[Turbanator]

I'm assured that the steering shake while braking has been taken care of by skimming the brake discs

This should not have been done in a new vehicle at any cost

I will agree with coolboy, in fact, I face exactly the same problem in my Petrol Innova which different Toyota workshops have refuse to accept and call this as normal.
However I don't think Toyota guys would have actually taken this on a lathe and done skimming on a brand new car, perhaps applied emery or some polishing disc to take off any irregularities but it will be a good idea for Sankar to recheck what all they did and even measure & compare with some other new unit.

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by coolboy007

This should not have been done in a new vehicle at any cost. If the car was facing brake shuddering due to uneven wear on discs, the dealer has to file a warranty claim to Toyota and get it done by replacing the brake rotors. Skimming discs makes sense for older cars which have clocked 30-35k kms or are out of warranty but an authorised dealer doing skimming to solve brake discs shudder on a new car like Crysta is not done.

Please have a word with Toyota about it, i faced this shudder in my Ecosport at 20000 kms and Ford happily changed both discs+pads in warranty, do not see a reason why Toyota should have a problem.

I agree with you. I asked for the rotor change when i went there on the second day after the discovery of this problem. The person whom i met that day said that prescribed procedure calls for first skimming the disc and if it re-occurs they can change it under warranty. I would have been satiated if they changed the rotors under warranty the first time, but i will be happy if what they did rectifies the problem.

Originally Posted by Turbanator

I will agree with coolboy, in fact, I face exactly the same problem in my Petrol Innova which different Toyota workshops have refuse to accept and call this as normal.
However I don't think Toyota guys would have actually taken this on a lathe and done skimming on a brand new car, perhaps applied emery or some polishing disc to take off any irregularities but it will be a good idea for Sankar to recheck what all they did and even measure & compare with some other new unit.

Yes, i agree with him too. I am not sure of how they did it, but i have seen a infographic in their customer waiting area about a machine specifically used for skimming the rotor. I think its some kind of on vehicle brake skimming machine which doesn't warrant the removal of rotor.

This one iirc:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chmx5ZEOeno

[nkrishnap]

Originally Posted by Sankar

Yes, i agree with him too. I am not sure of how they did it, but i have seen a infographic in their customer waiting area about a machine specifically used for skimming the rotor. I think its some kind of on vehicle brake skimming machine which doesn't warrant the removal of rotor.

I would still say push for the replacement of rotors, if you are stubborn they will give in especially this is a new product from their stable. Skimming may solve the problem in short term. Once you complete 10K kms, they will deny replacing it under warranty attributing it to wear and tear part. Do not give in.

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by nkrishnap

I would still say push for the replacement of rotors, if you are stubborn they will give in especially this is a new product from their stable. Skimming may solve the problem in short term. Once you complete 10K kms, they will deny replacing it under warranty attributing it to wear and tear part. Do not give in.

Reading up on the Procut brake skimming machine i am given to understand that this procedure is what toyota recommends in other countries too.
http://www.procutusa.com/oem-history.aspx
http://www.procutusa.com/pdf/oem/Toyota_Approval.pdf

Also in the video above they mention one of the advantages of on-car-rotor-skimming being the hub run-out is also taken care of if there is any. The video and the toyota approval for the device makes the method implemented look very convincing. I will get to see the results of this skimming soon and if the problem persists will ask for rotor change.

[Turbanator]

I will get to see the results of this skimming soon and if the problem persists will ask for rotor change.

Are you sure, Toyota India dealers carry such an equipment? Please do visit them whenever you can and try to see how they do. It will be helpful for others as well. But as Coolboy suggested, there are chances that they might not honour warranty in future. Since the car is new and they have agreed and done a correction, it will be easy to ask for a fresh set. You can tell that despite what they have done, you are not Ok with some repairs and your brake pads may get worn due to this skimming. But if you are ok with results, just send them an E-Mail which will be kind of records for future.

the hub run-out is also taken care of if there is any

This logic will not hold good for a brand new car. If that would have been case all cars would have got the rotors skimmed while assembly probably

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

This logic will not hold good for a brand new car. If that would have been case all cars would have got the rotors skimmed while assembly probably

The issue here i face is very unusual which 90% of the Innova Crysta owners will never face because 1) Most will be driver driven and 2) Most will be driven at sane speeds even if owner driven.

There are no vibes of any kind during regular road usage. There are no vibes of any kind when braking from speeds upto 120 either even if one does it continuously. There is no problem if one takes it to an occasional 140 or above and brakes from there to slow down, nothing vibrates.

The problem surfaces only during pushing the limits of this van and braking from there to slow down, even a light tap on the pedal will induce the vibrations ONLY when one brakes it a 2nd or 3rd time from that speed after the brakes are hot. Take a food break for 30mins and the brakes will cool, and next time braking from these speeds there are no vibrations, but brake a second time it will vibrate.

I can't discuss the actual speeds here because its against the forum policy.

The rotor may have warped in my car because its not good to keep the brakes pressed on a hot rotor after coming to a stop. This is even mentioned by specialist rotor and pad manufacturers.

[dean5545]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

Are you sure, Toyota India dealers carry such an equipment? )

I have seen a similar type instrument at Millenium Toyota, Mumbai. I think it's common in all Dealerships.

[rajivrt]

Originally Posted by drive_angry

since the car is registerd with 6+1 configuration, modifying it to 7+1 configuration could mean trouble from cops. .

Ever since I sold my 2005 scorpio in 2013, which was a 8 seater never requiring a fitness certificate, I was in a quandary which SUV/MUV to buy. Today I went to the Toyota dealer to hand over my booking cheque for a 8 str GX2.8, and the sales guy told me that for the 8 Str they will obtain a fitment certificate from the RTO for 2 years, and thereafter I will need to obtain a fitness certificate every year. I understand a fitness certificate is required when you modify the vehicle in any form. And if Toyota is offering a 8 STR as a variant direct from factory with approvals and excise paid on 8 STR, why a fitment certificate is at all required?

There have been discussions of 8 STR conversion on the ZX, but surely if the GX and VX come fitted with 8 seats from the factory, why would a fitment be required at the RTO?

Help please to correct my understanding.

[Turbanator]

And if Toyota is offering a 8 STR as a variant direct from factory with approvals and excise paid on 8 STR, why a fitment certificate is at all required?

I think this is due to some rules, where 8 seater and beyond falls under commercial segment requiring a yearly certificate. But are you sure this is for 8 seaters and not 9 seater? I remember we had a Qualis which probably was registered as 9 seaters and we required this yearly thing. This can be troublesome just because of documentation and the time taken to get this physically verified. Add extra charges that usually are more of a norm at such places to agents and others.

but surely if the GX and VX come fitted with 8 seats from the factory, why would a fitment be required at the RTO?

If you are making any changes to the vehicle, like the number of passengers, it needs to be updated in RC. Without this, it can be a problem if someone checks your documents or even Insurance may deny the claim. Most of Innova's here run as Taxis and get regularly pulled over by cops, they know what exactly to look for on a fully loaded Innova and they will definitely ask for fitness certificate which you can't get because the manufacturer did not sell this as 8 seaters.

However I am surprised by a number of posts about 8 seaters on ZX versions, is this really important? No matter how comfortable this Van is but having 8 guys on a luxury variant? I think 3 people on the rear will be still comfortable to sit and move when they have space due to 2 captain space but squeezing 3 people on middle and 3 on the rear - isn't it too much ? or just that we guys need the maximum bang for the buck or maybe what's the harm in having something extra for some future use

[krishtk]

Hi
Am planning to buy the GX AT two points that I need inputs on are as below
1 Can you recommend a good 7" or 6" ICE system with CD/DVD/Aux/USB/Buetooth and reverse camera for approx Rs 25K, will the Toyota delealer install it. Need a reliable one.
2 Have driven the Civic for 9 years and Crysta driver seat (lack of height adjust in GX model and width) is not as comfortable, any suggestions on what can be done for alteration or installation of wider seats. Location Mumbai

[gautamkhadse]

Originally Posted by krishtk

Hi
Am planning to buy the GX AT two points that I need inputs on are as below
1 Can you recommend a good 7" or 6" ICE system with CD/DVD/Aux/USB/Buetooth and reverse camera for approx Rs 25K, will the Toyota delealer install it. Need a reliable one.
2 Have driven the Civic for 9 years and Crysta driver seat (lack of height adjust in GX model and width) is not as comfortable, any suggestions on what can be done for alteration or installation of wider seats. Location Mumbai

I think in a few months time , you should be able to procure a seat that has height adjust , The auto market in mumbai will start seeing these . You can then buy one and replace you existing .

For teh music system, the toyota dealer might do it , but if they splice wires , your warranty will go for a toss , so you need to get that gray area covered .

[rajivrt]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

But are you sure this is for 8 seaters and not 9 seater?

Definitely 8 STR. All dealers I have spoken to make it a point to stress that fitment is required on the 8 STR, even as the bench seats are factory fitted!

Originally Posted by Turbanator

.... because the manufacturer did not sell this as 8 seaters.

Precisely, why should Toyota advertise that they have a 8 STR when legally the owner cannot use this without a fitment certificate. Are the car companies not able to get their vehicle at all certified as a 8 STR?

Originally Posted by Turbanator

....or just that we guys need the maximum bang for the buck or maybe what's the harm in having something extra for some future use

Actually for my purpose a bench middle seat is better than 2 captain seats, as we are an extended family, and the ladies find it more comfortable to be on a bench seat where they can throw their handbags, the kids stuff, etc., and generally have additional seat space.

[KiloAlpha]

Originally Posted by Turbanator

...
However I am surprised by a number of posts about 8 seaters on ZX versions, is this really important? No matter how comfortable this Van is but having 8 guys on a luxury variant? I think 3 people on the rear will be still comfortable to sit and move when they have space due to 2 captain space but squeezing 3 people on middle and 3 on the rear - isn't it too much ? or just that we guys need the maximum bang for the buck or maybe what's the harm in having something extra for some future use

Not surprising at all. This is from the personal experience of a good friend, who has an Innova top variant (previous generation) in 8-seater configuration. He is married and has 2 kids, lives in nuclear family. Both him and his wife have 1 sibling each, and they in turn have 2 kids each. Add parents from both sides, and you rapidly fill up the Innova if the whole family decided to go off on Holiday.
He goes on holiday with extended family at least twice a year, with the Innova loaded to the gills.
And, since he bought the Innova for personal use, he certainly wanted all the bells & whistles.

[Sankar]

Originally Posted by rajivrt

Definitely 8 STR. All dealers I have spoken to make it a point to stress that fitment is required on the 8 STR, even as the bench seats are factory fitted!



Precisely, why should Toyota advertise that they have a 8 STR when legally the owner cannot use this without a fitment certificate. Are the car companies not able to get their vehicle at all certified as a 8 STR?

Is this a RTO requirement or mandate for the state you are registering?

I have an 8 seater and there is no fitment certificate here and the registration for my GX 8 seater is valid till 2031.

There is a qualis 2001 in my native which is there in the family since new. This is a 10 or 9 seater (front bench, middle bench, rear two sideways facing folding seat) vehicle and its registration was renewed for another 5 years just a couple of months ago after completing 15 years. There was no requirement of fitment certificate or renewal of the same in these 15 years.

Originally Posted by rajivrt

Actually for my purpose a bench middle seat is better than 2 captain seats, as we are an extended family, and the ladies find it more comfortable to be on a bench seat where they can throw their handbags, the kids stuff, etc., and generally have additional seat space.

Exactly the same reason why i also went for 8 seater.

[rajivrt]

Originally Posted by Sankar

Is this a RTO requirement or mandate for the state you are registering?

Well, as of now the Noida dealers have been insistent that the 8 STR vehicles need a fitment certificate (both for Mahindra and Toyota). Perhaps it is a requirement in Uttar Pradesh? I will tomorrow check with the Delhi dealer and see if I get any clarification.

Thanks Sankar.