Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section

kadanaJ · 25th December 2010, 11:23

1. Your Car: 2008 Hyundai Verna Sx

2. Your current setup (If any): Stock Hyundai Kenwood System with Stock Speakers

3. Your Budget: 15000-20000

4. Do you drive most of the time or is it chauffer driven? Always Self Driven

5. Your Music preferences (Genres, favorite artists, etc.): Rock, Classic Rock (The Beatles, Rolling Stones) with occasional bouts of hip hop and party rock/clubbing type music when with friends (LMFAO, David Guetta, Black Eyed Peas)

Additional Information:

6. Are you ready to sacrifice your boot space/modify door panels? : No

The only thing i need in my head unit is the ability to connect via USB to my cell phone, or aux input, whatever has better sound. Don't need fancy things like bluetooth, etc. Heck, I probably don't even need CD's.
The front left speaker has gone bust, crackles at loud volume, front set definitely has to be replaced.
Also I'm a complete noob, my first time doing an ICE change from stock

Thanks for any help guys.

gadget.fr · 27th December 2010, 14:33

For a friend:

1. Your Car: _______Swift________

2. Your current setup (If any): _______New car with no stock music system at all_____

3. Your Budget: _____20 to 30K_________

4. Do you drive most of the time or is it chauffer driven? _____self driven_____________

5. Your Music preferences (Genres, favorite artists, etc.): _____film/bollywood music______________

Additional Information:

6. Are you ready to sacrifice your boot space/modify door panels? : _______No__________

Need USB on the HU. Need decent and better than average punch/depth, nothing beyond that.

I noted people on this forum not recommending sony hu/amp/speakers and also the recent models of Pioneer HUs.

Thanks

navin · 27th December 2010, 17:26

gadget,

Since the boot is sacred, I would recommend a HU (7K with 2 preouts), a 4ch amp (6K), a pair of 6" coax in the front (components if minor modifications tot he door are acceptable), and a pair of 6x9 on a MDF rear tray. The Speakers should cost you about 9-12K the rest you could spend on damping (2K), wires (2K), Install, etc..

gadget.fr · 27th December 2010, 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by navin

gadget,

Since the boot is sacred, I would recommend a HU (7K with 2 preouts), a 4ch amp (6K), a pair of 6" coax in the front (components if minor modifications tot he door are acceptable), and a pair of 6x9 on a MDF rear tray. The Speakers should cost you about 9-12K the rest you could spend on damping (2K), wires (2K), Install, etc..

Thanks Navin. Sorry to have missed earlier, but I discouraged my friend from having an MDF rear tray since this causes a lot of rattles in my santro (swift is even more rattle-prone overall), in addition to reducing the already scarce boot space. Could you review your suggestion based on this? Also, is it possible to get decent quality sound without the amp? If possible, he'd like to limit to a good HU with USB and 4 good speakers in the doors. Do the Swift doors take 6 inch speakers? If you could recommend any particular make of HU + speakers, it would be great. If just a HU + 4 in-door speakers can't result in good quality, he will probably agree for the amp set up you suggested.

Thanks again.

navin · 28th December 2010, 10:20

Yes the swift's doors will take 6" speakers but a 6" speaker ina door does not have the bass response of a 6x9" in a trunk/hatch.

HU: Pioneer, JVC, Kenwood, etc..
Speakers: JBL, Blaupunkt, Alpine, etc...

An amplifier will help overall response and especially bass definition and occupies very little space.

HimuraKenshin · 6th January 2011, 21:54

My Car: Swift Vxi
Current setup: None
Budget: 20k
Self driven
genres: Rock(old school), indian classical, trance, Drums and bass

so i go to this car accessories dealer, this is what he suggests:
Pioneer 5250- rs. 6800
Focal 6" components for Rs 4800
Pioneer 6" speakers on rear door
Pioneer ovals on rear parcel tray
A pioneer SVC sub
and a 4 channel sony amp.

What o you guys say? I really dont know anything! :s
my budget is 20k not more than 25k!
thanks a lot!

thelord · 6th January 2011, 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by HimuraKenshin

My Car: Swift Vxi
Current setup: None
Budget: 20k
Self driven
genres: Rock(old school), indian classical, trance, Drums and bass

so i go to this car accessories dealer, this is what he suggests:
Pioneer 5250- rs. 6800
Focal 6" components for Rs 4800
Pioneer 6" speakers on rear door
Pioneer ovals on rear parcel tray
A pioneer SVC sub
and a 4 channel sony amp.

What o you guys say? I really dont know anything! :s
my budget is 20k not more than 25k!
thanks a lot!

Entry level Kenwood HUs beat Pioneer by a fair margin as far as SQ is concerned. I've always found Pioneer entry level HUs to have a sexed up bass and treble response, whereas the Kenwood HUs are more balanced.

For your music taste, I'd suggest the following config

HU - Kenwood (5k)
Front Components - Morel Maximos (6k)
Amplifier - Kenwood M845 (5k)
Sub - Blaupunkt GTw 1200 / JBL GT5 / Bull Audio (4k)
Damping - Noisekill (2k)
Wiring Kit + Install (3k)

Contact Bass&Trouble (Ajay) in Mumbai and I'm sure you'd be able to ICE the Swift the best possible way in 25k.

Cheers!

HimuraKenshin · 7th January 2011, 20:50

thanks!
But i liked the 5250 though! its a brilliant HU!

HimuraKenshin · 8th January 2011, 21:28

hey guys! i have one more question..
the dealer said that even though i am installing components in the front, and 6.5" coaxs on the rear door, the dealer suggested that i install pioneer 6x9s on the rear parcel tray? he said else sound will be too boomy. what do you guys suggest?

DerAlte · 9th January 2011, 16:16

LOL The dealer has a funny logic. 6x9s produce more bass than 6.5" round speakers in the doors, and that bass is boomy and doesn't go as low as a sub. How can the round speakers in the door make the low end boomy and not the 6x9s???

Since you are putting in a sub, it is OK to have 6.5" speakers in the doors. I would avoid the Pio sub, which in itself is boomy even in a sealed box. Better get a JBL, Blaupunkt, Bull, etc. sub in a sealed box.

HimuraKenshin · 9th January 2011, 18:03

so should i not install the 6x9s?
I didnt know pio subs were boomy. thanks for the input.
Boomy according to me is when the bass is too loud and 'flabby' am i right?
are you saying that a JBL or Bull will be more tighter and accurate?
and what do you guys say about the pioneer 5250?
plus the dealer said that he has focal components for 4800. fake right?

thelord · 9th January 2011, 18:14

The dealer is trying to push the products where he gets max margin. Nothing bad in it, but at the end, you won't be satisfied. I'd say, head over to someone knowledgeable who understands and then recommends. Lil pricey? Yes it'll be but you'd be more than satisfied. Pioneer 5250 is a good HU, lot's of features but do try to audition the same setup with a similar priced Kenwood HU and then choose the one you like.

For classic rock and Indian classical, you need speakers that are non-fatiguing which Focal won't be. Check out Rainbow Titans, Morel Maximos, DLS C6A, Bull comps. All of them should suit your taste. Drum-n-Bass is again far complex than your average single note bass tracks, so get a sub that goes sufficiently low, say 35-40 Hz and at the same is quick and tight.

Head over to Ajay in short

HimuraKenshin · 9th January 2011, 18:28

yes! must do that!
ajay is B&T right?

rm_arjuna · 12th January 2011, 16:37

folks my earlier thread got deleted, need help to decide on ICE .
My Car: Scorpio SLE
Current setup: None
Budget: 20k - 25k
Self driven

Am looking at a HU with 3 preouts + usb/sd card+aux
front comp's
rear co-axial's 6X9
4 channel amp - have almost decided to go for JBL 644
looking to add sub at a later stage or if i cud fit within 25k will go ahead now .

M00M · 14th February 2011, 00:25

For people having trouble with their system:

1. Your car: Toyota Corolla Altis

2. Your current setup (Please mention details with model numbers if possible): OEM Toyota Panasonic Double Din 6 CD Changer

3. Description of the problem: System does not start sometimes, jumbled letters, no backlighting, burning smell appeared today.

Please help what i should do ? i am going to go to toyota tomorrow to have it checked out but would appreciate expert advice.

25th December 2010, 11:23	#31
kadanaJ BHPian Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Mumbai Posts: 632 Thanked: 1,205 Times	Re: Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section 1. Your Car: 2008 Hyundai Verna Sx 2. Your current setup (If any): Stock Hyundai Kenwood System with Stock Speakers 3. Your Budget: 15000-20000 4. Do you drive most of the time or is it chauffer driven? Always Self Driven 5. Your Music preferences (Genres, favorite artists, etc.): Rock, Classic Rock (The Beatles, Rolling Stones) with occasional bouts of hip hop and party rock/clubbing type music when with friends (LMFAO, David Guetta, Black Eyed Peas) Additional Information: 6. Are you ready to sacrifice your boot space/modify door panels? : No The only thing i need in my head unit is the ability to connect via USB to my cell phone, or aux input, whatever has better sound. Don't need fancy things like bluetooth, etc. Heck, I probably don't even need CD's. The front left speaker has gone bust, crackles at loud volume, front set definitely has to be replaced. Also I'm a complete noob, my first time doing an ICE change from stock Thanks for any help guys. Last edited by kadanaJ : 25th December 2010 at 11:25.
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27th December 2010, 14:33	#32
gadget.fr BANNED Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 25 Thanked: 0 Times	Re: Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section For a friend: 1. Your Car: _______Swift________ 2. Your current setup (If any): _______New car with no stock music system at all_____ 3. Your Budget: _____20 to 30K_________ 4. Do you drive most of the time or is it chauffer driven? _____self driven_____________ 5. Your Music preferences (Genres, favorite artists, etc.): _____film/bollywood music______________ Additional Information: 6. Are you ready to sacrifice your boot space/modify door panels? : _______No__________ Need USB on the HU. Need decent and better than average punch/depth, nothing beyond that. I noted people on this forum not recommending sony hu/amp/speakers and also the recent models of Pioneer HUs. Thanks
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27th December 2010, 17:26	#33
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,410 Thanked: 9,957 Times	Re: Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section gadget, Since the boot is sacred, I would recommend a HU (7K with 2 preouts), a 4ch amp (6K), a pair of 6" coax in the front (components if minor modifications tot he door are acceptable), and a pair of 6x9 on a MDF rear tray. The Speakers should cost you about 9-12K the rest you could spend on damping (2K), wires (2K), Install, etc..
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28th December 2010, 10:20	#35
navin Team-BHP Support Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mumbai Posts: 25,410 Thanked: 9,957 Times	Re: Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section Yes the swift's doors will take 6" speakers but a 6" speaker ina door does not have the bass response of a 6x9" in a trunk/hatch. HU: Pioneer, JVC, Kenwood, etc.. Speakers: JBL, Blaupunkt, Alpine, etc... An amplifier will help overall response and especially bass definition and occupies very little space.
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6th January 2011, 21:54	#36
HimuraKenshin BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mumbai/London Posts: 287 Thanked: 329 Times	Re: Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section My Car: Swift Vxi Current setup: None Budget: 20k Self driven genres: Rock(old school), indian classical, trance, Drums and bass so i go to this car accessories dealer, this is what he suggests: Pioneer 5250- rs. 6800 Focal 6" components for Rs 4800 Pioneer 6" speakers on rear door Pioneer ovals on rear parcel tray A pioneer SVC sub and a 4 channel sony amp. What o you guys say? I really dont know anything! :s my budget is 20k not more than 25k! thanks a lot!
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7th January 2011, 20:50	#38
HimuraKenshin BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mumbai/London Posts: 287 Thanked: 329 Times	Re: Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section thanks! But i liked the 5250 though! its a brilliant HU!
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8th January 2011, 21:28	#39
HimuraKenshin BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mumbai/London Posts: 287 Thanked: 329 Times	Re: Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section hey guys! i have one more question.. the dealer said that even though i am installing components in the front, and 6.5" coaxs on the rear door, the dealer suggested that i install pioneer 6x9s on the rear parcel tray? he said else sound will be too boomy. what do you guys suggest?
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9th January 2011, 16:16	#40
DerAlte Senior - BHPian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Bangalore Posts: 8,035 Thanked: 2,920 Times	Re: Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section LOL The dealer has a funny logic. 6x9s produce more bass than 6.5" round speakers in the doors, and that bass is boomy and doesn't go as low as a sub. How can the round speakers in the door make the low end boomy and not the 6x9s??? Since you are putting in a sub, it is OK to have 6.5" speakers in the doors. I would avoid the Pio sub, which in itself is boomy even in a sealed box. Better get a JBL, Blaupunkt, Bull, etc. sub in a sealed box.
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9th January 2011, 18:03	#41
HimuraKenshin BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mumbai/London Posts: 287 Thanked: 329 Times	Re: Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section so should i not install the 6x9s? I didnt know pio subs were boomy. thanks for the input. Boomy according to me is when the bass is too loud and 'flabby' am i right? are you saying that a JBL or Bull will be more tighter and accurate? and what do you guys say about the pioneer 5250? plus the dealer said that he has focal components for 4800. fake right?
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9th January 2011, 18:14	#42
thelord BHPian Join Date: May 2009 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 278 Thanked: 5 Times	Re: Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section The dealer is trying to push the products where he gets max margin. Nothing bad in it, but at the end, you won't be satisfied. I'd say, head over to someone knowledgeable who understands and then recommends. Lil pricey? Yes it'll be but you'd be more than satisfied. Pioneer 5250 is a good HU, lot's of features but do try to audition the same setup with a similar priced Kenwood HU and then choose the one you like. For classic rock and Indian classical, you need speakers that are non-fatiguing which Focal won't be. Check out Rainbow Titans, Morel Maximos, DLS C6A, Bull comps. All of them should suit your taste. Drum-n-Bass is again far complex than your average single note bass tracks, so get a sub that goes sufficiently low, say 35-40 Hz and at the same is quick and tight. Head over to Ajay in short
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9th January 2011, 18:28	#43
HimuraKenshin BHPian Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Mumbai/London Posts: 287 Thanked: 329 Times	Re: Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section yes! must do that! ajay is B&T right?
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12th January 2011, 16:37	#44
rm_arjuna BHPian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Hyderabad Posts: 473 Thanked: 166 Times	suggestion required for new ice setup- scorpio folks my earlier thread got deleted, need help to decide on ICE . My Car: Scorpio SLE Current setup: None Budget: 20k - 25k Self driven Am looking at a HU with 3 preouts + usb/sd card+aux front comp's rear co-axial's 6X9 4 channel amp - have almost decided to go for JBL 644 looking to add sub at a later stage or if i cud fit within 25k will go ahead now .
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14th February 2011, 00:25	#45
M00M BHPian Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Mumbai Posts: 855 Thanked: 1,323 Times	Re: Queries in 'Ask the gurus' section For people having trouble with their system: 1. Your car: Toyota Corolla Altis 2. Your current setup (Please mention details with model numbers if possible): OEM Toyota Panasonic Double Din 6 CD Changer 3. Description of the problem: System does not start sometimes, jumbled letters, no backlighting, burning smell appeared today. Please help what i should do ? i am going to go to toyota tomorrow to have it checked out but would appreciate expert advice.
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