read as hard-core off road)

SAD!

GTO · 31st January 2009, 11:57

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Originally Posted by DKG

Could you possibly throw light on why the LC200 (even if full spec) should cost 92lacs? The LHD car in Dubai at best would be Rs 20 lacs max

If its not for taxes how does one explain the markup?

DKG, considering that your friend bought the LC200 when it was fresh in the market, he's paid a premium for it. I hear LC 200s are changing hands for 75 lakh now. Are you certain about the 20 lakh price in Dubai? What about RHD....how much would they cost?

DKG · 31st January 2009, 12:36

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Originally Posted by GTO

DKG, considering that your friend bought the LC200 when it was fresh in the market, he's paid a premium for it. I hear LC 200s are changing hands for 75 lakh now. Are you certain about the 20 lakh price in Dubai? What about RHD....how much would they cost?

The starting price for the LC200 apparently (according to Parm in Dubai) is Dhs 140000+(Rs 16.3 lacs). Even with full specs I reckon it won't be more than Rs 20 lacs. No reason why a RHD should be priced too diff from the LHD's sold in UAE.

So officially if Toyota is bringing the car in why should it shoot to beyond 60 lacs?

Steeroid · 31st January 2009, 13:56

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Originally Posted by GTO

Are you certain about the 20 lakh price in Dubai? What about RHD....how much would they cost?

Starts around Dhs.150k (base), which is approx Rs.19.5 lakhs (rates are much higher now, DKG - I got close to 13.5 to the dirham a couple of weeks back, so I've taken 13 even though the actual rate is slightly higher).

-GT- has one of the fully specced GXRs which comes with the built-in winch and other bells and whistles. He should be able to confirm how much the fully specced version costs. Cant be more than 225k (Rs29.5 lakhs), I would think.

Pajeros are mostly favoured by the desi crowd here. Our people associate some kind of 'image' with the Pajero name - as one of my collegues said "Saying you own a 'Pajero' when you get back home gives you more 'respect' than it would with a Jag". Slightly weird kind of thought - why would you buy something here to get respect there? But hey to each own!

BTW Pajeros are going REALLY cheap in Oman - many have crossed the border to place an order for the 3.0 at Dhs65k and the 3.8 at about 75-80k.

GTO · 31st January 2009, 14:03

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

Starts around Dhs.150k (base), which is approx Rs.19.5 lakhs (rates are much higher now, DKG - I got close to 13.5 to the dirham a couple of weeks back, so I've taken 13 even though the actual rate is slightly higher).

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Cant be more than 225k (Rs29.5 lakhs), I would think.

The base at 19.5L is diesel or petrol? By itself, I am sure there's nothing base about it (air-con, all power etc.). Deduct local Dubai taxes, add 110% customs duty, octroi, LTT etc. etc. and we are still looking at what? 53 - 56 lakhs in total! Wanna send some over, Steer?

Steeroid · 31st January 2009, 14:10

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Originally Posted by GTO

The base at 19.5L is diesel or petrol?

We only drink Petrol here. 4.7 V8. The 5.5 V8 is only for the Lexus

If you want Diesel you can pick up the BASE (and this is REALLY base - has almost nothing in it) LR Defender at 155k, which goes up to 210k for the one with 'frills'.

So you see the LC is truly VFM.

sandeepmdas · 31st January 2009, 14:10

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

Our people associate some kind of 'image' with the Pajero name - as one of my collegues said "Saying you own a 'Pajero' when you get back home gives you more 'respect' than it would with a Jag". Slightly weird kind of thought - why would you buy something here to get respect there?

As you know most probably, your collegue wont get 'decent' respect in any Spanish-speaking land, Amigo!

10 Most Unfortunate Car Names - Oddee.com

Sorry for OT, mods.

Yeldo · 31st January 2009, 14:19

LC200 is Japan made, and it retails at 4.7- 5.4m JPY there, ie, approximately 25-26 to 29- 30L for the Petrol V8. I'm not sure, but it might include a 5% consumption tax which an export vehicle might be exempted from.

In the UK, where the VAT is at 17.5%, LC200 retails at GBP55k, which is roughly Rs. 40L with VAT. There the LC 200 is sold in Diesel form.

In South Africa, another major LC200 market, they sell both petrol & Diesel versions. There it is ZAR 827 600 (petrol V8) and ZAR 863 400 (Diesel) making it between 40- 42L inclusive of 14%VAT.

In Australia, top spec "Sahara" grade petrol costs AUD 100,000 and Diesel at AUD 110,000 making it between Rs. 32L & 35L. Australia has a high tax on vehicles, as it chargest GST upto AUD57,123 and a 33% Luxury Car Tax above it. For export vehicles, there might be some refund.

In the UAE, it is the "Land Cruiser Station Wagon" in 4.0L V6 & 4.7L V8 petrol and 4.5L Diesel engines. The UAE dealer is Al Futtaim, and I wonder car prices in the UAE/ GCC could be wished for anywhere else.

I am not exactly sure about the VAT / Tax rates, but only on a "to the best of my knowledge" basis.

BTW, JPY = Japanese Yen, ZAR = South African Rand and AUD = Australian Dollar.

I was quoted Rs 95L for a Diesel brand new one in Bombay by a dealer some 2 months back.

srishiva · 31st January 2009, 22:59

The new LC has less GC, approach and departure angles.

FlyingSpur · 31st January 2009, 23:08

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Originally Posted by GTO

They also plan to build the Camry locally (read : taking the Accord head-on).

Talk about good news. Someone simply forgot to send them a memo earlier.

absynthguzzler · 1st February 2009, 00:03

I don't think the prices of Cars can be compared to any other country other than the Origin of the Manufacturer. If my memory serves me right , the rule in India is that CBU's can only be imported from the "Birth place" of the brand.There is supposed to be a rule change in the pipeline where in a CBU can be brought in from neighbouring countries that manufacture the product.

So this could probably explain the costing in India.Compare Toyota/Honda vehicle pricing to ones in Japan only and so on .

Also include shipping and what not from such far away regions,duties,5-6%min added return and you might end up with whats being quoted here.

GTO · 1st February 2009, 20:19

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Originally Posted by absynthguzzler

If my memory serves me right , the rule in India is that CBU's can only be imported from the "Birth place" of the brand.

This rule was nullified very recently.

@ Yeldo : Informative post. Thanks

-GT- · 1st February 2009, 20:47

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Originally Posted by Steeroid

Starts around Dhs.150k (base), which is approx Rs.19.5 lakhs (I've taken 13).

-GT- has one of the fully specced GXRs which comes with the built-in winch and other bells and whistles. He should be able to confirm how much the fully specced version costs. Cant be more than 225k (Rs29.5 lakhs), I would think.

In Dubai, LC200 price ranges are:

4.5 lit V8 Diesel: AED 165K to 200K (INR 21 to 26 lacs)
4.0 lit V6 Petrol - Manual: AED 145K to 175K (INR 19 to 23 lacs)
4.0 lit V6 Petrol - Petrol: AED 150K to 190K (INR 20 to 25 lacs)
4.7 lit V8 Petrol -GXR: AED 205K to 220K (INR 27 to 29 lacs)
4.7 lit V8 Petrol -VXR: AED 235K to 265K (INR 30 to 35 lacs)

-GT-

Yeldo · 1st February 2009, 21:35

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Originally Posted by -GT-

In Dubai, LC200 price ranges are:
4.7 lit V8 Petrol -VXR: AED 235K to 265K (INR 30 to 35 lacs)

-GT-

Considering even UAE prices, the current Indian market rate around 70 lacs for a V8 petrol LC200 seems reasonable, taking into account the high import duties on CBUs.

30th January 2009, 22:39	#62
316kmph BHPian Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Chennai Posts: 147 Thanked: 182 Times	The Land Cruiser is probably the most dependable car in the world especially if u want to go from A to B. It has got the least warranty claims in the last 15 years compared to similar vehicles by far. The least breakdowns by far as well. No wonder why the United Nations has bought 12000 Land Cruisers in the last 5 years i.e 46 cars a week!!!! Now how many Range Rovers or Patrols or HMMWVs have been sold to an organization that works more in under developed countries than in developed ones???? The Range Rover may (or may not) be slightly more capable, it is this rugged product from the Japanese auto major that most would depend on especially when u need to make your own road. The top of the range Sahara trim comes loaded with goodies. 10 airbags, 28 vent 4 zone Automatic AC, and so on. It could cost around Rs 65 - 75 lakhs. Would love to see the 4.5 L, 290 PS V8 diesel. However, there is no V8 diesel engine in car in India. When i checked about the Q7 4.2V8TDi, Audi said bad fuel quality means no V8 for India. Same for the ML 420 CDi from Mercedes and ditto for the last gen BMW 7 with the 745d. Unless we are lucky, we would have to settle for the 293PS 4.7 V8 or 388 PS 5.7 V8 PETROL engines. Another bad thing, only 5 speed & 6 speed autoboxes are available with the above engines. A 5 speed manual option will be available only in select regions on a 235PS 4 L V6 (same engine as Prado). Trust me it is terrible to drive an automatic off road (read as hard-core off road) SAD!
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31st January 2009, 14:19	#69
Yeldo BHPian Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Kochi Posts: 764 Thanked: 783 Times	LC200 is Japan made, and it retails at 4.7- 5.4m JPY there, ie, approximately 25-26 to 29- 30L for the Petrol V8. I'm not sure, but it might include a 5% consumption tax which an export vehicle might be exempted from. In the UK, where the VAT is at 17.5%, LC200 retails at GBP55k, which is roughly Rs. 40L with VAT. There the LC 200 is sold in Diesel form. In South Africa, another major LC200 market, they sell both petrol & Diesel versions. There it is ZAR 827 600 (petrol V8) and ZAR 863 400 (Diesel) making it between 40- 42L inclusive of 14%VAT. In Australia, top spec "Sahara" grade petrol costs AUD 100,000 and Diesel at AUD 110,000 making it between Rs. 32L & 35L. Australia has a high tax on vehicles, as it chargest GST upto AUD57,123 and a 33% Luxury Car Tax above it. For export vehicles, there might be some refund. In the UAE, it is the "Land Cruiser Station Wagon" in 4.0L V6 & 4.7L V8 petrol and 4.5L Diesel engines. The UAE dealer is Al Futtaim, and I wonder car prices in the UAE/ GCC could be wished for anywhere else. I am not exactly sure about the VAT / Tax rates, but only on a "to the best of my knowledge" basis. BTW, JPY = Japanese Yen, ZAR = South African Rand and AUD = Australian Dollar. I was quoted Rs 95L for a Diesel brand new one in Bombay by a dealer some 2 months back. Last edited by Yeldo : 31st January 2009 at 14:36.
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31st January 2009, 22:59	#70
srishiva Senior - BHPian Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bengaluru Posts: 4,375 Thanked: 2,256 Times	The new LC has less GC, approach and departure angles.
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1st February 2009, 00:03	#72
absynthguzzler BHPian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: hyderabad Posts: 651 Thanked: 245 Times	I don't think the prices of Cars can be compared to any other country other than the Origin of the Manufacturer. If my memory serves me right , the rule in India is that CBU's can only be imported from the "Birth place" of the brand.There is supposed to be a rule change in the pipeline where in a CBU can be brought in from neighbouring countries that manufacture the product. So this could probably explain the costing in India.Compare Toyota/Honda vehicle pricing to ones in Japan only and so on . Also include shipping and what not from such far away regions,duties,5-6%min added return and you might end up with whats being quoted here.
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