[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by MileCruncher

Great write up as usual. Can understand what you mean by the Jeepish bruteness and the right of way thing. But the above one still foxes me. Care to explain.

Ah, the title of the post was Bizon (Bull) in a China shop lifted off the famous adage of being clumsy around with things. Usually its a cranky old man running a china shop (of glassware and other ancient things of interest). I am comparing that to the great Indian traffic craze and how nimble the Scorp is. Am I sounding like Raj here?

Originally Posted by raj_5004

@ red: buddy, the mHawk has turbo lag?!!! it has the least turbo lag in all the diesels in this category!
talking about pulling power, my mHawk has pulled in second gear from standstill, with a load of 5 passengers & AC set on 3-HI, try it.

Raj, Sorry I just could not help taking a dig at you above my dear friend. The only vehicle which I have seen pull absolutely effortlessly from 2nd gear like it was 1st is the 4+1 gear box enabled MM540. Actually, people start from the 2nd gear and never use the 1st.

You are probably putting a great level of strain on your clutch. The 1st gear is meant to do just that - engaging to start your car off. But maybe you have a trick up your sleeve like my gear-changing samurai act.

Originally Posted by Takumi-san

@Raj I think he meant comparing with the petrols.

Umm, why would you want to do that to your Scorp / or any vehicle for that matter(pulling in second gear) ?

Absolutely I did compare it to Petrols. Plus the only diesels I have driven came with no turbo - so the power came in very very linearly - allowing you to pretty much judge when to do what.

[nitrous]

Originally Posted by takumi-sam

why would you want to do that to your Scorp / or any vehicle for that matter(pulling in second gear) ?

Get the clutch replaced in warranty?

Well, you can definitely do it in a Jeep though. The engine is torquey and the ratios are really really short.

[tanwaramit]

taking from speed breakers on first gear ? well is that the case with all ? I guess Raj has different experience. Redliner: cant see why you are feeling turbo lag a lot, I had a different take on the turbo lag in mHawk.

[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by tanwaramit

taking from speed breakers on first gear ? well is that the case with all ? I guess Raj has different experience. Redliner: cant see why you are feeling turbo lag a lot, I had a different take on the turbo lag in mHawk.

Am comparing her straight to Petrol's and Diesels with no turbo's. Drive one, and you'll feel the difference.

[anupmathur]

Originally Posted by Red Liner

Am comparing her straight to Petrol's and Diesels with no turbo's. Drive one, and you'll feel the difference.

You're right!
What comes into play here is this whole emissions game and the need for ECUs and EGRs!
What you mention has direct relationship to ECU. Most, if not all, ECU controlled diesels do not give you the tractability of the old diesels without ECU.
The line separating the diesel powerpack from its petrol counterpart has almost vanished in this particular area of performance.

[raj_5004]

Originally Posted by Takumi-san

@Raj I think he meant comparing with the petrols.

Umm, why would you want to do that to your Scorp / or any vehicle for that matter(pulling in second gear) ?

Ohh, he was comparing it to petrols & non-turbo diesels.
i am sorry, missed out on that. he is absolutely right then.

red, this board is for you ---> ......... LOL!!!

regarding your second question takumi, i pull it in 2nd gear at very slow speed like over speedbreakers or potholes, because "I AM LAZY"!!! As far as my statement in above post is concerned, that was just to say that the scorp pulls quite easily compared to other 'TURBO' diesels.

Originally Posted by Red Liner

I am comparing that to the great Indian traffic craze and how nimble the Scorp is. Am I sounding like Raj here?

aah, thats fine, i have taken my revenge above!

Raj, Sorry I just could not help taking a dig at you above my dear friend. The only vehicle which I have seen pull absolutely effortlessly from 2nd gear like it was 1st is the 4+1 gear box enabled MM540. Actually, people start from the 2nd gear and never use the 1st.

yup, i completely agree to that.

Absolutely I did compare it to Petrols. Plus the only diesels I have driven came with no turbo - so the power came in very very linearly - allowing you to pretty much judge when to do what.

Am comparing her straight to Petrol's and Diesels with no turbo's. Drive one, and you'll feel the difference.

thats an unfair comparison.

[anjan_c2007]

Originally Posted by Red Liner

The Scorpio story - having mustered a denizen of fans across all ages - is not very different. Inspite of all the brash ugliness, low down interiors, panel gaps, and the general drunken stupor with which it attacks delicious curves (hold on, isnt that what we men usually do anyway?), the Scorpio has managed to hold its own with Indians (and some internationals).
One reason is ofcourse the Mahindra brand. Our forefathers have sworn by it. The women swoon over Ratan Tata (and his famous Uncle Jamshedji). The men swear by the Mahindra Jeep. That is by far one vehicle which has redefined what raw, cowboy butch is all about. And young nubile teenagers dream of driving a jeep to assert their right of passage through to man-hood (sometimes even before the first set of facial hair makes an appearance).
The Scorpio, I have to say is very agile in the city. Almost Gazelle like. Its quite literally a point and shoot thing. To a large extent, barring the very annoying turbo lag (my first experience with a diesel fitted with a turbo) where you just are literally jumping on the accelerator, the thing moves like a piranha's got her tail. The very direct steering is quite a boon in the city, and so is the size of the steering wheel. The fabric along the steering wheel does not cause for your hands to slip much, but I have just been with her for a month, so lets see how that holds up.
Well, to end this all - do I find her good in the city? Hell yeah. She's invigorating. The old man running his china shop need not worry at all. Not one bit. The Scorpio is one smooth operator.

Red Liner ......Men and Mahindra and women and Ratan Tata, great and true comparison
Gazelle it truly is- rather a 1.8 ton gazelle. Its agility while on the move is beyond comparison. nothing comes even close to it. Parking and reversing though are elephant like. And the engine is a mHawk. So many birds and animal names here!
As Raj says the turbo lag is quite apparent but is way ahead of other similar diesel turbos. Men (and Mahindras) don't have much patience so there's less turbo lag, whereas women (Tatas) do, maybe.

[HappyWheels]

Red Liner,

Did you get you registration done?

If done, how did the whole thing go about?

[anjan_c2007]

Originally Posted by HappyWheels

Red Liner,

Did you get you registration done?

If done, how did the whole thing go about?

Very valid point Happy Wheels. We all are in pitch dark about the registration story and how the plot unfolded here for Red Liner. A revelation and some confessions are needed.

[suzuki san]

Hi Red Liner,

Absolutely great write ups on your new Scorpio. Especially liked the "lingam" bit. Enjoy the new ride.

Now please, pretty please, don't do what all other Scorpio owners seem to do - viz. sit in the fast lane on expressways doing 100Kmph.
I've just done three runs on the NH4 and find it frustrating when the Scorp's refuse to move.

I'm sure other Scorpio owners will take offense - but none intended!!!!!!!
It's a fact!!!!

Regards,
SS

[HappyWheels]

Originally Posted by anjan_c2007

Very valid point Happy Wheels. We all are in pitch dark about the registration story and how the plot unfolded here for Red Liner. A revelation and some confessions are needed.

Sign!

If only people share the whole story!

RL, hope your registration was not a special under-cover ops which should not be shared with anyone else!

[Takumi-san]

no updates red? How is the Scorp doing?

[agbenny]

Pals,

Its time for me to find my beast, and I was in the showroom (from) yesterday. Had a test drive of about 10Kms on highway as well as Mud roads. Overall I am happy.

But my main confusion now is whether and AT or MT? While I like to buy an AT version after long years of geared cars. To my surprise, AT is not in the showroom, and so far they have invoiced only one car. So no point it asking them a test drive.

Any AT guys can help me? I want to talk to you too, But please share your experiences.

There is one Java Brown VLX MT is available, I can take it within 2-3 days, But I want to hear from you guys before I book it or wait for another 1 month on AT.

Please!

[Red Liner]

Originally Posted by HappyWheels

Red Liner,

Did you get you registration done?

If done, how did the whole thing go about?

Yes, I got the registration done. I would have to be printing money straight into the hands of the traffic wardens all along otherwise.

Originally Posted by anjan_c2007

Very valid point Happy Wheels. We all are in pitch dark about the registration story and how the plot unfolded here for Red Liner. A revelation and some confessions are needed.

Revelation indeed! Even for me!

Originally Posted by suzuki san

Hi Red Liner,

Absolutely great write ups on your new Scorpio. Especially liked the "lingam" bit. Enjoy the new ride.

Now please, pretty please, don't do what all other Scorpio owners seem to do - viz. sit in the fast lane on expressways doing 100Kmph.
I've just done three runs on the NH4 and find it frustrating when the Scorp's refuse to move.

I'm sure other Scorpio owners will take offense - but none intended!!!!!!!
It's a fact!!!!

Regards,
SS

Thats pretty much any car. I have had to slither and snake around Maruti 800's who have an identity crisis with an 18 wheeled trucker.

Originally Posted by HappyWheels

Sign!

If only people share the whole story!

RL, hope your registration was not a special under-cover ops which should not be shared with anyone else!

I see you just booked your 4x4 Safari. Lucky you. My registration story coming up and you must use that to register your car yourself.

Originally Posted by Takumi-san

no updates red? How is the Scorp doing?

The Scorp is doing great, an update coming right up. 2nd service/10,000 kms coming through in about a week.

Originally Posted by agbenny

Pals,

Its time for me to find my beast, and I was in the showroom (from) yesterday. Had a test drive of about 10Kms on highway as well as Mud roads. Overall I am happy.

But my main confusion now is whether and AT or MT? While I like to buy an AT version after long years of geared cars. To my surprise, AT is not in the showroom, and so far they have invoiced only one car. So no point it asking them a test drive.

Any AT guys can help me? I want to talk to you too, But please share your experiences.

There is one Java Brown VLX MT is available, I can take it within 2-3 days, But I want to hear from you guys before I book it or wait for another 1 month on AT.

Please!

There's Mohit who recently got an AT and started an ownership thread on it. Just search his name out or type Scorpio Automatic or variations of it. As far as I remember, he seemed pretty happy about the car.

That said, I think the Java Brown is gorgeous. Its horrible that the color is only available for the top end version.

[raj_5004]

Originally Posted by agbenny

Pals,

Its time for me to find my beast, and I was in the showroom (from) yesterday. Had a test drive of about 10Kms on highway as well as Mud roads. Overall I am happy.

But my main confusion now is whether and AT or MT? While I like to buy an AT version after long years of geared cars. To my surprise, AT is not in the showroom, and so far they have invoiced only one car. So no point it asking them a test drive.

Any AT guys can help me? I want to talk to you too, But please share your experiences.

There is one Java Brown VLX MT is available, I can take it within 2-3 days, But I want to hear from you guys before I book it or wait for another 1 month on AT.

Please!

hi benny, i would advise you the manual. reasons:

1) as you said, the auto has not achieved great sales numbers, so i am unsure about its future.
2) maintainence costs would be higher.
3) driveability of the manual is good enough.