Nano Diesel with CRDI technology coming? EDIT: Plans scrapped for now

bullock-Car · 16th December 2009, 23:33

Recently at a seminar, there was a stall of Bosch products, and they were advertising a CRS 1.1. CRDI system, which company is developing for smaller engines (Mainly NANO). The salient features;
State of art CRDI system with
Pressures up to 1450 bar,
Power up to 36 kW
Emission : BS4 /Euro IV
Lifetime: 2 lakh kms
Modular and robust system;
FE not mentioned.
During discussion the main features were state of the art,modular and robust technology at competitive prices within reach of smaller vehicles (3 and 4 wheelers)

It is expected by Next Sept/Oct.10.

greenhorn · 17th December 2009, 07:40

any idea about the number of cylinders?

dhrishikesh · 17th December 2009, 07:48

Any idea on engine capacity & output along with number of engine cylinders ??
Is Tata is implementing Tata Ace engine for Nano CRDi ??

ranjitss · 17th December 2009, 16:05

Hyundai is also developing a 1.1 CRDI engine for i10. Is it the same engine?

ph03n!x · 18th December 2009, 00:55

A 1.1 Litre CRDi for the Nano? That too only 36kW from that mill? Maybe it is not turbo'ed

I am not sure if this engine will figure in the Nano at all - the engine is close to twice the size of the 624cc petrol that powers it. Weight is going to play havoc (wheelies, anyone?!) for one, and I dont think Tata will think of anything other than a 2 cylinder, less-than-26kW mill for Dieseling the Nano (26kW being the power output of the 624cc gas mill).

bullock-Car · 18th December 2009, 09:37

There seems to misunderstanding, the 1.1 is nomenclature for the fuel pump not for the engine size. Based on discussion with the BOSCH person the engine will be 600 CC only, the CRS 1.1 is for the type of the fuel pump (one plunger pump),which is way simpler compared to other CRDIs,while the fuel pressures are likely to be 1400 bar compared to higher fuel pressures in other systems.

neel385 · 19th December 2009, 01:08

Great and exciting news!! A Nano with a CRDI engine is an exciting proposition!!

rranjith_kum · 19th December 2009, 02:09

Yes it is !

But Bullock as far as I know Tata Nano Diesel is actually two cylinder 800 cc engine. Its being developed here near my university or maybe you heard FEV motortechnik Gmbh Germany. When I went to lab I saw it, but they said they are currently working on the calibration and this is a direct injection engine. It features a turbocharger also, I guess they are planning this variant for european market also.

People here were very tight lipped and I cant even take cameras to those places in order to grab a picture !

.anshuman · 19th December 2009, 02:16

I think the Cubic Capacity of the engine in development for Nano should be lower, if its CRDI its ought to be turbocharged as well, That may jack the prices quite a lot.

36KW = 48bhp, And a lot more torque. I dont think Tata would make the car this powerful just because of the handling issues. It surely will be detuned.

Another issue might be the heavier diesel engine might spoil the already rear heavy weight ratio. Lets keep the fingers crossed for now.

amit_mechengg · 19th December 2009, 14:21

it will be a turbo charged mill. honeywell has prepared sample turbos for the same

vijaythacker · 19th December 2009, 16:53

bosch was under preparation for giving small diesel engine for nano which was in news for quite some time.Maybe we might be able to see a module model this coming auto expo 2010 or am i asking too sooner to say that.

ramesh · 20th December 2009, 17:26

When you think Nano with Diesel engine likely to be launched?

directinjection · 20th December 2009, 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by rranjith_kum

as far as I know Tata Nano Diesel is actually two cylinder 800 cc engine.

True. The diesel Nano features a 800 CC CRDI two cylinder engine with a balancer shaft to take care of vibrations just like the petrol version has.

Here's an informative report from Economic Times

Nano to run on FEV's diesel engine- Automobiles-Auto-News By Industry-News-The Economic Times

vdiatech · 20th December 2009, 20:13

2 cyinder diesel engine !

No thanks ! I seriously doubt its performance.

Nano is good for a petrol or a battery operated car.

Does some one remember all the ratting issues that came with the indica diesel when it was launched.

Wonder how the nano's body would take a diesel engine ?

extreme_torque · 20th December 2009, 20:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdiatech

2 cyinder diesel engine !

No thanks ! I seriously doubt its performance.

Nano is good for a petrol or a battery operated car.

If a three cylinder diesel is good enough for the Fabia, I dont see why you are doubting a 2 cylinder CRDi diesel in the Nano.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vdiatech

Does some one remember all the ratting issues that came with the indica diesel when it was launched.

Wonder how the nano's body would take a diesel engine ?

Isn't that the reason why its coming with a small capacity diesel engine?

16th December 2009, 23:33	#1
bullock-Car BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 200 Thanked: 172 Times	Nano Diesel with CRDI technology coming? EDIT: Plans scrapped for now Recently at a seminar, there was a stall of Bosch products, and they were advertising a CRS 1.1. CRDI system, which company is developing for smaller engines (Mainly NANO). The salient features; State of art CRDI system with Pressures up to 1450 bar, Power up to 36 kW Emission : BS4 /Euro IV Lifetime: 2 lakh kms Modular and robust system; FE not mentioned. During discussion the main features were state of the art,modular and robust technology at competitive prices within reach of smaller vehicles (3 and 4 wheelers) It is expected by Next Sept/Oct.10.
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17th December 2009, 07:40	#2
greenhorn BANNED Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: KL-01 Posts: 7,878 Thanked: 4,910 Times View My Garage	any idea about the number of cylinders?
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17th December 2009, 07:48	#3
dhrishikesh BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Mumbai / Pune B Posts: 806 Thanked: 241 Times	Any idea on engine capacity & output along with number of engine cylinders ?? Is Tata is implementing Tata Ace engine for Nano CRDi ??
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17th December 2009, 16:05	#4
ranjitss BHPian Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Pune Posts: 86 Thanked: 0 Times	Hyundai is also developing a 1.1 CRDI engine for i10. Is it the same engine?
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18th December 2009, 00:55	#5
ph03n!x Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Coimbatore Posts: 2,604 Thanked: 6,165 Times	A 1.1 Litre CRDi for the Nano? That too only 36kW from that mill? Maybe it is not turbo'ed I am not sure if this engine will figure in the Nano at all - the engine is close to twice the size of the 624cc petrol that powers it. Weight is going to play havoc (wheelies, anyone?!) for one, and I dont think Tata will think of anything other than a 2 cylinder, less-than-26kW mill for Dieseling the Nano (26kW being the power output of the 624cc gas mill).
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18th December 2009, 09:37	#6
bullock-Car BHPian Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 200 Thanked: 172 Times	There seems to misunderstanding, the 1.1 is nomenclature for the fuel pump not for the engine size. Based on discussion with the BOSCH person the engine will be 600 CC only, the CRS 1.1 is for the type of the fuel pump (one plunger pump),which is way simpler compared to other CRDIs,while the fuel pressures are likely to be 1400 bar compared to higher fuel pressures in other systems.
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19th December 2009, 01:08	#7
neel385 BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kharagpur Posts: 530 Thanked: 430 Times View My Garage	Great and exciting news!! A Nano with a CRDI engine is an exciting proposition!!
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19th December 2009, 02:09	#8
rranjith_kum BHPian Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Coimbatore/ Aachen Posts: 692 Thanked: 21 Times View My Garage	Yes it is ! But Bullock as far as I know Tata Nano Diesel is actually two cylinder 800 cc engine. Its being developed here near my university or maybe you heard FEV motortechnik Gmbh Germany. When I went to lab I saw it, but they said they are currently working on the calibration and this is a direct injection engine. It features a turbocharger also, I guess they are planning this variant for european market also. People here were very tight lipped and I cant even take cameras to those places in order to grab a picture !
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19th December 2009, 02:16	#9
.anshuman Distinguished - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Good-Gaon Posts: 7,763 Thanked: 11,131 Times View My Garage	I think the Cubic Capacity of the engine in development for Nano should be lower, if its CRDI its ought to be turbocharged as well, That may jack the prices quite a lot. 36KW = 48bhp, And a lot more torque. I dont think Tata would make the car this powerful just because of the handling issues. It surely will be detuned. Another issue might be the heavier diesel engine might spoil the already rear heavy weight ratio. Lets keep the fingers crossed for now.
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19th December 2009, 14:21	#10
amit_mechengg Senior - BHPian Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pune Posts: 2,488 Thanked: 2,263 Times View My Garage	it will be a turbo charged mill. honeywell has prepared sample turbos for the same
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19th December 2009, 16:53	#11
vijaythacker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ahmedabad Posts: 1,499 Thanked: 75 Times View My Garage	bosch was under preparation for giving small diesel engine for nano which was in news for quite some time.Maybe we might be able to see a module model this coming auto expo 2010 or am i asking too sooner to say that.
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20th December 2009, 17:26	#12
ramesh BHPian Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: delhi Posts: 99 Thanked: 17 Times	When you think Nano with Diesel engine likely to be launched?
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20th December 2009, 20:13	#14
vdiatech BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bangalore Posts: 414 Thanked: 10 Times	2 cyinder diesel engine ! No thanks ! I seriously doubt its performance. Nano is good for a petrol or a battery operated car. Does some one remember all the ratting issues that came with the indica diesel when it was launched. Wonder how the nano's body would take a diesel engine ?
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