[sr_1445]

Originally Posted by dean5545

Will be changing my Innova tyres this week. The tyres have done about 50,000km. They are Bridgestone B390s. Was not very happy with the way they performed. Road noise is onthe higher side and grip in wet conditions is very poor.

Thinking of going for Michelin XM 2. Now my real problem is that I go on bad roads a lot. Are these tyres too delicate?This will be my third set of tyres.

I have never used Michelin so I wont comment on them. I would ask you to consider the Yokohama C.Drive.The C.Drive is a favourite of many BHP-ians. I recently got them for my Innova and I have fallen in love with them. However because you say you do encounter bad roads, i may ask you to think of Continentals as well. I hear they are pretty tough.

[dean5545]

Originally Posted by sr_1445

I have never used Michelin so I wont comment on them. I would ask you to consider the Yokohama C.Drive.The C.Drive is a favourite of many BHP-ians. I recently got them for my Innova and I have fallen in love with them. However because you say you do encounter bad roads, i may ask you to think of Continentals as well. I hear they are pretty tough.

The Yokohama's are known to have a weaker sidewall you can refer to Guderian sir and Manuuj 's threads. Even my friends have told me the same from their experience.

Will have to check out the continentals though. Don't know about their grip level and NVH also. But thank you for your opinion.

[sukiwa]

Originally Posted by dean5545

Thinking of going for Michelin XM 2. Now my real problem is that I go on bad roads a lot. Are these tyres too delicate?This will be my third set of tyres.

XM2 aren't that delicate as XM1 or XM1+ were. I am using XM2 on Innova for last 6 months & more than 8000 Kms and tyres have withstood potholed roads in Konkan area(2 trips) last monsoon. One needs to drive at sedate speeds on such roads.

[dean5545]

Originally Posted by sukiwa

XM2 aren't that delicate as XM1 or XM1+ were. I am using XM2 on Innova for last 6 months & more than 8000 Kms and tyres have withstood potholed roads in Konkan area(2 trips) last monsoon. One needs to drive at sedate speeds on such roads.

Have you used the Bridgestone B390s? If yes then can you post a comparison ? Will help me a lot.

Also how much did they cost you ? I am getting it for 6200 each.
Thanks.

[dean5545]

I had installed the xm2s on the 17th of this month and till now have driven about 2000km including a 1500km Mumbai-Goa trip and I'm mighty happy with these tyres.
It performs better than the bridgestones in all aspects be it NVH,grip or high speed riding.
Would definitely recommend these tyres to all Innova owners.

[harsha.muvva]

I have changed the stock bridgestone tyres to michelin mxv8(205 section) immediately after taking delivery.Now after one and half year and 75k kms,i am planning to change the tyres(the tyres can easily go for more 5000kms easily).
I was completely satisfied with these tyres.Good grip,comfort and not much of noise even now.

I am planning to upgrade to 225 section tyres,my main purpose for upgrade is to have little more stability high-speeds without compromising on comfort and ride-quality.

I would like to know what are the options i have now and also if there are any dis-advantages of up-sizing apart from little less mileage which i wouldn't mind.

Regards,
harsha

[F150]

Originally Posted by dean5545

I had installed the xm2s on the 17th of this month and till now have driven about 2000km including a 1500km Mumbai-Goa trip and I'm mighty happy with these tyres.
It performs better than the bridgestones in all aspects be it NVH,grip or high speed riding.
Would definitely recommend these tyres to all Innova owners.

When you say bridgestone, which pattern are you referring to ?
Without referring to any specific pattern, it would make the above statement a little too generic.

[dean5545]

Originally Posted by F150

When you say bridgestone, which pattern are you referring to ?
Without referring to any specific pattern, it would make the above statement a little too generic.

I was referring to the the Bridgestone B390s which come as stock tyres on the Innova.My mistake since this is an Innova thread I didnt consider it necessary to mention the thread pattern.

[F150]

Originally Posted by dean5545

I was referring to the the Bridgestone B390s which come as stock tyres on the Innova.My mistake since this is an Innova thread I didnt consider it necessary to mention the thread pattern.

Thank you the clarification. B390 is from the general series of bridgestone. It is unfair to compare them to XM2. They are both not from my same segment. B390 is for the taxi segment.XM2's counterpart from bridgestone would be ER60/AR20/ER300

[joybhowmik]

Originally Posted by F150

B390 is for the taxi segment.

Not true. Bridgestone B390 does not have "taxi" marked on it. Nor is it meant to be used by taxi drivers.

Here's a description of the tyre from the manufacturer
B390 is a well balanced touring tyre. It offers a safe drive and a quiet ride. The tyre provide superior handling and braking performance on both wet and dry surfaces.

I have used these for over 4 and half years, taking my car from Delhi to Kolkata, Rajasthan, Uttaranchal, Himachal - and never had any issues.


On an Innova (essentially a touring car), among Bridgestones products - this tyre is the most well suited. No wonder Toyota sold the Innova with B390 as OEM fitment.

[F150]

Originally Posted by joybhowmik

Not true. Bridgestone B390 does not have "taxi" marked on it. Nor is it meant to be used by taxi drivers.

Here's a description of the tyre from the manufacturer
B390 is a well balanced touring tyre. It offers a safe drive and a quiet ride. The tyre provide superior handling and braking performance on both wet and dry surfaces.

I have used these for over 4 and half years, taking my car from Delhi to Kolkata, Rajasthan, Uttaranchal, Himachal - and never had any issues.


On an Innova (essentially a touring car), among Bridgestones products - this tyre is the most well suited. No wonder Toyota sold the Innova with B390 as OEM fitment.

The below picture should answer all your questions.
XM2 and B390 are not from the same segments.

B390 is from the general series, general series are meant for long life.

[joybhowmik]

Originally Posted by F150

B390 is from the general series, general series are meant for long life.

It's just that long life does not necessarily translate to a taxi driver's preference - or being branded as a taxi driver's choice of tyre - in fact there's no such thing.
Yes, the B390 is cheaper and very durable. My older set lasted for more than 4 years, and recently went in for the B390 set again - purely because they lasted well, and offer decent ride comfort, stability.
IMHO, unless one is looking for specialist application for all the time , one is better off with OEM fitment tyre.

[F150]

Originally Posted by joybhowmik

IMHO, unless one is looking for specialist application for all the time , one is better off with OEM fitment tyre.

While I appreciate your opinion, that is certainly not the case and we wouldn't have this thread in the first place.

[parsh]

There are various reasons people choose tyres over the OEMs, a few being, silence, endurance, drivability, wet grip, high speed grip, better looks, sturdiness etc.

However, that does not mean the OEMs are suited for certain specific purposes or sectors of users.

Each tyre has its pros and cons. It is our endeavor to learn through such discussions which suits best to own need.

The Bridgestone B390 is not bad tyre at all. In fact I have seen numerous cases of it having proven worthy to last longer in lot of cases. So will be the case with Goodyear GT3 which Toyota used to ship Innova with, not sure if it does now, although not so great.

The only way we can learn about these tyres is from personal experiences and discussions being shared amongst us as there is no other quantitative measure to it, inspite of whatever manufacturers may claim about their tyres.

While I have Yokohama C-Drive on my Innova which I find extremely good for grips on wet slippery roads, they lack from sidewall strength and are developing cracks while in their 40Ks in the 4th year. It is possible that my Ladakh trip may have had an impact on the same. The earlier Goodyear GT3s did not age well either and hardened early, but were good enough for normal highways and decent speeds though did not feel confident on wet roads.

On other hand, the Bridgestone B390 factory fitted on other Innova are still running well beyond 50K in their 4th year and that added with the same Ladakh trip done by the two Innovas together. They seem to do well for still some more time.

On aspects of silence on road, high speed handling and wet grip, the Yoko C's would seem better than the B390 and definitely better than GT3. But that does seem to hamper B390s on driveability, usability and B390s seem to outlast the newer Yoko C's and without much significant difference if I am to stick to stipulated speeds. Even for high speeds, we have been able to do stable 160s on the B390s without any worries.

I learnt that Primacy LC/XM ranges too are not too great on the sidewall strength though probably marginally better than Yoko Cs. XM2s are the new breed claimed to have even stronger sidewalls, but do not know the first hand long term experience of these newer tyres.

It would be so much better if there was a measure and tyre manufacturers started rating the usage upto certain KMs on standard tracks, just like ARAI mileage in standard conditions, just to give customers some perspective.

I saw numerous taxis as well as personal Innovas in Ladakh. Especially the taxis still seemed to be on OEMs. So the endurance of these basic OEMs on gruesome roads also does not seem to be a big issue.

I am feeling I will go for B390 or just to try out first hand switch to Primacy LC/XM1/XM2 next time I change.

IMO it is best these tyres not labelled for any segment but seen from own outlook, requirement, need and usage perspectives combined with experience feedback.

[F150]

Originally Posted by parsh

There are various reasons people choose tyres over the OEMs, a few being, silence, endurance, drivability, wet grip, high speed grip, better looks, sturdiness etc.

However, that does not mean the OEMs are suited for certain specific purposes or sectors of users.

IMO it is best these tyres not labelled for any segment but seen from own outlook, requirement, need and usage perspectives combined with experience feedback.

Wow, that was a long post. .
While OEM tyres dont target certain section of users, but the selection of OEM tyres by the manufacturer, which falls in a specific category, which in turn leads to this classification.


B&S series from Bridgestone are meant for long life with decent grip and comfort.

Individual users prefer comfort,grip and silence.

Expectations from the users may vary, but that doesn't change the segment to which the tyre belongs too.