[CrAzY dRiVeR]

ACI claims a 0-100 figure of 12.56 seconds for the i20 Turbo GDi DCT.

Thats way off from Hyundai's claim of 9.9 seconds!

[arijitkanrar]

Originally Posted by Vik0728

So basically, other than VW and Skoda, ONLY the new Honda City gives this USEFUL feature of one touch power windows under 20 lakhs in India??

Ford provides it on the driver side. Yes its a very useful feature!

[Turbohead]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

ACI claims a 0-100 figure of 12.56 seconds for the i20 Turbo GDi DCT.

Thats way off from Hyundai's claim of 9.9 seconds!

If that is true, the Polo automatic is extremely well tuned for a torque converter automatic!

Expected more from the i20 this time! The rear seat isn't supportive and that's a bummer! This was a complaint even from the 2008-2014 i20 we had! Thankfully ride and handling has been taken care off but surprisingly again the Polo still has a more sportier handling despite being 2 generations ahead!

The looks, features and interior quality of a car can really make a huge impression- am impression large enough to override any concerns about in-depth engineering for the common man, especially safety (let's forget ride and handling for now).

[bwildrd#1]

Originally Posted by CrAzY dRiVeR

ACI claims a 0-100 figure of 12.56 seconds for the i20 Turbo GDi DCT.

Thats way off from Hyundai's claim of 9.9 seconds!

In Faisal Khan's review, 0-100 is achieved in 10 seconds. Please watch from 6:23 till 6:33 -

https://youtu.be/2HrtVFW6gLM

[AutoConsultant]

Originally Posted by Aditya

Exterior

By and large, the car feels well put together. The bonnet, hatch & doors have some weight to them.

In light of the current NCAP test results, can someone explain the extent of correlation between the weight of bonnet/hatch/doors and the structural rigidity of the car?

As far as I can understand, the general public assumes that if these parts have some weight to them then the overall build quality of the vehicle would be good as the amount of metal used in the skeleton of the vehicle would be higher.

Coming from an automotive background, I know that strength of the type of steel used and the overall rigidity of the structure depends on a large number of factors apart from the amount of steel used. Then why do we use this as an indicator for the build quality?

I understand that we do not have the crash test results for every model but such type of statements can be misleading to the average Joe and should be avoided in my opinion.

Would like to know thoughts of my fellow BHPians on this.

[Godzilla]

Originally Posted by AutoConsultant

In light of the current NCAP test results, can someone explain the extent of correlation between the weight of bonnet/hatch/doors and the structural rigidity of the car?


Would like to know thoughts of my fellow BHPians on this.

From Insurance Institute for Highway Safety

"A bigger, heavier vehicle provides better crash protection than a smaller, lighter one, assuming no other differences. The longer distance from the front of vehicle to the occupant compartment in larger vehicles offers better protection in frontal crashes. Heavier vehicles also tend to continue moving forward in crashes with lighter vehicles and other obstacles, so the people inside them are subject to less force.

Large vehicles aren't as big a threat to people in small vehicles as they used to be. A lighter vehicle will always be at a disadvantage in a collision with a heavier vehicle. But in recent years automakers have reduced the threat SUVs and pickups pose by more closely aligning their energy-absorbing structures with those of cars."

Having said that, It is possible to design a car which is lighter but stronger with the same materials by superior and intelligent design. see attached pdf.

However, I am assuming that it is possible to derive ball park weight for each class of car which might be considered safe. Example: with the use high strength steel for a typical hatchback less than 4m and with the current design engineering standards should weigh 1xxx Kgs but that might be misleading if the design is poor.

https://www.hannovermesse.de/en/news...ars-50-lighter

[kamilharis]

The new i20 looks too small and the sillhoute reminds me of the Datsun Redi-go! Check Here

These meme says everything.

[AutoConsultant]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

From Insurance Institute for Highway Safety

"A bigger, heavier vehicle provides better crash protection than a smaller, lighter one, assuming no other differences. The longer distance from the front of vehicle to the occupant compartment in larger vehicles offers better protection in frontal crashes. Heavier vehicles also tend to continue moving forward in crashes with lighter vehicles and other obstacles, so the people inside them are subject to less force.

Large vehicles aren't as big a threat to people in small vehicles as they used to be. A lighter vehicle will always be at a disadvantage in a collision with a heavier vehicle. But in recent years automakers have reduced the threat SUVs and pickups pose by more closely aligning their energy-absorbing structures with those of cars."

Having said that, It is possible to design a car which is lighter but stronger with the same materials by superior and intelligent design. see attached pdf.

However, I am assuming that it is possible to derive ball park weight for each class of car which might be considered safe. Example: with the use high strength steel for a typical hatchback less than 4m and with the current design engineering standards should weigh 1xxx Kgs but that might be misleading if the design is poor.

https://www.hannovermesse.de/en/news...ars-50-lighter

Thanks Godzilla for the explanation - all valid points. But the "assuming no other differences" statement is a huge one and we might never be able to answer this unless we have some standards decided by the government. Till then we only have the NCAP ratings as some sort of standardized testing methodology.

[k_ajay]

Another model from Hyundai, that will sell well. Including from 'enthusiasts' on this forum, who will buy it for what it is marketed and with their own 'priorities' in check. And again, as usual, same enthusiasts will express shock and disbelief when GNCAP or another acceptable body crash tests the car and shares expected results.

This vicious cycle will not stop. Unless our priorities are right in what we must 'need' and what we can 'want', vehicle manufacturers, automotive journalists and online forums will keep highlighting more on the 'wants' and lesser on the 'needs'.

As the saying goes, play stupid games, win stupid prizes. If we don't put more emphasis/value our lives, buy vehicles which safeguard our families & us during unexpected eventualities, why will anyone else? How is it even fair to expect anyone else to?

[shobhit.shri]

Is anybody else also amazed that the i20 comes with a sunroof even when some 50L cars don't have it?

[jeganatu]

Originally Posted by Godzilla

From Insurance Institute for Highway Safety

"A bigger, heavier vehicle provides better crash protection than a smaller, lighter one, assuming no other differences. The longer distance from the front of vehicle to the occupant compartment in larger vehicles offers better protection in frontal crashes. Heavier vehicles also tend to continue moving forward in crashes with lighter vehicles and other obstacles, so the people inside them are subject to less force.

https://www.hannovermesse.de/en/news...ars-50-lighter

This is the exact reason for me to choose kicks over compact sub 4mtr suvs. Creta was over priced and did not even have VDC or ESP in any mid variants!

[Porschefire]

Originally Posted by shobhit.shri

Is anybody else also amazed that the i20 comes with a sunroof even when some 50L cars don't have it?

Well, the compromised structural rigidity (purely my assumption based on the 100kg weight saving, use of "high tensile steel" and GNCAP of Seltos) had to be offset, right? Hence the sunroof to distract the Indian customer!

[kamilharis]

Originally Posted by shobhit.shri

Is anybody else also amazed that the i20 comes with a sunroof even when some 50L cars don't have it?

Way back in 2009 itself i20 came with a sunroof in Asta(O) variant. Which was removed later on I guess.

Many features which they had given in 2009 is absent in the 2020 version, weird !

[AutoConsultant]

Originally Posted by shobhit.shri

Is anybody else also amazed that the i20 comes with a sunroof even when some 50L cars don't have it?

It is aspirational feature for the average Indian customer and helps the company in justifying the overpricing of this premium hatch.

[srvm]

Originally Posted by AutoConsultant

In light of the current NCAP test results, can someone explain the extent of correlation between the weight of bonnet/hatch/doors and the structural rigidity of the car?
....
Would like to know thoughts of my fellow BHPians on this.

Hi, I don't have precise answers to your question. But I did do an exercise back in Feb-2020 to see if there is any correlation between Crash test performance and Kerb weight of cars sold in India. I request you to have a look here.
Let me know if it helps.