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Old 16th November 2023, 20:46   #661
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Re: 2023 Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 | Now officially revealed

Fun video to watch while on the topic



Sid confessing on the shortcomings of the LS410 is commendable really. Glad to have seen RE come this far!
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Old 16th November 2023, 20:57   #662
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Re: 2023 Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 | Now officially revealed

I have a question for you guys. Asking this out of sheer frustration but really looking forward to an answer on legal fronts.
How are we able to see videos on Youtube from Media-Reviewers invited by Royal Enfield or even other Youtubers who managed to get their Hands on the Bike Not Publically Launched yet - "Do Illegal Speeds and post it publically on Social Media Platforms", even when the bike is not launched ? Is This Something Out of Responsbility for Royal Enfield ?

Aren't bikes that are not publically released yet, Registered to Royal Enfield ? Isn't RE themselves responsible in Court of Law when an accident happens using such test vehicles on Public Roads ? (Owners are responsible, right ?).
If RE wanted someone to test top speed - RE should be able to fund Track Days ? Has it gone broken enough to allow publically testing top speed and stuff on Road ?
How are these Brands permitting these acts ? (First it was Triumph, then RE). We will soon have 600cc and higher capacity bikes where the limits will be even higher and if the Brands aren't going to patrol/regulate what is happening with thier Units, who will ?
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Old 16th November 2023, 21:14   #663
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"Do Illegal Speeds and post it publically on Social Media Platforms", even when the bike is not launched ? Is This Something Out of Responsbility for Royal Enfield ?

Aren't bikes that are not publically released yet, Registered to Royal Enfield ? Isn't RE themselves responsible in Court of Law when an accident happens using such test vehicles on Public Roads ? (Owners are responsible, right ?).

How are these Brands permitting these acts ?
I don't think RE "Permits" this, @shyam might be able to answer if they had mentioned sticking to applicable limits during the ride briefing, but then again, there's not much RE can do per se? If an untoward incident were to happen, the bike's owner, which in this case would be RE, would be a necessary party to the suit but may not be wholly responsible. It's the duty of the rider to ride safely and responsibly. Additionally, there may have been a clause in the pre-ride contracts detailing liability in this event.

I'm not condoning the rider's actions, but I'm sure each and every member on this forum, including you and I, have crossed the speed limit at some point when we felt that the road was open or clear enough to do so. How much policing can a brand really do?
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Old 16th November 2023, 21:16   #664
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I don't think RE "Permits" this, @shyam might be able to answer if they had mentioned sticking to applicable limits during the ride briefing, but then again, there's not much RE can do per se? If an untoward incident were to happen, the bike's owner, which in this case would be RE, would be a necessary party to the suit but may not be wholly responsible. It's the duty of the rider to ride safely and responsibly. Additionally, there may have been a clause in the pre-ride contracts detailing liability in this event.

I'm not condoning the rider's actions, but I'm sure each and every member on this forum, including you and I, have crossed the speed limit at some point when we felt that the road was open or clear enough to do so. How much policing can a brand really do?
My concern is more about publically posting it on open communities. Don't you think that's really bad ? It is not the act but rather the promotion of it which really bothers me.
I mean, once the bike is launched - sure RE has no controls over it as they're not law regulating Authorities. But until its their property and is being used for unlawful activities where people are publically posting video evidences of such act, isn't that something a brand should be able to strictly govern ? They issue embargo about not revealing details, etc which the youtubers strictly adhere to because they know the consequences but not overspeeding, etc ?

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My concern is more about publically posting it on open communities. Don't you think that's really bad ? It is not the act but rather the promotion of it which really bothers me.
Agreed, ideally, videos of top-speed runs and the like must only be done on closed roads. Then again, liability in this regard is moreso on the rider than on RE. Brands can't be expected to monitor journalists' every action. They can still absolve themselves of a fair amount of liability in the end but would still have some stake in the issue if something untoward were to happen. Enforcement of this should ideally be by the riders themselves and the traffic management system via speed cameras or the like.
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Re: 2023 Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 | Now officially revealed

Along the purview of the motorcycling and the lessons thus far, especially with modern day engineering which no doubt is at the top of its game, congratulations to every potential owner out there who's in the queue to get their hands first on a highly anticipated launch. But there's a blind screen with ifs and buts, taking a pragmatic step back and waiting wouldn't be a deal-breaker either, IMHO.

Considering the fever pitch and RE churning it high to meet the initial demand with zeal, there's a lot of left to observe and digest as and when ownership logs transpire and then make an informed decision/time-frame, esp with respect to initial batch niggles and the nitties.

Once again, heartfelt congratulations to the ones in queue and the ones who's a stone's-throw away in making an informed choice, either way it should be one thrilling episode to beckon with.

Cheers!
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Is this true? I was toying around the MIY app for the twins and it looks like it shows the MRP for the accessories and not a discounted price.
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I don't think you pay the difference amount. From what I've seen you pay the full accessory price, but you don't have to deal with having two seats if you buy one later or the like. Of course, RE Dealers generally provide some sort of discount on accessories and riding gear purchased from them within a certain time period of picking up the bike.
Check the MTO price for Interceptor seat option.
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While this is retail price for the same seat.
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Check the MTO price for Interceptor seat option.
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While this is retail price for the same seat.
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Ah, I missed this. Apologies, thanks for sharing!
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Re: 2023 Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 | Now officially revealed

I have always hated and criticised Royal Enfield bikes my entire life. I still remember, during final year of engineering, one of my close friends got a classic 350, took it to lavasa. Rode it one way, hated the unrefined and vibrating engine.

Years later rode the J series classic 350, difference was night and day!! Now, unable to get over the Himalayan!! Such a good looking adv, effortless tourer and from initial reviews seems to be a good city bike too. 2.9 lacs onroad for base variant possible?
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Re: 2023 Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 | Now officially revealed

New Video with Anand Raj, Product Strategy Lead, Royal Enfield.

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Re: 2023 Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 | Now officially revealed

Hello everyone, I have been following himalayan450 updates for quite some time now and recently I came across a video explaining how in the new bike engine journal bearing is used instead of roller bearing and how it's load capacity is much lesser than the latter. Experts on this matter kindly share your views on this. Link for the video as below.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzeLQeXx0sP/
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2.9 lacs onroad for base variant possible?
Two points for consideration please :-

First, few of the heads added to the ex showroom price varies from state to state. Plus BH registration (for those eligible) would be considerably cheaper.

Second, the variants are no different from each other except for the colour schemes (it has been the same with the 650s and the 350s)

Hence, it would be safer to assume the ex showroom (which is same across the country) and not the on road price. Most of the guesses are towards an ex showroom of 2.4-2.5 lakhs for the Base variant with an increment of maybe 15k each for the Pass and Summit respectively.

RE has always been known to surprise with their pricing strategy which makes their bikes VFM. So, we won't mind getting pleasantly surprised
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Old 20th November 2023, 21:11   #673
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Re: 2023 Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 | Now officially revealed

Was eagerly looking forward to this bike, but this marketing gimmick is very irritating. Im so tired of waiting for the bikes, pricing and all the noise followed by silence.

Why cant any manufacturer release the price list on the day of launch?

On a different note; if you have 1 bike garage would you go for this or an Inty 650 if the price difference is not an issue. Or wait for Scram 650?
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Was eagerly looking forward to this bike, but this marketing gimmick is very irritating. Im so tired of waiting for the bikes, pricing and all the noise followed by silence.

Why cant any manufacturer release the price list on the day of launch?
I agree, RE has pushed the whole thing too far and now itís a tiresome and irritating launch process.
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Re: 2023 Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 | Now officially revealed

Confused between this 450 and the 2024 390 Duke.

Some may rightfully say that the two bikes are not comparable but IMHO the 390 Duke can do better with just a different set of tires + I do not see myself touring a lot on either of these motorcycles.

I know that a sum of specs does not define the riding experience or the motorcycle but here're some takeaways:

Pros and Cons for RE 450:

>> High quality engine components and overall seems to be well built.
>> Seems to have a forged piston, nikasil coated cylinder, and a counterbalanced crank.
>> Usually with REs the third or fourth year in the production of a model usually has lesser niggles.
>> Kerb weight is too high (196kg). Will not be as fun to ride as any of the 390s.

Pros and Cons for 390 Duke:

>> Tried and tested engine. Years of refinement and derived from the legendary KTM LC4 690 engine. Better electronic aids etc.
>> Much better kerb weight of 164 kg. Such a weight difference usually makes a motorcycle 10 times more fun to ride!
>> Probably won't survive a crash or rough riding as well as a purpose built ADV bike will do.
>> Higher price.

390 Adventure is last generation now and comes at a much higher price so is out of the consideration. Though it too has a great kerb weight.

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