[KPS]

Continuing analyzing the video of Edward, The Prince of Wales, Tour of India in 1922, we are again very fortunate to spot MYSORE 1 & MYSORE 2 in their original body style. Clearly both the cars were doing very well in 1922

MYSORE-1 : Chassis # 1680, 1911 Silver Ghost, Barker bodied Roi-des-Belges




MYSORE-2 : Chassis # 1683, 1911 Silver Ghost, Pullman Limousine by H.J.Mulliner




Thanks to the BFI video, we get see these cars in their original body style. We have not been able to access the pictures of these cars in their original body style earlier.

Cheers

KPS

[KPS]

Mysore Notes - Steam cars

Here are some notes on the Steam Cars from the Mysore Stables

Year 1910: - List of cars belonging to the Palace includes a 20 HP Steam Car

Year 1913:

• "Purchase of the cars for the Dewan & Govt. Vol II
  Cars under the service of the Dewan
  1. ....
  2. ....
  3. White Steam Car (converted into petrol driven)
  4. ....
  
  6. 1909 White Steam 16/20 HP - Purchased in connection with H.E. the Viceroy's visit
  
  
• Purchase of Steam Cars Vol. II : Letter asking a 15HP Steam Car plus money in exchange for two 20 HP Steam cars for the Palace on 27/05/1913

Lord Gilbert Elliot, the fourth Earl of Minto, (1905-1910) the Viceroy & Governor-General of India visited Mysore in 1909

This White Steam Car was purchased in 1909 in connection with H.E. the Viceroy's visit to Mysore


Mysore seem to have few steam cars, hence must have been a important customer to have the agent visiting Mysore. It is to be noted that at least one the steam cars was converted to petrol


Cheers

KPS

[KPS]

K S Raman has made some fantastic notes on the Automobiles of the Mysore Raj. These notes are from the Palace Admin Reports and are written by his hand. I am not sure as when and how he accessed these reports. It gives me hope that we too may able to do research with proper access.

I happy to share these notes here.

The First Decade

Records from 1902
Purchased Single Cylinder Peugeot 2 seater from Messrs. Tuner Hoare & Co, Delhi.

Records from 1903
Peugeot arrived in Mysore and in 1903 was returned after a shortwhile back to to Hoare & Co. This was replaced with a four seater De Dion car, which came with a driver by the name of Mr. Moriens

Records from 1910
Cars for Government Use in the Palace
1905 Panhard, 15 HP, 4 Cylinder with elongated Tonneau Body to seat 6 people. Fitted with canopy side curtains, glasses at back, front and centre

1905 FIAT, 24 HP, 4 Cyclinder with Roi des Belges body to seat 6 people, fitted with Cape Cart Hood "

Insurance of cars
10 HP De Dion complete with hood, bought on 30th Dec'1905

28/36 HP Daimler, Yellow colour, bought on 10th February 1905

12/16 HP FIAT Cars No. 1122 & 2200, white body picked out in red, bought on 26th November 1905

List of motor cars belonging to the Palace in 1910
Rolls Royce, Pullman, 40/50 HP, Green, Touring
Mercedes, 40 HP, Crimson, Touring
Silent Knight Daimler, 15 HP, Chocolate
Hotchkiss, 30 HP, Blue, Touring
Vulcan, 15 HP, Crimson, Touring
Minerva, 60 HP, Blue, Limousine
Charron, 15 HP, White, Landaulette
FIAT, 14/16 HP, Green, Landaulette
White Steam Car, 20 HP
1910 Daimler, Side entrance Pheaton Type 28-8 1/2, painted cream, 4 cylinder, 22 HP, 4 Seater, Car # 2628 (Eng No.)
Hotchkiss car with body by Simpson & Co."

These are the notes for the period 1900-1910

So the first recorded car in the Mysore Stables, as per these notes, was indeed a small Peugeot from 1902!

French Cars - Peugeot, De Dion, Panhard, Hotchkiss, Charron
British Cars - Daimler, Rolls Royce, Vulcan
Italian Car - FIAT
German Car - Mercedes
Belgium Car -Minerva
American Car - White Steamer

Wish we had pictures to back this list.

The Rolls Royce is probably Chassis # 1680, 1911 Silver Ghost, Barker bodied Roi-des-Belges, discussed earlier.

Cheers

KPS

[KPS]

The Second Decade - Part 1 from 1911 to 1915

Records from 1911

45 HP Mercedes Limousine Landaulette purchased ffrom J H Barker, Bombay, Rs. 22,500/-

40 HP FIAT, 50 HP Elmore, 32 HP Daimler exchanges for Rs.12500/- to buy the mercedes

Special clothing for Chauffeurs
Cap for Chauffeurs supplied by Ms. Wrenn Bennet & Co, South Parade, Bangalore

Book made by The Mysore Tannery Limited, Bangalore

2 cars ordered. 40/50 HP with Roi Des Belges body and a Pullman Limousine. Car # 1680 & 1683
Water proof covers for lamps of Pullman car. Both the cars were ordered for use during 1911 Delhi Durbar.

Coir rugs ( white with green border) ordered for both the RR Cars for the front and rear foot boards. Pattern of rugs used in the cars was also given.

40/50 HP Chassis No. 1680, nickel finish & including std set of tyres, kit of tools & spares fitted with a Roi des Belges body by Barker, painted dark green with white lines, upholstered in green Morocco together with side & tail lamps, Lucas horn and flex, tyre inflator & repair outfit, lifting jack and petrol funnel ( £1155)

Steel studded rear wheels, padlocks and clamps to bonnet, set of tripod type brackets to carry spare tyres, one pair nickel Lucas headlights, extra set 8 volt 60 amp accumulators, folding luggage carrier with stiff joints, Elliott Speed Indicator with Clock & aneroid barometer, aluminium heads to side footboard. Beatonson’ patent windscreen, cape cart hood with side and centre curtains, low side doors to front footboard, ‘Buck’ toolbox on .... painted to car colours, electric steering column lamp, ‘Wagner’ electric horn, ‘Cobra’ horn, cocoa fibre mats to front & back foot boards, three small cocoa fibre mats on side steps with straps, Aluminium semi-dome shaped wings, special ventilators fitted to dash board, electric side lamps, emblazoning Court of Arms on side door panels, 2 water proof cases for spare tyres, 1 cloth rug, 1 set waterproof covers for lamps, 1 large water proof cover for whole of car, 1 voltmeter, 1 Michelin tyre fork, 2 18” tyre levers, 2 sponges, 1 spoke brush, 1 leather"


Records from 1912

"Purchase of lorries ad Girling Cars Vol I
Milnes-Daimler-Mercedes Commercial Vehicle Catalog

Albion 15 HP Shooting Brake - Standard Wagonette to carry 6 to 8 passengers. Pnematic tyres to front wheels, solid tyres to rear wheels"

Cars registered in 1912
Mercedes - Regn # 1525
Rolls Royce - Regn # 1526
Rolls Royce - Regn # 1527"

Hotchkiss 18/22 HP Type X6

Work executed on cars by The French Motor & Co. Vol I
Minerva to be fitted with one horn and 2 electric side lamps (a pair of fancy cylindrical electric side lamps with beveled glasses)"

"Purchase of Steam Cars Vol. II
Letter asking a 15HP Steam Car + money in exchange for two 20HP Steam cars from the Palace on 27/05/1913"

"1912 - Purchase of cars for the Dewan & Govt Vol I
20 HP White Steam Car

16/20 Hotchkiss fitted with double Pheaton body, 5 seater, double cape hood with brass finger fits, painted Napier green & fine white lines, upholstered to match, 2 gas head lamps, 2 side lamps, tail lamps, horn tools etc, ready on 15/05/1911 by W Leslie & Co, Calcutta. Extras - Double folding windscreen and brass fittings, one stepney wheel with tyre & tube"

"Monthly Statement of upkeep of cars
Cars at the Palace Garage in November 1912
40/50 HP Rolls Royce Touring
40/50 HP Rolls Royce Pullman Limosine
50/60 HP Minerva
14/16 HP FIAT Landaulette
15 HP Silent Knight Daimler
15 HP Charron
20/30 HP Hotchkiss
15 HP Vulcan
20 HP Steam Car (Green)
20 HP Steam Car (Red)
15 HP Panhard
5/6 HP F.N., 4 cylinder motorcycle
6 HP Clyno, 2 cylinder Motorcycle

Cars for sale
1.1905 24 HP FIAT
2.1905 40/50 HP FIAT
3. 1905 28 HP Daimler
4. 1906 12/16 HP FIAT

Correspondence from The Bombay Motor Co., refers to a 9 HP De Dion"

Records from 1913

Somonelli - Italian Chauffeur

"Purchase of the cars for the Dewan & Govt. Vol II
Cars under the service of the Dewan
1. De Dion 12 HP
2. De Dion 8 HP
3. White Steam Car (converted into petrol driven)
4. Hotchkiss

1. 1904 County Humber (unserviceable in 1913)
2. 1905 Panhard 15 HP
3. 1906 FIAT 24 HP
4. 1906 De Dion 12 HP
5. 1906 Richard Brazier (As this working satisfactorily, it was exchanged for the small De Dion 9 HP)
6. 1909 White Steam 16/20 HP - Purchased in connection with H.E. the Viceroy's visit
7. 1911 Rolls Royce 40/50 HP - Purchased in connection with the Delhi Durbar
8. 1911 Hotchkiss 16/20 HP - Purchased in connection with the Delhi Durbar

Cars No. 4, 5, 6 & 8 were with the Dewan"

"Purchase of accessories from other firms in India Vol V
Tyres ordered for Charron car
Khahi & Grey canvas hood cover cloth samples
Mercedes car tube size 880 x 120
Ford car tube size 30 x 3 1/2
Hotchkiss car tyres 920 x 120"

"Motor Lorries and Girling Cars Vol II
Two Straker Squire lorries - Spare parts ordered 2 ""CW"" Type Chassis (In connection with the visit of Lord Hardinge to the State). Body - Charabancs (1915)
One Girling car convertible box body painted dark blue with yellow wheels and under frame. Acetylene Side LampsGirling for carrying office records"


Purchase of accessories from the French Motor Car & Co
38HP Minerva bodied by French Motor Car & Electric Co, Bombay
Spanner (Box) 5/15"" to 17/16""

"Cars offered for sale
14-16 HP FIAT with Landaulette Body (English Body) - Rs. 3500/-
16 HP Silent Knight Daimler, 2 Seater - RS. 4000/-
60 HP Minerva, Limousine Landaulette Body - RS. 7600/-
(built by the French Motor Car Co.)

Fiat - HP 14-16, Ignition-Bosch HT Magneto, Speeds - 4 with R, Transmission - Cardan shaft, Seating - 5, Body - Landaulette (English Body), Colour - Dark Green, Wheels - Artillery, Tyres 810 x 90 front, 820 x 120 rear, Year 1908

Silent Knight Daimler - HP 15, Ignition - Bosch Dual Ignition, Speeds - 3 with R, Transmission - Cardan Shaft with worm drive, Seating - 2 seater with dickey seat in rear, Body - Touring with hood, Colour - Chocolate body with black mudguards, Wheels - Rudge wire detachable wheels, Tyres - 870 x 100 (all four), Year 1910

Minerva - HP 50-60, Ignition - Bosch Dual Ignition, Speeds - 4 with R, Transmission - Cardan shaft, Seating - 7, Body - Limousine, Colour - Dark Crimson, Wheels - Artillery with Vinnet detachable rims, Tyres - 835 x 135 (all four), Year 1910

Silent Knight Daimler sold to Mr. R Kennedy, No.2 Rafiya Manzil, Wodehouse Road, Bombay in Oct/13 for Rs. 4000/-"

16 HP Wolseley with Limousine landaulette body cost GBP 691-3-6 (Rs. 10,367/-) for the Dewan's use

Records from 1914

"Sunbeam Car (7215), Colonial model, long chassis, torpedo body, painted green, upholstered to match, complete with hood, side curtains, wind screen, horn with external tube, foot-rug & foot rest, spare wheel (wire) with tyre on, kit and tools, one set of complete Rotax Dynamo fitted on to the car with 5 electric lamps, body colour, yellow

Photographs of Minervas at the end of the file"

"Purchase of Accessories
12V CAV Bulbs for Headlights of Daimler (Blue Bird)
Valve Pins and Caps for Maxwell Car
H E Ormerod & Co, 2 South Parade, Bangalore"

"Purchase of Rolls Royce Cars Vol III (40/50 HP Pullman Limousine
Details of Rolls Royce Pullman Limousine from Rolls Royce Order Form

Form of body - Special design of enclosed limousine by Thrupp & Maberly as per drawing and specifications. Seating accommodation : seven, two on front seat, 2 on folding and 3 on rear seat

Colour of Body and Wheels - No. 163 Dockers Cardinal Red ( Mercedes)
Upholstery- front seat red side to match the car, extra and rear seats in cloth of choice.

Tyres - Dunlop grooved 935 x 135 to all four wheels.

Extras : Autovox mechanical horn, electric lights to interior (ornamental), spinner ventilation to scuttle dash, polished mahogany instrumental panel board, sheet of asbestos, also cocoa fibre mat to front footboards. Small windows in celestory roof to be of well frosted glass( to keep out sun rays) and also made to open for ventilation. 3 fibre mats with red borders in nickel frames on the step boards, domed mudguards of steel, windows to be provided at east side of drivers seat to make the body fully enclosed. Fixed partition ( with glass windows) made to drop between front and rear of body. Silk blinds to all windows, cobra Horn with flexible tubing ( nickel plated), folding glass windscreen in two halves.

Initial order mentioned ordinary limousine, but making the front part enclosed on either side makes it an enclosed drive Limousine, for which Thrupp & Maberly made the following modifications- V front windscreen to reduce size of front door & so make the body more proportionate.

Amended Specs from Thrupp & Maberly

Constructed of best seasoned ash - kept as light as possible, hammered aluminium and steel panels - door fitted with slam locks, with double acting striking plates and private locks.

Seating accommodation to seat 7 persons- 2 on front seat, 2 on small folding seats with raised backs or to face forward & three on hind seat

A special domed roof of hammered aluminium, back of roof & top quarter panels on one plane, top of roof to be of celestory type - viz built up & sides fitted with windows, interior of roof to be lined & veneered with polished mahogany panel fitted with patent silencers- upholstered in best cloth & laces of choice, cushions & squats stuffed with best horse hair

Over springs, frames, lower part of body covered in the best carpet - cricket seats well padded - top quarter of interior covered in cloth, steps ash framed, supported with RR step irons and covered with aluminium with metal surrounds.

Mudguards of lead coated steel of the domed type, fitted with inside shields and valances to back and front, supported with strong forged iron stays bolted through valances and not through top of wing- metal enclosures between body and steps.

Front seat to be enclosed & side door fitted, windows to fall - hammered aluminium scuttle dash. Canopy over drivers seat to be domed and built up as hind part inside polished wood. Windscreen of the Beatonson type, lower half a fixture, top half to hinge out at any angle - well in step and tyre carriers.

A folding luggage grid at back fitted with guard to protect the back panel "


"Clothing
Black overcoats for chauffeurs - white kullas, black boots, military overcoats (sepoy overcoats) black in colour
Chauffeurs - George Beams, Kariachary, Mohamad Peer
Chauffeurs while on duty with HH, Queen, Prince & Princess will wear white uniforms. When they take the car out for others, khaki uniforms will be worn. Pattern of khaki uniform will be same as described below for the ordinary serge or broadcloth uniform.
Full Dress Uniforms of 2 kinds -
a) For their Highnesses Use - Dark Blue Serge or Broad Cloth coat & breaches, double breasted with leather gaiters as per pattern (Windsor) shown on P126 of the accompanying catalogue, but with the following modifications
collar to be turned down with yellow beading - double-headed eagle to be attached to both sides of the collar
b)For others - the serge uniform to be the same as pattern shown on P124 (Town Livery) - only there should be 3 buttons more than shown there. Yellow beadings as shown in illustration. Samples of serge cloth attached in the records. Pith turbans for chauffeurs"

"Purchase of Rolls Royce Car Vol IV (40/50 HP Pullman Limousine)

(Sl #11) In response to a query from Rolls Royce regarding colours for the Court of Arms, in reply states no particular colours are used & Messrs. Thrupp & Maberly may use such colours as they think would suit best.

Rolls Royce 40/50 Thrupp & Maberly Pullman Limousine - List of Parts Supplied

2 electric headlights, 2 electric side lights, 1 electric taillight, 6 electric lights with bulbs, 1 Stepney wheel complete with cover, 1 set accumulators containing 6 cells, 1 Edison Battery, 1 speedometer, 1 watch, 1 box containing CAV spare blubs (6), 1 Cobra horn, 1 Autovox horn, 1 foot pump complete with gauge, 1 repair outfit box complete, 5 tyre levers, 2 syringes, 1 copper oil feeder, 1 copper funnel, 6 Bosch spark plugs, 1 mallet, 1 small tin funnel, 1 magneto spanner, 1 valve setting gauge, 2 platinum screws, 2 platinum trembles, 1 box containing spare nuts, washers etc, 1 hub spanner, 6 valve springs, 1 inlet valve complete, 1 Jack, 1 iron tube (14” length), 1 wooden petrol gauge, 2 leather straps, 2 no.s holders, 1 leather took bag containing 1 hammer, 6 box spanners, 1 tyre lever handle, I iron tube nut, 5 double headed coil spanners, 2 chisels, 1 pin pinch (?), 1 screw driver, 1 cutting plyer, 2 flat files, 1 valve lifter, 3 hook spanners, 1 petrol tank opener, 1 valve cover opener, 1 ring spanner, 1 key, 1 big screw spanner, 1 small girder spanner, 1 file handle, 3 small coir foot rugs with frames, 1 big coir rug, 1 Bosch magneto book, 1 CAV book, 1 Rolls Royce Instruction book, 2 foot rugs.

This car was dispatched by Wilson Boat “SS Tycho” in 1914 - arrived on 4th or 5th January 1915. "


Records from 1915

"Miscellaneous
20 HP FORD, No. __, Grey, Landaulette
20 HP FORD, No. 1, Black, Landaulette
20 HP FORD, No. 2, Black, Landaulette
20 HP FORD, No. 3, Black, Landaulette
20 HP FORD, No. __, Red, Landaulette
20 HP FORD, No.__, 2 Seater, Grey
20 HP FORD, No.__, 2 Seater, Black"


"Purchase of accessories from other firms
Model No. 534, Jones N P Speedometer No. 50 5100, with clock to suit Silent Knight 15HP Daimler with 870 mm wheels with cardan shaft drive
6 Cylinder 20/30 Type X6 No. 2567, Hotchkiss car"


"Following 2 Rolls Royces belonging to the Maharaja of Cooch Behar were offered for sale
1. 1913 Rolls Royce 40/50, detachable rim-wood wheels, Aluminium painted, open tourer, 5 seater body, polished aluminium bonnet, C.A.V lighting set at Rs. 16,000/-
2. 1910 Rolls Royce 40/50, detachable wire wheels, 6 seater, open touring body, C.A.V. lighting set, painted pale blue, Price Rs. 14000/-"


"Purchase of a 3 seater electric car. Anderson Electric Car Co. Detriot, MI, USA - Detriot Elec car.

Garford Motor Truck, 1 Ton - Catalogue"

"Purchase of Maxwell & FORD Cars

FORD Landaulette Car No. 13145, complete with folding glass, 2 head lamps with generator, 2 side lamps, 1 tail lamp, 1 rubber mat, 1 carpet foot mat, 1 horn, 1 jack & foot pump, 1 repair outfit with tyre level, 1 tool bag containing 1 adjustment spanner, 1 D.E. spanner, 1 hubcap spanner, 1 screw driver, 1 pair pliers, 1 oil can, 1 cylinder head spanner"

"Purchase of accessories from the French Motor Car & Co
38 HP Minerva, Chassis No. Type SS4171 - wire wheels ordered for the car "

Lot of data to digest. Amazing patience by Raman to note down these Notes

Cheers

KPS

[KPS]

The Second Decade - Part 2 from 1916 to 1920

Notes from 1916

3 Seater Anderson Electric Car Cabriolet Model 56, Catalogue Price $ 2075 (Rs. 6417-8-5)

Purchase of a 3 seater electric car. Anderson Electric Car Co. Details, body colour - Green/Grey- Dark. Whire wheels in yellow, body striped in gold. If yellow wheels don’t appeal to HH, they can be repainted Lt. Green, upholstery No. 83 cloth. Coat of Arms applied to door panels size 3 1/2" to 4". Car shipped per S S "City of Naples" reached Madras on 15th August 1917

"Purchase of Govt Sunbeam Car, Chassis # 7215 for Rs. 6000/-
2 Govt Sunbeam Cars kept in Palace Garages for Viceregal use"

"Insurance of cars
M.C. 1731, 1915 Regal, 25 HP, 4 Cylinder, Touring Black
M.C. 1734, 1915 Hotchkiss 20/30 HP, 6 Cylinder, dark green tourer "

Notes from 1917
Garage Works - Palace Garage 3 view drawing

Notes from 1918

List of cars going to Madras (25/01/1918)
1. Rolls Royce Colonial, #57YB, 40/50HP, Red, Driver Laurence
2. Rolls Royce Pullman, #1683, 40/50 HP, Green, Driver Manavelu
3. Hotchkiss Touring, #2527, 20/30 HP, Dark Green, Driver Hanumantha Rao
4.Maxwell Touring, # 100448, 30 HP, Black, Driver Antony
5. Ford No.4 Landaulette, #228, Engine#C44900, 20 HP, Black, Driver Sanjeevaiah
6. Ford No.2 Landaulette, Engine#C4738, 20 HP, Black, Driver Kempa
7.Ford No.3 Landaulette, Engine#C13145, 20 HP, Black, Driver Angamuthoo
8.Ford No.5 Landaulette, Engine#C44980, 20 HP, Black, Driver Madhai
9.Ford No.6 Landaulette, 20 HP, Black, Driver Keroji
10. Wolseley Cabriolet, #22565, 16/20 HP, Grey, Shankarappa

Number Plates
Letter from Mirza Ismail to Balaraj Urs suggestng to use Mysore -XX Number Plates as shown instead of Flags for better identification by the Police. Dated 2/2/1918 - Plate with red background with the serial no. of car painted on it.
26 chauffeurs were employed in the Palace Garage in 1918

Following cars offered for sale in December'18
1. Studebaker, 32 1/2 HP - Rs. 5000/-
2. Hotchkiss, 20/30 HP - Rs. 5000/-
3. Maxwell, 30 HP - Rs. 3500/-
4. Regal, 25 HP - Rs. 3500/-
5. Charron, 15 HP - Rs. 3000/-
6. Straker Squire Lorry - Rs. 6000/-
7. Sunbeam 13/16 HP - R. 4500/-

Notes from 1919

Motorshop Vol II

Presentation of Motor cars
4 Seater Ford - Rs. 9000/-
Studebaker Ambulance - Rs. 6000/-
Overland - Rs. 4000/-
Minerva - Rs. 6500/-
Hotchkiss - Rs. 6000/-

16/20 HP Sunbeam Touring Car (Rs. 15,000/-), British built (04/08/1919)

Notes from 1920

Purchase of Rolls Royce Cars (01/06/1920)
Total Cost RS. 25,200 /- , Chassis 21PP
Nickel finish, steering column in 'C' position, including standard set of tyres, Dunlop detachable wire wheels & one spare wheel. Electric starter, Klaxon horn, Lucas Dynamo, Kit of tools & spares. Barker enclosed cabriolet body, ash framing with mahagony and aluminium panels, including spinney ventilators.
Painted dark blue with picked out in deep red & upholstered in blue leather to front seats & blue cloth to main, cobra horn, cast aluminium plates. Special wrought iron spare wheel carrier and tray to back of body with supporting stays from chassis painted to match car made by Barker
Barker emblazoned a Mysore Court of Arms on the car (cost for this GBP 18-18)

Austin Landaulette for her Highness (06/09/1920)

Cars for sale (16/12/1920)
Ford Landaulette (Grey colour)
Ford 4 Seater
Vauxhall (used by Rajkumar)"

Amazing notes, isn't it? So much history has been captured

Cheers

KPS

[travancore]

Originally Posted by KPS

The Second Decade - Part 1 from 1911 to 1915


"Following 2 Rolls Royces belonging to the Maharaja of Cooch Behar were offered for sale
1. 1913 Rolls Royce 40/50, detachable rim-wood wheels, Aluminium painted, open tourer, 5 seater body, polished aluminium bonnet, C.A.V lighting set at Rs. 16,000/-
2. 1910 Rolls Royce 40/50, detachable wire wheels, 6 seater, open touring body, C.A.V. lighting set, painted pale blue, Price Rs. 14000/-"

Lot of data to digest. Amazing patience by Raman to note down these Notes

The 1910 Cooch-Behar R-R is likely Chassis 1316 (Barker Tourer Torpedo). I have no idea which the 1913 R-R tourer is.

Original picture likely from John Fasal's The Edwardian R-R.



Incredible work by Mr.Raman and many thanks to you for painstakingly transcribing and posting all this

[KPS]

The Third Decade - from 1921 to 1930

Unfortunately we have no notes from 1921 to 1925. Maybe these folders were not found

Notes from 1926

Cars sold on 15/04/1926
Ford Landaulette (No. 2) - Rs. 900/-
Charron - Rs. 3257 1/2/-


Notes from 1927

Disposal of following vehicles - 13/04/1927

Two 1 1/2T Federal Lorries - Rs. 2500/-
1T Ford Lorry RS. 800/-
No. 1 -Ford Landaulette Rs. 750/- (Used by the young Maharani)
No. 7 - Ford Landaulette Rs. 700/-
Sunbeam Car Rs. 1500/-
Fiat Car Rs. 1500/-
Vulcan Ambulance Rs. 1000/-

Ford Landaulette sold from Palace to Mr. Mohamad Zainulalidin, Sub-Asst. Surgeon, Doddaballapur for RS. 600/- on 02/07/1927

18/07/1927 - Overland Whippet Car (Magneto Model)

Cars Purchased - 13/08/1927
Dodge Brothers Rs. 4100/-
Essex Rs. 3500/-
Overland Whippet Rs. 3175/-

02/12/1927 Buick 4 door sedan, Model 27, 1928 bought

Notes from 1927-28

Palace Garage was first formed in April'1908. Garage built on a specially conceived design, so as to provide accomodation for more than 50 cars, lorries & other motor vehicles. 37 cars, 10 lorries & 4 other vehicles belonging to the Palace. 3 cars of Rajakumari Lilavathiavaru, 2 of the third Maharajkumari & 1 of Rakumar were also stabled and looked after in the Garage

Notes from 1928

02/08/1928
Ford 2 Seater Coupe sold to Padmanabha Row, Basavangudi, Bangalore
Chevrolet Sedan sold to Devraj Bahadur for Rs. 600/-
Ford No. 2 - Pheaton handed over to Mr. P P Bowring"

Notes from 1928-29

Cars Purchased
1. Touring Chevrolet - Rs. 2540/-
2. Chrysler - Rs. 7500/-
3.Phaeton Ford - RS. 2169/- 11-0
4. 1 Ton D.E.F. Chassis - Rs. 3650/-
5. 1 Ton D.E.F. Chassis with an open type passenger bus - Rs. 4450/-
6. 1 Ton D.E.F. Chassis with a semi saloon body - Rs. 4,700/-

50 vehicles, including 15 lorries, 8 private cars belonging to Rajkumar and Maharajakumariavaru were also stabled in the Garage.

One of the Overland cars was suitably altered so as to have a movable seat supported by special extension springs, both at the top & at the bottom. A trailer was specially built to serve the purpose of a dressing cabin, intended to be used by H.H. in the Polo Ground"

Notes from 1929-30

Cars Purchased
1. 8 cylinder Studebaker Commander
2. Dodge Sedan 29-30 model
3. Caravan Trailer
4. 2 Fordor Ford Sedans
5. 1 Electric Chassis
61 vehicles including 7 trailers
A new sleeping saloon was built during the year

Cheers

KPS

[KPS]

The Fourth Decade - from 1931 to 1940

Notes from 1930-31
61 vehicles including 7 trailers

Notes from 1932
04/03/1932 - New Studebaker Commander Eight Regal Sedan purchased from Mr. V Ramalingam, No. 2 Lalbagh Road, Bangalore for Rs. 8500/- & old Studebaker (Plate No. 37) given away in part exchange for Rs. 1500/-

08/03/1932 - Hispano Suiza - brought from the 16th Mile of Mysore Road to Bangalore City Railway Station by towing with a lorry
(Ref: 1929 - Purchases General Vol 9, No. B XII 78 Sl No. 3)"

19/04/32 - Baby Austin - 7 HP Deluxe Saloon & 7 HP Tourers - Maroon Colour tourer selected (Car No. B5.896) from South Indian Motor Co., Madras for Palace use. Price Rs. 2,600/-

A Ford car was supposed to be purchased for the girls going to school. As their car was not ordered, HH purchased while at Madras, 2 Baby Austins, one at Rs. 2600 and other at Rs. 2400/-

Notes from 1931-32
59 cars & other vehilces including 14 buses & lorries, 1 motor road roller & 5 trailers. 41 chauffeurs employed

Cars purchased
1. Studebaker 8 cylinder - Rs. 8500/-
2. Studebaker 6 cylinder - Rs. 3000/-
3. Touring Chevrolette, 6 cylinder - Rs. 2699/-
4. Touring Ford - Rs. 2393/-
5. Baby Austin Sedan - Rs. 2119/-
6. Baby Austin Touring - Rs. 2119/-
7. Ford Bus (only chassis) - Rs. 2612/-

One big Daimler, which was rarely used, we converted into a lorry
The Palace Garage was one of the many places of interest to visitors to Mysore, on account of the many luxurious & costly cars of different types it contains and the workshop with its machinery"

Notes from 1932-33
Cars sold
Baby Austin Sedan - Rs, 2215/-
Dodge Touring - Rs. 1000/-
Two Seater Chevrolet - Rs. 500/-
Wippet Overland - Rs. 650/-
Cars Purchased
Ford Cabriolet - Rs. 3355-12-0
De Luxe Chevrolet - Rs. 3117/-
2 Opel Cars - Rs. 6532.-8-0
2 Bedford Trucks - Rs. 6540/-
2 Horse Boxes - 14060/-

One Bedford Horse Box converted into a lorry & sent to Bangalore Palace
Total - 62 Vehicles

A horse box was built on the Bedford Chassis, capable of conveying 2 horses at a time

A sleeping saloon damaged in an accident while going to Karapur was converted into a elephant carriage for use during processions"


Notes from 1934
January 1934 - Purchase of Rolls Royce Cars
Second hand 1921 Rolls Royce Touring car, Model Silver Ghost, 63CW, bearing No. M.C. 6613 purchased from Sir William Beardsell of Messrs Beardsell & Co. Ltd, Madras in January 1934.
Palace No.59 - New number for the car"

Notes from 1933-34
Cars sold
1. Chevrolet Touring - Rs. 1000/-
2. Chrysler Touring - Rs. 2500/-
3. Ford Touring - Rs.650/-

Cars Purchased
1. Ford Chassis - Rs. 3078/-
2. Chevrolet Touring - Rs. 3120/-
3. Chevrolet Touring - Rs. 3120/-
4. Essex Terraplance - Rs. 3444/-
5. Ford Sedan (40 V8) - Rs. 3438
6. Morris - Rs. 6532/-
7. Citroen Sedan
8. Rolls Royce Touring (second hand) - Rs. 3000/-
9. Ford Touring - Rs. 2445

Total number of the vehicles - 66 with 44 cars, 5 buses, 4 lorries, 3 horse boxes, 2 saloons, 1 wireless car, 1 electric chair, 1 motor road roller & 5 trailers

The body of the sleeping saloon, that we constructed on a Federal Chassis, was removed and fixed on the Ford Chassis, converting the former into a lorry

The elephant carriage, built from the damaged sleeping saloon was permanently handed over the Gajasala Department"


Notes from 1934-35
8 cars purchased , 5 sold. Total number of vehicles - 67

Notes from 1935-36
9 vehicles purchased, 5 sold. Total number of vehicles - 70
A suitable body was constructed on a Chevrolet Chassis for conveying passengers & luggage

Notes from 1937-38
4 cars purchased.
Total number of vehicles - 69
Alteration and improvements were made to the Procession Victoria of Palace Stables

Garage 1938
Accident of H H the Maharaja's 2nd Car near Srirangapatna. Cars involved in the accident Riley, Oldsmobile, Morris, Rolls Royce & Bedford Bus"

Notes from 1939-40
71 vehicles in the Garage

Number Plates of the Palace Cars, i.e. plates bearing ""Mysore No. __ on red background with white letters and figures that were in use, were changed. Now only a double headed eagle is painted in gold without number. The old plates are however used when the cars are sent outside Mysore

Cheers

KPS

[KPS]

Notes from the Fifth Decade - 1941 to 1950

Notes from 1941-42
1 Ford Chassis & 3 cars purchased at a cost of Rs. 17,990/- & 5 cars sold for Rs. 3350/-

Notes from 1942-43
No cars were purchased or sold

Notes from 1943-44
2 Ford lorries and 1 Station wagon purchased

Notes from 1944-45
34 cars, 8 buses, 6 open lorries, 2 lorries with closed vans, 2 half luggage buses, 2 wireless cars, 1 horse box, 1 shooting van, 1 road roller, 1 Ecdes? Caravan trailer.
Total 60 vehicles, 1 trailer & 1 road roller

Notes from 1945-46
12 motor vehicles purchased at a total cost of Rs. 133278-1-0
1. Two V8 Super De Luxe Station Wagons - Rs. 19183-12-0
2. One V8 3/4 ton Chassis - Rs. 5749-15-0
3. One Chevrolet Military Utility Van - Rs. 6798-12-0
4. Three Buick ""51"" Super 8 cars - 39584-12-0
5. Packard Clipper car - Rs. 11028-0-0
Two Oldsmobile cars - 23166-11-0
One Lincoln V12 sedan car - Rs. 15,125-0-0
One Humber Hawk car - Rs. 12641-14-0
14 Old motor vehicles auctioned.
57 motor vehicles in the garage comprising of 34 cars, 8 buses, 4 lorries & 11 vans, 1 road roller

As usual, the following ""Mudies"" were sent to Melkote & Nanjangud in the Daimler and the Red Rolls, respectively
Melkote - 1. Vyra Mudi, Raja Mudi, Krishnaraja Mudi
Nanjangud - 1. Srikanta Mudi"

Cars Auctioned on 21st & 22nd June'1947
1. 1935 Chevrolet Imperial Limousine, 7 Seater - Sikander Khan, Rs. 6000/-
2. 1938 Chevrolet Imperial Limousine, 7 Seater - B T Ramachandra, Calicut, Rs7800/-
3. 1935 Chrysler Air Stream Touring Saloon, 5 Seater - C P Bopiah, Mysore, Rs. 6400/-
4. 1935 Chrysler Air Stream Touring Saloon, 5 Seater - Kunha Ahmed, Calicut
5. 1939 FIAT Deluxe Saloon, 7 Seater
6. 1932 Ford, 2 Seater with Dicky Seat (Zeeba)
7. 1935 Hillman Limousine, 7 Seater - Nandibasappa, Mysore, Rs. 9000/-
8. 1916 MORS, 5 Seater - Used by HH Dowger Maharani Saheba
9. 1926 Rolls Royce (Rustom), 7 Seater - Kundli Swamiji's Mutt, Rs.15100/-
10. 1930 Studebaker, 5 Seater - Shridarappa, Mandya, Rs. 4100/-
11. 1932 Studebaker, Champion Regal Commander, 5 Seater - Sunder State, RS. 4100/-
12. 1937 Ford V8, Station wagon, 9 Seater
13. 1914 Vulcan, 5 Seater
14. 1929 Dodge Graham full passenger bus, 22 seats - D P Nagappa, Shimoga
15. 1914 Rolls Royce Colonial Bus (Red) - 14 seats
16. 1929 Dodge Graham (Half Luggage & Half Passenger Bus), 10 seats - Kudli Swamiji's Mutt, Rs. 3500/-
17. 1935 Chevrolet Lorry (2T) - R C Rudrappa, Vadagenahalli
18. 1932 Ford (4 cyl) Lorry (1 1/2 T) - A M Channamaregowda, Lakshmipur, Nelemangala Taluk
19. 1929 Dodge Graham Full Luggage Van (1 1/2 T) - Raja Saheb, Holenarasipur, Rs. 5000/-
20. 1936 Ford Lorry (2T), Rs. 5100/-
21. 1946 Military Utility Van , Rs. 7000/-"


Notes from 1948-49
10 motor cars purchased, 8 motor vehicles sold

2 Station Wagons, 7 Lorries, 7 Buses, 8 Vans, 38 cars, 4 chassis, 1 horse box & 1 road roller - Total 67 + 1 Roadroller

Notes from 1949-50
Sale of Cars from the Palace Garage
Cars to be auctioned
1. 1913 Daimler (Plate No. 33)
2. 1922 Ford Lorry (Plate No. 59)
3. 1940 Bedford Lorry"

Following cars were for sale
1. 1947 Lincoln V12
2. 1947 Chrysler Windsor
3. 1940 Cadillac
4. 1928 Rolls Royce Phantom 1
5. 1938 Hillman 7 Seater
6. 1913 Daimler
7. 1934 Austin Victoria
8. 1920 Electric Car
9. 1938 Buick 7 Seater
10. 1937 Oldsmobile Bus (26 Seater)
11. 1914 Rolls Royce 14 Seater
12. 1944 Ford Lorry
13. 1940 Bedford Lorry

Chrysler Windsor, Model 1947, Palace Plate No. 53, sold to B K Ramakrishna Rao, Prof. of Medicine, Mysore on 25/01/1950 for RS. 14000/-

Packard Clipper - 6 Cylinder Car,Model 1947, Vehicle no. 2182-13182, Engine No. F.171.B.7, Palace Plate No. 32, sold for RS. 11000/- to T Cheluvachar, Mysore on 23/05/1950

Lincoln V12 Sedan, Model 1947, Palace Plate No. 16, Engine no. H150267 sold to M A Srinivasan Rs. 15000/-"

Cheers

KPS

[travancore]

Originally Posted by KPS

Notes from the Fifth Decade - 1941 to 1950

9. 1926 Rolls Royce (Rustom), 7 Seater - Kundli Swamiji's Mutt, Rs.15100/-
15. 1914 Rolls Royce Colonial Bus (Red) - 14 seats

Lincoln V12 Sedan, Model 1947, Palace Plate No. 16, Engine no. H150267 sold to M A Srinivasan Rs. 15000/-"

Keep it going, KPS!

The two R-R are interesting. The 1926 car is likely Phantom I (110YC).
The 1914 car is probably Silver Ghost, 57YB. Did that end up as a bus ????

Any known pictures of the Lincoln ?

[KPS]

Notes from the Sixth Decade - 1951-1960 (The last of the great Decades)

This the last decade of the fantastic Mysore Cars and with the integration to the Union, the Mysore Garage would never be the same.


Notes from 1950-51
7 vehicles purchased
A sum of Rs. 198,350/- realized from sale of cars

32 cars, 6 utility & delivery vans, 1 wireless car, 1 horse box, 1 station wagon, 2 shooting vans, 4 buses, 4 lorries, 3 chassis - Total 54"

Notes from 1951-52
1 Bus, 3 cars & 4 vans sold of 39,900/-

Vehicles purchased included 1 chevrolet station wagon and 4 Bedford vans for Rs. 31,966/-

Cars - 29, Utility & Delivery Vans - 6, Lorries & Buses - 4, Horse Box - 1, Shooting Vans-1, Wireless Van -1, Lorries & Buses - 8, Total - 51"

Notes from 1952-53
4 cars and 1 van sold for Rs. 96,500/-
2 new Austin cars purchased of Rs. 21,445/-

Vehicles in the garage
1 - Delahaye
6 - Rolls Royces
6 - Bentleys
7 - Daimlers
1 - Victoria Rolls
1 - Phantom Rolls
1 - Victoria Austin
2 - Humbers
2 - Austins
5 - Utility and Delivery Vans
4 - Buses
6 - Lorries
2 - Station Wagons
1 - Wireless Vans
2 - Shooting Vans
1 - Horse Box
48 Total

Notes from 1955-56
5 vehicles sold

Vehicles purchased
2 - Willy's Jeep
1 - Dodge Shooting Van
1 - Commer Chassis
2 - Dodge Lorries
1 - Hindustan Landmaster
2 - Austin Princess

Total 33 vehicles

Notes from 1956-57
C Simondhi was Superintendant till 16/10/56

Vehicles Sold - 12

Vehicles Purchased
2 - Dodge Power Wagon
2 - FIAT cars
Total number of vehicles - 28

Notes from 1957-58
Capt. K R Krishna, ADC to HH, was in charge

Austin Princess car plate no 6 - gifted to Major Sirdar L Mahadevaiah

Delaheye car sold to L Bharat Siingh for Rs. 3000/-

Cadillac car sold to A R Raju at Rs. 15,000/- & FIAT sold to M Jamgamanne at Rs. 8200/-

Total 25 vehilces , including 16 cars

Notes from 1958-59
1. Mercedes-Benz Lorry purchased for Rs. 26,820/-
1 Willys Jeep purchased for and Rs. 15,970/-
.
Willys Jeep bearing Plate No. 27 was sold to J V Chandrashekhar, Barwood Estate, Nilgiris for Rs. 4500/-

Total 25 vehicles, including 15 cars

Notes from 1959-60
1 Willys Jeep with Trailer ( Plate No. 10) sold to Maj Sirdar L Mahadevaiah for Rs. 6000

2 FIAT cars purchased from Messrs. Sundaram Motors for Rs. 22,300/-

1 Austin A70 purchased from Major Sirdar L Mahadevaiah for Rs. 13,000/-

Total 28 vehicles including 15 cars

This is the end of Raman's Notes. He had made these notes from the Palace Records as detailed below

Folders Seen - 189
1908-12 (28)
1908-14 (19)
1911-41 (26)
1912-13 (16)
1913-18 (30)
1913-19 (25)
1930-50 (20)
1939-57 (9)
1949-50 (16)

It has been a great pleasure sharing the Mysore Garage History detailed by a dedicated car enthusiast and historian, K S Raman.

Cheers

KPS

[KPS]

I have collated the summary of the Marques and the respective reference years

The Mysore Garage, a picture to recap the greatness of this collection.
Seen from L to R : Mysore 13, Mysore 4, Mysore 3, Mysore 2, Mysore 1, Mysore ??


As can been seen, the summary shows 56 Marques including Cars, Bikes & Trucks. This is what was documented as per the Notes, but there could have been actually many more. French, British, American, Belgian, Spanish, German cars and more including a humble Hindustan Landmaster!

This is only a summary of Marques, not number of cars, bikes or trucks

The last is Hotchkiss


The last is Wolseley

Originally Posted by travancore

Keep it going, KPS!
The two R-R are interesting. The 1926 car is likely Phantom I (110YC).
The 1914 car is probably Silver Ghost, 57YB. Did that end up as a bus ????
Any known pictures of the Lincoln ?

Thanks travancore.
Your hunch on the RR's could be probably correct, one never knows!
No pictures of the Lincoln, sadly.

Cheers

KPS

[travancore]

A poignant yet lovely picture (September, 1974).
Car seems to be a ca 1968 Plymouth Fury Sport Suburban.

[travancore]

courtesy: Same FB as previous post.



A DE36 (likely MEX-1) with what looks like the Austin Princess following.

[KartikeyaL]

From the Queen's visit

(picture was posted on the Bangalore bygone days page.)