[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by sgm

Any comparisons on ride quality with Fortuner? Compass rides really well, and it is not fair to compare BOF Roxx against a monocoque vehicle.

Definitely on par or better as per me for passengers.

Originally Posted by mukeshannamalai

This is surprising, everyone in the review videos are praising about the ride quality but you mentioned that the ride is harsh and jarring, is this the problem in this specific demo vehicle?.

Max air pressure when cold is 32, obviously it will affect the ride.

Originally Posted by ashesh

Near the completion of the test drive the MID and infotainment screen became dim. I restarted the car, the screens started to work for a second and then become dim again. The sales person couldn't explain what the issue was. As the next in queue were waiting for the car so I couldn't look into this further.

I had mentioned about this annoying "autodim" feature that is triggered by the ambient light sensor used for the headlights!

[Globetrotter_91]

Hello fellow BHPians.

Albeit new to this forum as a member, but I have been a fan and have been following Team-bhp forums since long. I cannot stress more on the fact that I am extremely delighted as finally I can be a member of this esteemed community and probably will have opportunity to contribute to this highly recognized communal.

I was going through the in-depth analysis of the netizens here regarding New Mahindra Thar Roxx and wanted their highly respected opinion on buying preposition for the same.

To put things into perspective, I stay at Delhi, so 10-year capping on Diesel engines apply. Looking at my annual running of an average of 10K kms per year, I am inclining towards buying a Thar AT Gasoline. I do not suffer from mind numbing traffic stress daily (pun intended at my Bengaluru friends), but yes, my drives include 60:40 percent ratio for City versus Highway.

Reading and watching reviews for Thar Roxx (yes, I know it is a silly name, it would have been so good if they would have just named it as Armada or Savanahh) from various auto-experts and auto-journalists (although I began to feel, auto journalists now are Auto-makers mouth pieces, there are very few who'll give you honest feedback) I am getting little anxious thinking about the fuel economy.

Although I am an ardent lover of new Thar Roxx's design language (yes, I have now learnt to ignore rear door looking taller than front door and roof not being perfectly flat) but that has a lot to do with my childhood memories of this boxy design and circular headlamps being synonymous with go-anywhere and take-on-anything attitude. Coupled with my memories of Ryan McCarthy from Never Back Down (2008) (No, believe me I am not a bully, I currently drive a humble Hyundai) sitting in his high seating Cadillac, road presence is a weed which I have not been able to de-root from my system.

Yes, we do not have plymouths and dodge chargers here on road, and too mimic that cool factor we buy big cars (at least some of us do). I come from humble background so my budget defeats my aspirational purview. So, to sum it up I think Mahindra Thar Roxx is closest to the coolest wheels I can buy right now under 18Lacs on Road in Delhi (my modest budget could only stretch till MX3 Petrol variant).

But this anxiety of getting sub-8 fuel efficiency is knocking in my head like a woodpecker pecking on a bark excavating ideas which might ruin my buying decisions. I went for a test drive of AX7 AT 2WD Petrol and just loved the drive. It was supple and car assimilated all bad patches well, much better than my 13-year-old i10. Much was due to more rubber and that suspension. To try out back seat comfort I asked the Mahindra agent to chauffer me around for a while. I don’t know what went in him, he started pulling the car like hell, pushing me back in my seat. He almost stood on the accelerator pedal probably just to convince me that this car is FAST!! Those 200 secs of my life were scary and uncomfortable as hell.

What I concurred is if you drive with good mannerisms the suspension is good enough, it might not be as good as your monocoques but better than that of Scorpio Classics and Thar 3Ds. But I would suggest everyone who is considering it, to go and take test drive themselves and make a judgement and of course please share it with us.

Now I know, the 2 main drawbacks of this car are:
1. Low Fuel Economy
2. Rides are less comfortable compared to your monocoques

Although Mahindra has done a lot of work, but it will still feel little bouncy and high-speed mannerisms will not be as matured as a monocoque (this is my take from the brief period I spent with the car).

Taking everything mentioned above into consideration, Mahindra Thar Roxx still remains my number 1 choice in this plethora of cars between 10L to 18L pricing segment. But my assessment is only as good as my dwarf expertise regarding auto industry. This is where I need this community to help me.

Though I feel excited and that urge of exhilaration every time I see Thar Roxx in person, to help you understand that feeling, I feel like a teenager who has fallen for a girl, and suddenly going to school to see her once again becomes everything you are waiting for. But I don’t want to end-up in a marriage which you curse for your naivety. And the anxiety, that will this purchase, will keep me excited enough for next 4-5 years down the line, or will it be a toxic relationship which you want you end as soon as an opportunity occurs, is mind boggling.

Just to avoid any future regrets I want to make an informed decision and solicit this revered community’s help for the same. Now the queries I have:

1. Though I drive sedately, not pushing my car above 100kmph but with so much torque on offer and with 2L engine pleading to be pushed, there might be occurrences where I will succumb to the inner urge inside me (yes, I have been watching Ken Block Gymkhana my entire life, and I am a fanboy). Considering that I’ll try to behave 90% of times I step into this beast, how much fuel efficiency can I expect from this 2L Gasoline AT machine?

2. I took a test drive for AX7 Petrol AT 2WD and observed engine is one of the strong attributes of this machine, but in cabin comfort is not the best in the segment. As this is a body of frame chassis, rear wheel driven car, I cannot compare it to a monocoque in its driving mannerisms and comfort factor, so my expectations from that perspective are fairly in check. But I have a family where comfort is their top priority and to sell them a car which is uncomfortable and cannot do a 300km journey in a go without the need to step out and stretch is a deal breaker. So, here is my question, if you rate Hyundai Creta’s comfort during a drive as a solid 8/10 then what would it be for Thar Roxx, Scorpio N and XUV700 in comparison.

3. Also, I see that MX3 variant doesn’t come with acoustic windshield. Is it a deal breaker? I read in the forum somewhere that acoustic windshield can reduce overall NVH levels by 20 dB (there could be a case where I might have read it wrong, in such event please correct me) but from all I know, acoustic windshield may reduce overall noise by 2 to 6 dB, which seems not substantial. I took test drive in a top spec variant and that too on a busy road where I could not push the vehicle to experience the wind blast. So could you please share your review and comment on the same.

If you have come thus far, means that you have been very patient and that means a lot. Thanks again for giving your time.

Regards,
Globetrotter

[originalamit]

Originally Posted by Jaggu

Definitely on par or better as per me for passengers.



Max air pressure when cold is 32, obviously it will affect the ride.

Can you throw some more light on the change in handling characteristics of the thar on cold vs warm tyres?

I unfortunately could not have a decent test drive at India Garage, Palace road, Bangalore. When i drove first time the car was extremely bumpy and i figured they had the tyre pressures as FL 30, FR 36, RR 38 and RL 38. I pointed that out to them to fix.
On my 2nd attempt i took the thar to the gas station to fix the air pressure down to 32. However, the front left had a leak and could not hold pressures. So have to wait for a decent TD again next week..

[SLK]

Originally Posted by Globetrotter_91

1. Though I drive sedately, not pushing my car above 100kmph but with so much torque on offer and with 2L engine pleading to be pushed, there might be occurrences where I will succumb to the inner urge inside me (yes, I have been watching Ken Block Gymkhana my entire life, and I am a fanboy). Considering that I’ll try to behave 90% of times I step into this beast, how much fuel efficiency can I expect from this 2L Gasoline AT machine?

I have no experience with Mahindra Petrol engines, but I can tell you a few things from my experience with ATs and Turbo petrols:
1) Turbo Petrols are reasonably efficient when driven at constant speeds between 1500-2000rpm, which would translate to 80-110 for most cars.
2) Turbo Petrols are very inefficient in traffic, they just don't like slow crawling. Turbo Diesels are better in contrast.
3) Shifting from a NA petrol to a turbo Petrol, you would get a shock of low in-city/ traffic FE.
4) Add to that torque converter AT, you'll have lower FE specifically in stop/go traffic and you will have limited control over it even if you drive defensively.

So in traffic, yes, in Delhi too, you'll probably be below 8kmpl (my intelligent guess from driving in Delhi for 20+ years).

This debate on Roxx Petrol Vs Diesel replayed on my mind for several days, and then decided to consider Diesel, even if I drive less than 10k per year. I cannot take the emotional (financially speaking) torture of having a car that is least fuel economical (least range) in my garage and because of which I'll end up driving it only 3k per year!

[DCEite]

Originally Posted by Globetrotter_91

Taking everything mentioned above into consideration, Mahindra Thar Roxx still remains my number 1 choice in this plethora of cars between 10L to 18L pricing segment. But my assessment is only as good as my dwarf expertise regarding auto industry. This is where I need this community to help me.

I think you should do an introspection on what exactly you are looking from the car.

Is it road presence ?

Is it driving comfort ?

Is it fuel efficiency ?

Is it Cost of ownership ?

Is it performance/fast 0-100 times ?

Ofcourse, your requirements could be a combination of above.

But the point here is that, you seem to be concerned about low fuel efficiency of the Petrol Thar AT, and you live in Delhi-NCR, so diesels are not cost efficient in terms of long term ownership.

Get this, while the Thar Petrol has very good performance both on paper as well as on road, the fuel efficiency is something that you must put on the backburner, if you are deciding on this variant. Expect no more than 10-12kmpl on highways and 5-6 kmpl in city roads.

Ofcourse, if straight line performance, "road presence" and tackling occasional bad roads is your top most priority, than go ahead with the Thar RoXX RWD Petrol AT without blinking an eyelid.

Otherwise, you have many options in the 10-20 lac range which are better "family cars" like Creta, Elevate, GV, Kushaq etc.

Cars like Creta Turbo DCT, Kushaq/Taigun 1.5 TSI can give you the performance you are looking for, even still being more family friendly and comparatively lesser fuel thirsty than the THAR RoXX.

And don't forget the elephant in the room: Aftersales service experience. Buying a good, flashy and value for money car is one thing, and having a decent after sales experience is another. So play your cards carefully.

[Jaggu]

Originally Posted by originalamit

Can you throw some more light on the change in handling characteristics of the thar on cold vs warm tyres?

With the right air pressure I felt the ride was very liveable as a daily drive and much much better compared to 3 Door Thar any day. If you are asking specifically about temperature Vs PSI changes. With about 10 kms of driving on a hot day, air pressure usually go up by 1-2 PSI as indicated by most TPMS I have come across.

[ms001]

Originally Posted by mukeshannamalai

This is surprising, everyone in the review videos are praising about the ride quality but you mentioned that the ride is harsh and jarring, is this the problem in this specific demo vehicle?, i feel everyone needs to do a test drive before taking delivery unlike lot of people liked 3 door Thar for its design and booked but later found unsettled ride quality and sold it including me., many Youtube reviews did not talk about the poor ride quality of 3 door that time when it got released. there is lot of hype about Roxx and the delivery timeline extends more than one year.

Originally Posted by ms001

What i did not like.

• White interiors where already soiled on the first day of the TD. Someone from Mahindra seriously needs to issue a change order ASAP.

• Ride was extremely harsh and jarring, even slight undulations and every bit of broken tarmac is felt inside the cabin.
  Tyre pressure was 33psi at the front and 35psi at the back.
  This may be a deal breaker for me, will be taking another TD before i decide.

Please do watch this review from 23:00 onwards, I had the exact same observation.

https://youtu.be/_a85Cyjfv_I?si=rWp_XvxO8Wvy4pMl

I would recommend anyone planning to book one, should do an extended TD on all road conditions/type.

[puntolover]

Originally Posted by ms001

Please do watch this review from 23:00 onwards, I had the exact same observation.

Even I felt the same at low speed ride during my short test drive. Thanks to their 19 inch wheels. But highway drive is much better than thar 3 door and seats felt much better ( say firmer) than 3d thar.

I think white and Red will be the top choices for 5D thar while thar 3D looks much hotties in Black Avtar.

Waiting for my car delivery. Already gave multiple bookings to my dealer.

[naru80]

Originally Posted by Globetrotter_91

Just to avoid any future regrets I want to make an informed decision

If you are on a tight budget, and fuel economy is a matter of concern, just stay away from the petrol Roxx. It's financial harakiri.

[manishk83]

Originally Posted by SLK

This debate on Roxx Petrol Vs Diesel replayed on my mind for several days, and then decided to consider Diesel, even if I drive less than 10k per year. I cannot take the emotional (financially speaking) torture of having a car that is least fuel economical (least range) in my garage and because of which I'll end up driving it only 3k per year!

I went through these exact thoughts before deciding on the Diesel AT ScorpioN.
On the SN thread, I had even posted calculations of how Petrol vs Diesel will play out. And petrol, over a 15 year period, will work out marginally cheaper than the Diesel + the 10-year replacement. However, the replacement pain is after 10 years. The weekly pain of filling gas is now. Hence, I chose the Diesel.
Another point I will add @Globetrotter: If the purpose is city driving, Thar & SN are not the vehicles for that. These 2 are grand tourers. One buys them for those road trips - and it’s so easy to breach 1000 kms monthly. And with a petrol, I will always reconsider if I can skip a road trip or two! Didn’t want to buy a car going in with that mentality.

[07CR]

Originally Posted by Globetrotter_91

1. Though I drive sedately, not pushing my car above 100kmph but with so much torque on offer and with 2L engine pleading to be pushed, there might be occurrences where I will succumb to the inner urge inside me (yes, I have been watching Ken Block Gymkhana my entire life, and I am a fanboy). Considering that I’ll try to behave 90% of times I step into this beast, how much fuel efficiency can I expect from this 2L Gasoline AT machine?

I had a Kia Seltos 1.5 Turbo Petrol DCT with me for past 10 months (Now sold only due to some personal reasons). I also had very low running and could help you WRT fuel efficiency in a turbo petrol AT.

Seltos when decently driven in a moving Pune traffic used to reward me a healthy 12-14 kmpl. Expect Thar Petrol AT to deliver 10~ in such scenarios.
When driven fast/or bumper to bumper traffic it would return 8 kmpl. Expect Thar to give you 5-6 kmpl in such scenarios.

On highways with speeds of 90~ and low traffic, Seltos surprised with a very healthy 18-19 KMPL. Expect Thar to give around 13-14 in such scenarios.

With speeds and acceleration going beserk 110+, Seltos would get me 9-10 KMPL. Expect Thar to give around 6-7 in such scenarios.

Hope this helps!

[amrutmhatre90]

What will most owners do after getting the ROXX.
Did some photoshop on White and Red variant to have black Grill, I think matt black matching to the rest car would look much better.

[Bluebird_7]

Hello Bhpians,
Since many of us have taken a detailed look, driven the vehicle, have watched reviews and read through each other's opinion , what are your plans on buying it or are considering other vehicle ?

I for one am utterly confused. Use case is 1 vehicle in family with mostly city and highway drives plus once a year trip to terrains like Ladakh/Spiti/Sach Pass. I know it can be done in FWD vehicles, have done it myself but there were situations where having a 4wd would have allowed me to do some additional circuits plus it provides mental peace in sparsely populated areas, I consider it as having an insurance. I do not plan to purposely abuse a 25 lac rupees vehicle with ADAS kind of electronics by driving through rivers and 90 degree uphills but will definitely explore offroad trails.

If we go by SN prices, I expect a minimum 2.5 lac additional for 4wd compared to 2 lac for SN considering Roxx has ELD, crawl smart plus intelliturn. That puts AX7L 4wd AT at 23.0 L ex-showroom. Comparing it to Scorpio N Z8L 4wd AT is at 24.5 L. Now considering SN has a lot less features plus MLD is not present plus poor ground clearance/approach/departure angle i drifted towards XUV700 AWD. I know it is not an apple to apple comparison but I am comparing considering the use case. With people comparing Roxx with Seltos, you can give me that space 😀. With quoted SN shortcomings, it to me serves more as an AWD than 4WD, again just my humble opinion. Hence I looked at XUV700 AX7L D AT AWD which is priced at 25.0 L ex-showroom. Looking at inventory situation I guess I will be able to get decent discount over this reduced price which puts it more or less in price range of Roxx while being more comfortable, better equipped, advantage of 7 seats plus a mature product with mostly sorted niggles. This had my head spinning between Roxx and XUV700 AWD and I am totally confused.

Would appreciate community help and what do you suggest ? Also would like to know your buying decision regarding Roxx.

[Mike_Schumacher]

Originally Posted by Bluebird_7

Hello Bhpians,
Since many of us have taken a detailed look, driven the vehicle, have watched reviews and read through each other's opinion , what are your plans on buying it or are considering other vehicle ?

I for one am utterly confused.
Would appreciate community help and what do you suggest ? Also would like to know your buying decision regarding Roxx.

Not an expert here, but I'm in a similar situation. This will be my second car.

To me, the comparison is bewteen SN Z8 and the Roxx AX7L. I am definitely not stretching my budget for a SN Z8L, but even if I do, the SN definitely needs an upgrade, especially in ADAS. I do not particularly need a 7 seater as well, so I am finding it hard to justify buying a SN Z8 at a similar price point to a ROXX AX7L. I like the SN, don't get me wrong and I can get hold of the Z8 model in a couple of weeks, but unless the ROXX has a ludicrous waiting period (>6 months), or the SN comes up with a refresh / facelift, I am firmly in the ROXX camp.

700 is a fantastic car, but I'm not going to drop 30l+ on it. Personal choice.

[VRSriram]

https://youtu.be/aMgSpA_9j0I?si=Rd8F-rLXmv7Q4GS3

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