Bodybuilding - Exercises and Supplements

johy · 3rd June 2010, 07:39

Which is a good protein drink as an after-run drink?

godog · 5th June 2010, 00:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by johy

Which is a good protein drink as an after-run drink?

i'd like to get some salts back in after a good run. "Fastcharge" by Bodyfuelz has been satisfactory towards that end for a while now. For me.
Why do you ask for a "protein drink", any special reason?

1-Testosterone · 5th June 2010, 09:55

Post running (depending on the intensity of your run), your body goes in catabolic state (muscle wasting). Also significant amount of cortisol is released which have it's fair share of negative affects on immune system. To prevent catabolic action and bring back your body into positive nitrigen bbalance, it is always advised to consume one serving of Whey protein, Pre (preferably with Vitamin E and EAA's) and Post workout (Preferably with Vitamin B complex, and Electrolytes+Dextrose~like you mentioned~Fastcharge).

godog · 5th June 2010, 18:23

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Originally Posted by 1-Testosterone

Post running (depending on the intensity of your run), your body goes in catabolic state (muscle wasting). Also significant amount of cortisol is released which have it's fair share of negative affects on immune system. To prevent catabolic action and bring back your body into positive nitrigen bbalance, it is always advised to consume one serving of Whey protein, Pre (preferably with Vitamin E and EAA's) and Post workout (Preferably with Vitamin B complex, and Electrolytes+Dextrose~like you mentioned~Fastcharge).

If it is going into a catabolic state, isn't it better to take a mix of simple and complex carbs post workout? I understand that pre workout protein intake will deliver amino acids into the blood stream by the end of the run. That should counter the catabolism at one end.
But protein ingestion Post Workout... I guess we're moving into isolate territory here...

Edit : And suggest a good source of EAAs please. Preferably natural.

1-Testosterone · 6th June 2010, 11:19

Simple and complex carbs take care of liver glycogen and muscle glycogen replenishment levels. It's the EAA's and BCAA's which take care of muscle sparing and muscle building.
So, an ideal drink would be 2:1 (Carbs:Whey Protein) alongwith Vitamin B complex. Consuming 400 IU Vitamin E pre-workout limits the release of cortisol as Vitamin E is a very powerful vasodilator and antioxidant.
Any good quality WPC or WPI is loaded with EAA's and it does the job well. But if taste and digestibility is an issue, one should look for an Isolate or specialized EAA drink like Scivation Xtend.

rajivn · 6th June 2010, 14:52

Experts here, need guidance on choosing products.

My friend is returning from US and I am gonna tell him to bring few stuff.
My goal : To get a lean and toned phsique a'la beach body. I am currently 5'11 at 76kgs. I have been gymming on and off always. This time around I am determined, so suggest me a good stack with any of the following - Protein, Creatine, NO, HMBs, HGHs, Fat burners, Multivits, etc . Thanks guys.

inferno · 6th June 2010, 19:37

Hi guys,

Just bought a bottle of Opti-men 90 tablets. Actually, I had gone to buy Anavites by Gaspari, but got this only from Neulife. Paid 980 bucks for this bottle.

Recommended dosage is 3 tablets a day, but I would start with 1, as I think, that would be more than enough, as I also take Myofusion, gym around 4 days a week and weigh only 122 pounds, at 5"3.

Godog & testo, please do advice if I'm going wrong.

godog · 7th June 2010, 05:15

I'm slightly anti- prohormones. So, no comments.

Quote:

Originally Posted by inferno

Hi guys,

Just bought a bottle of Opti-men 90 tablets. Actually, I had gone to buy Anavites by Gaspari, but got this only from Neulife. Paid 980 bucks for this bottle.

Recommended dosage is 3 tablets a day, but I would start with 1, as I think, that would be more than enough, as I also take Myofusion, gym around 4 days a week and weigh only 122 pounds, at 5"3.

Godog & testo, please do advice if I'm going wrong.

inferno · 7th June 2010, 05:41

@godog
Am I missing on something ?

I just bought Opti-men with the intention of covering up all the missing vitamins and minerals.
Link on bb.com : Bodybuilding.com - Optimum Opti-Men - More Than A Multi! On sale now!

The Saint · 7th June 2010, 12:16

To all the bodybuilding guru's on this post...

I have been gymming for 3 months now, in the past i have never been determined the way I have been this time. Started Gold Standard Protein since last one week.

Results in last 3 months have been decent enough.

Every one has there own goal in bodybuilding, though a complete work-out is essential to shape and tone your entire body.

My concern is I dont want to build my chest so much (want lean chest) and I am totally confused what is that I should not do to expand and not make it huge. Currently I have good loose fat on my chest area and which makes it look like a saggy chest, dont want to pump it up more (but just shape it up and remove the loose fat). have spoken to every instructor in my gym and my brother who has gymed for 3 years, they are suggesting to keep decent weight of dumbles i.e. 25 pounds (15 reps of 2 sets) each hand and no incline or decline bench but just straight bench press and fly (nothing more for the chest). I am totally confused and need a your advice.

PLease help.

Cheers

johy · 7th June 2010, 12:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by godog

i'd like to get some salts back in after a good run. "Fastcharge" by Bodyfuelz has been satisfactory towards that end for a while now. For me.
Why do you ask for a "protein drink", any special reason?

I was looking for something more specifically 2/3rd carb + 1/3rd protein, which is ideal for recovery post running. Any readymade drinks/preparations?

godog · 7th June 2010, 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by inferno

@godog
Am I missing on something ?

I just bought Opti-men with the intention of covering up all the missing vitamins and minerals.
Link on bb.com : Bodybuilding.com - Optimum Opti-Men - More Than A Multi! On sale now!

Sorry I didn't look up this one, only saw the Gaspari product. But even so, both claim to give you an "edge" in the "maleness" department. Since there is no FDA regulation, as earlier suggested by 1-T (a year ago, perhaps), I'd stay away from a prohormone even if it quotes "herbal ingredients", which both these products do.
Simply put, my aversion to these things stemms from the belief that i'm ok burning my wallet on expensive protein and Real Food, than burn my balls on cheap multis.

(P.S. I hate the way these companies market their stuff. Maybe I should invest in them? :P )

navpreet318 · 7th June 2010, 23:56

So which multivitamin should we invest in?Any suggestions?

Because frankly looking at opti-men's profile of vitamins they are just way too much for consumption of normal people like us working out.Maybe men who are professionally involved into bodybuilding or major strength sports might use that amount of vitamins.

So which ones are the best for normal people like us who are working out good but NOT really aiming at a body building competition.

The Saint · 8th June 2010, 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saint

To all the bodybuilding guru's on this post...

I have been gymming for 3 months now, in the past i have never been determined the way I have been this time. Started Gold Standard Protein since last one week.

Results in last 3 months have been decent enough.

Every one has there own goal in bodybuilding, though a complete work-out is essential to shape and tone your entire body.

My concern is I dont want to build my chest so much (want lean chest) and I am totally confused what is that I should not do to expand and not make it huge. Currently I have good loose fat on my chest area and which makes it look like a saggy chest, dont want to pump it up more (but just shape it up and remove the loose fat). have spoken to every instructor in my gym and my brother who has gymed for 3 years, they are suggesting to keep decent weight of dumbles i.e. 25 pounds (15 reps of 2 sets) each hand and no incline or decline bench but just straight bench press and fly (nothing more for the chest). I am totally confused and need a your advice.

PLease help.

Cheers

Guys any thoughts on my query above, shall i continue to do what I have mentioned above or stop it completely

. please advice..

godog · 8th June 2010, 22:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Saint

Guys any thoughts on my query above, shall i continue to do what I have mentioned above or stop it completely

. please advice..

I'd say look at the advice objectively. Don't lose sight of the basics, focus on compound movements, flat bench press included. And gauge improvements yourself on a weekly basis. Only you can be the best judge for whats working for you.
Be sure, all the advice meted out on this thread only qualifies as armchair commentary, and my opinion is based solely on My Bodybuilding Beliefs. Do not accept them as your own until they find resonance with you and your logic.

3rd June 2010, 07:39	#2551
johy BHPian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Siliguri Posts: 992 Thanked: 634 Times View My Garage	Which is a good protein drink as an after-run drink?
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5th June 2010, 09:55	#2553
1-Testosterone BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Amritsar Posts: 388 Thanked: 43 Times View My Garage	Post running (depending on the intensity of your run), your body goes in catabolic state (muscle wasting). Also significant amount of cortisol is released which have it's fair share of negative affects on immune system. To prevent catabolic action and bring back your body into positive nitrigen bbalance, it is always advised to consume one serving of Whey protein, Pre (preferably with Vitamin E and EAA's) and Post workout (Preferably with Vitamin B complex, and Electrolytes+Dextrose~like you mentioned~Fastcharge).
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6th June 2010, 11:19	#2555
1-Testosterone BHPian Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Amritsar Posts: 388 Thanked: 43 Times View My Garage	Simple and complex carbs take care of liver glycogen and muscle glycogen replenishment levels. It's the EAA's and BCAA's which take care of muscle sparing and muscle building. So, an ideal drink would be 2:1 (Carbs:Whey Protein) alongwith Vitamin B complex. Consuming 400 IU Vitamin E pre-workout limits the release of cortisol as Vitamin E is a very powerful vasodilator and antioxidant. Any good quality WPC or WPI is loaded with EAA's and it does the job well. But if taste and digestibility is an issue, one should look for an Isolate or specialized EAA drink like Scivation Xtend.
	() Thanks

6th June 2010, 14:52	#2556
rajivn BHPian Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chennai Posts: 333 Thanked: 33 Times	Experts here, need guidance on choosing products. My friend is returning from US and I am gonna tell him to bring few stuff. My goal : To get a lean and toned phsique a'la beach body. I am currently 5'11 at 76kgs. I have been gymming on and off always. This time around I am determined, so suggest me a good stack with any of the following - Protein, Creatine, NO, HMBs, HGHs, Fat burners, Multivits, etc . Thanks guys.
	() Thanks

6th June 2010, 19:37	#2557
inferno BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 208 Thanked: 4 Times View My Garage	Hi guys, Just bought a bottle of Opti-men 90 tablets. Actually, I had gone to buy Anavites by Gaspari, but got this only from Neulife. Paid 980 bucks for this bottle. Recommended dosage is 3 tablets a day, but I would start with 1, as I think, that would be more than enough, as I also take Myofusion, gym around 4 days a week and weigh only 122 pounds, at 5"3. Godog & testo, please do advice if I'm going wrong.
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7th June 2010, 05:41	#2559
inferno BHPian Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Delhi Posts: 208 Thanked: 4 Times View My Garage	@godog Am I missing on something ? I just bought Opti-men with the intention of covering up all the missing vitamins and minerals. Link on bb.com : Bodybuilding.com - Optimum Opti-Men - More Than A Multi! On sale now!
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7th June 2010, 12:16	#2560
The Saint BHPian Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Mumbai Posts: 323 Thanked: 328 Times	To all the bodybuilding guru's on this post... I have been gymming for 3 months now, in the past i have never been determined the way I have been this time. Started Gold Standard Protein since last one week. Results in last 3 months have been decent enough. Every one has there own goal in bodybuilding, though a complete work-out is essential to shape and tone your entire body. My concern is I dont want to build my chest so much (want lean chest) and I am totally confused what is that I should not do to expand and not make it huge. Currently I have good loose fat on my chest area and which makes it look like a saggy chest, dont want to pump it up more (but just shape it up and remove the loose fat). have spoken to every instructor in my gym and my brother who has gymed for 3 years, they are suggesting to keep decent weight of dumbles i.e. 25 pounds (15 reps of 2 sets) each hand and no incline or decline bench but just straight bench press and fly (nothing more for the chest). I am totally confused and need a your advice. PLease help. Cheers
	() Thanks

7th June 2010, 23:56	#2563
navpreet318 Senior - BHPian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Dehradun Posts: 2,292 Thanked: 3,230 Times	So which multivitamin should we invest in?Any suggestions? Because frankly looking at opti-men's profile of vitamins they are just way too much for consumption of normal people like us working out.Maybe men who are professionally involved into bodybuilding or major strength sports might use that amount of vitamins. So which ones are the best for normal people like us who are working out good but NOT really aiming at a body building competition.
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