Palio GTX - Red beast comes home! EDIT: update @100,000 kms

planet_rocker · 5th October 2010, 18:42

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Originally Posted by JVH

Since yesterday morning, the car upon start is idling @1000 rpm. No issues during traffic stops where the idle is around 600-800 rpm.

It is only during the start irrespective of time. Is this normal?

i haven't noticed this in my car - its only during cold start that the car idles at 1000 and comes down to 850 +/-

when it idles at 1000 (assuming car is warm) -- switch off and restart - see if it occurs.

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Originally Posted by ravikn

Jayanth,

As I have noticed, based on the atmospheric temperature, the RPM will be higher if it is very cold and normal(abt 800) during summer days. I have noticed this in my car too.

i thought it had something to do with altitude?? - but then again that shouldn't be the case when the car warms up after sometime.

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Originally Posted by ravikn

Am putting 3M sound deadening product on my car. The floor part is done and am yet to get the door pads and other places to be covered. Venkatesh was busy last week. promised me to get it done this week some time.

do share some pics.

JVH · 5th October 2010, 18:53

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Originally Posted by ravikn

As I have noticed, based on the atmospheric temperature, the RPM will be higher if it is very cold and normal(abt 800) during summer days. I have noticed this in my car too.

I normally leave home @6.30am and nowadays Bangalore is cold too. So, may be this could be the reason. What surprises me is it was absolutely normal during traffic stops. This evening when I started from the office, it was again showing the idle @ 1000 rpm.

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Originally Posted by ravikn

Am putting 3M sound deadening product on my car. The floor part is done and am yet to get the door pads and other places to be covered. Venkatesh was busy last week. promised me to get it done this week some time.

Will try to get some pics and post it during this weekend.

Why on earth a sound deadening product on a GTX Ravi? Don't like the free revving Italian roar anymore?

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Originally Posted by ravikn

Will try to get some pics and post it during this weekend.

Please do.

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Originally Posted by planet_rocker

i thought it had something to do with altitude?? - but then again that shouldn't be the case when the car warms up after sometime.

Surya, what's altitude's role in this? Temperature difference?

planet_rocker · 5th October 2010, 18:58

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Originally Posted by JVH

Surya, what's altitude's role in this? Temperature difference?

Uhm! not really - i was thinking about altitude / atmospheric pressure

If it is idling at 1000 during cold start (lets say gap of 7-8 hours) - then it is normal

JVH · 5th October 2010, 19:01

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Originally Posted by planet_rocker

Uhm! not really - i was thinking about altitude / atmospheric pressure

Of course.

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Originally Posted by planet_rocker

If it is idling at 1000 during cold start (lets say gap of 7-8 hours) - then it is normal

Thought so, but wanted to check with fellow folks. Thanks!

ravikn · 5th October 2010, 21:56

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Originally Posted by JVH

Why on earth a sound deadening product on a GTX Ravi? Don't like the free revving Italian roar anymore?

Jayant,

The Sound deadening is not for the engine but for the vibrations and the external noise I hear from the outside and panels. Just thought of getting this done as am planning to keep it for few more years

JVH · 5th October 2010, 22:01

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Originally Posted by ravikn

The Sound deadening is not for the engine but for the vibrations and the external noise I hear from the outside and panels. Just thought of getting this done as am planning to keep it for few more years

Hmmm. I think I should check out the work too. When are you planning to head over to the workshop? If it works out, I'll try to come

lucifer919 · 6th October 2010, 01:18

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Originally Posted by JVH

Hmmm. I think I should check out the work too. When are you planning to head over to the workshop? If it works out, I'll try to come

Did either of you guys have any body panels repaired or replaced? if not, all FIAT cars come with the Wuerth damping already done! so why are you wanting to get it done again?

hope this helps!
Kiran.

JVH · 6th October 2010, 07:46

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Originally Posted by lucifer919

Did either of you guys have any body panels repaired or replaced? if not, all FIAT cars come with the Wuerth damping already done! so why are you wanting to get it done again?

hope this helps!
Kiran.

Kiran - I'm curious to see this work done because its first of a kind I've heard of in the GTX. I too don't know what kind of vibrations Ravi is talking about. Perhaps he can clarify.

And Kiran if I remember right yours is a relatively new car and ours have clocked more 85000 kms (Correct me if I'm wrong Ravi), so if there is something which can be useful by preventive maintenance, I see no harm in having a look at it. BTW, I may or may not go for this but can mark in the checklist when the car crosses 1 lakh mark

Ravveendrra · 6th October 2010, 10:01

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Originally Posted by ravikn

Jayant,

The Sound deadening is not for the engine but for the vibrations and the external noise I hear from the outside and panels. Just thought of getting this done as am planning to keep it for few more years

My GTX is in for denting + painting. Since it was made in 2002, I have decided to do the complete underbody treatment and go in for a 'pitch' treatment in all doors, body panels etc. Should help in preventing corrosion besides making the cabin cooler and quieter. Next on will be the sound damping sheets.

Cheers

lohithrao · 6th October 2010, 10:29

Jayant on the "idling" @ 1000 during the cold start, this is very normal, i see the same in my car too. it is to get the car to the engine to required temperature... in my OHC it used to go up to 1500 and later settle below 1000.

Underbody treatment should be good, i got it done few months back...

JVH · 6th October 2010, 10:43

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Originally Posted by Ravveendrra

I have decided to do the complete underbody treatment and go in for a 'pitch' treatment in all doors, body panels etc. Should help in preventing corrosion besides making the cabin cooler and quieter.

Cheers

Could you please enlighten us on the 'pitch' treatment plz? Is it a part of the underbody treatment?

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Originally Posted by lohithrao

Jayant on the "idling" @ 1000 during the cold start, this is very normal, i see the same in my car too. it is to get the car to the engine to required temperature... in my OHC it used to go up to 1500 and later settle below 1000.

Thanks, no issues then.

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Originally Posted by lohithrao

Underbody treatment should be good, i got it done few months back...

Did you also go for the 'pitch' treatment? And how much did it cost?

planet_rocker · 6th October 2010, 10:54

Pitch treatment is 'alkatra (in bengali)' treatment or that Tar kinda thing which is applied to arrest rust. the same is applied on roof top of houses to arrest leaks.

I have got it done in the Padmini (underbody / doors / wheel wells)

lohithrao · 6th October 2010, 10:59

Jayant, they used some imported stuff, yes it was thick black paint which was applied both under the body and also on the floor, they removed the seats and gave couple of coats...

it costed me 5k in total.

JVH · 6th October 2010, 11:43

Thanks Surya and Lohith.

Is there any ballpark figure (kms) for this treatment to be recommended? Same for Sound deadening? I guess you guys are doing for preventive measures...

My car is neither showing any visible signs of rust except maybe the silencer nor its producing any unwanted noises or rattles. So, I guess I'll hold on for a while.

lohithrao · 6th October 2010, 11:54

Jayant, my car had some rusts on the flooring etc so i got that cleaned up and got this done. it also works to cut the noise for some extent.

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lohithrao Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kudla/Mangaluru Posts: 3,204 Thanked: 225 Times View My Garage	Jayant on the "idling" @ 1000 during the cold start, this is very normal, i see the same in my car too. it is to get the car to the engine to required temperature... in my OHC it used to go up to 1500 and later settle below 1000. Underbody treatment should be good, i got it done few months back...
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6th October 2010, 10:54	#192
planet_rocker Senior - BHPian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bong-land Posts: 2,323 Thanked: 426 Times	Pitch treatment is 'alkatra (in bengali)' treatment or that Tar kinda thing which is applied to arrest rust. the same is applied on roof top of houses to arrest leaks. I have got it done in the Padmini (underbody / doors / wheel wells)
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6th October 2010, 10:59	#193
lohithrao Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kudla/Mangaluru Posts: 3,204 Thanked: 225 Times View My Garage	Jayant, they used some imported stuff, yes it was thick black paint which was applied both under the body and also on the floor, they removed the seats and gave couple of coats... it costed me 5k in total.
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6th October 2010, 11:43	#194
JVH Senior - BHPian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bangalore Posts: 1,045 Thanked: 207 Times	Thanks Surya and Lohith. Is there any ballpark figure (kms) for this treatment to be recommended? Same for Sound deadening? I guess you guys are doing for preventive measures... My car is neither showing any visible signs of rust except maybe the silencer nor its producing any unwanted noises or rattles. So, I guess I'll hold on for a while.
	() Thanks

6th October 2010, 11:54	#195
lohithrao Senior - BHPian Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kudla/Mangaluru Posts: 3,204 Thanked: 225 Times View My Garage	Jayant, my car had some rusts on the flooring etc so i got that cleaned up and got this done. it also works to cut the noise for some extent.
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