[Gansan]

Originally Posted by hothatchaway

When you say brake overhaul does it mean replacement of the master/slave cylinder?

No. They just clean and grease the calipers and drums. And bleed the brakes and fill new brake fluid, the cost of which is charged separately.

[a4anurag]

Originally Posted by hothatchaway

Thanks, when you say fuel injector cleaning is not required is it one of those things I should keep out of the job card at the 20k service? (I have a Alto k10 vxi)

I have never felt any change in the drive after the fuel injector cleaning and I don't believe MASS will do such things on cars when they have so many customers and are super busy.

Keep the cleaning out of the job card.

Originally Posted by hothatchaway

Also, pardon my ignorance, in addition to replacing the brake fluid, does 'brake bleeding' mean draining the any remaining fluid from the entire braking system itself?

Brake bleeding is flushing the old oil from the reservoir till the rotor. It removes the old oil and gets the new oil in the whole line and gets rid of air bubbles if any.

Originally Posted by hothatchaway

When you say brake overhaul does it mean replacement of the master/slave cylinder?

I feel it is more of inspection, lubrication and adjustment. If there is a problem only then parts are replaced else it is inspected and lubricated.

Anurag.

[Gansan]

Surprisingly, they have never suggested injector cleaning for me so far. They do suggest engine flushing and switch to synthetic oil, but I am not biting! I always write "No oil additives" in bold letters on the job card before it is even suggested!

[audioholic]

Originally Posted by hothatchaway

Hi

Just to be clear, is the INR 2500 just the labour charge for the 20k service?

No. Labour for service at 20k is Rs 1200 and some tax. Not a penny more than that

Of course one has to additionally pay for all consumables like engine oil, coolant,transmission oil, brake oil all of which are additional replacements at 20k

If thats the case then the overall bill for a alto/waggie at 20k service should be about 4.5k.

Yes. Consumables are obviously extra. Oil + Oil filter + Gear oil + coolant + brake fluid and air filter are charged extra

Yes. The overall bill must be around 5k for a major service and less than 3k for a 10k service. If anything more than that, you are either ripped or you opted for extras.

Originally Posted by Gansan

This is what I paid at MSM for the 48 month service last June:

Spark plug NGK Rs 327.50
Air Cleaner element Rs 170.00
Oil filter Rs 78.00
Brake fluid Rs 262.00
Coolant Rs 410.00
Gear oil (Shell) Rs 691.00
Misc Rs 151.00
Paid service Rs 1220.00
Brake overhaul Rs 800.00
Electrical check-up Rs 200.00
Interior cleaning (optional) Rs 750.00
VAT and Service tax Rs 669.50

Total at MSM Rs 5729.00
Shel HX-7 (provided by me) Rs 1325.00

Grand total Rs 7054.00

Thats where you were ripped of cash. So they charged 1200 rupees extra and 750 was your opted extra. Hence if we subtract them the bill will come to a bit more than 5k. This is my service breakup:

Gasket - 3.49
Element, Air cleaner - 152
Filter assy, Oil - 78.6
Distilled water - 69.88
Coolant - 205
Brake fluid - 262
Screen wash conc. - 65.5
MGO - 5w30(3L) - 815

Labour:
Paid service(20/60/100K) - 1220
Caliper pin greasing - 275
Brake bleeding - 205(will be refunded shortly )

Total - Parts - 1653, Labour - 1700-(205+275)
Net bill amount - Rs 3803(Will be refunded 480 so make it Rs. 3323)

If I included gear oil, it would have been Rs 3323+ 700 = Rs. 4000 odd.

Originally Posted by hothatchaway

Thanks, when you say fuel injector cleaning is not required is it one of those things I should keep out of the job card at the 20k service? (I have a Alto k10 vxi

Maruti owners booklet does not mention anything called as injector cleaning in their periodic maintenance chart. Neither is Throttle body cleaning, Decarbonisation etc.

The above tasks are to be done by service technicians ONLY when a specific problem is reported by customer. They have issued service bulletins to indicate when this has to be done.

NONE of these are a part of a periodic maintenance schedule.

[hothatchaway]

Originally Posted by audioholic

Gasket - 3.49
Element, Air cleaner - 152
Filter assy, Oil - 78.6
Distilled water - 69.88
Coolant - 205
Brake fluid - 262
Screen wash conc. - 65.5
MGO - 5w30(3L) - 815

Labour:
Paid service(20/60/100K) - 1220
Caliper pin greasing - 275
Brake bleeding - 205(will be refunded shortly )

Total - Parts - 1653, Labour - 1700-(205+275)
Net bill amount - Rs 3803(Will be refunded 480 so make it Rs. 3323)

If I included gear oil, it would have been Rs 3323+ 700 = Rs. 4000 odd.

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err..shouldnt the net bill be 2873 after the 475 refund? There I just saved you a cool 450 bucks

But seriously thanks for the information. My key takeaways for my next 20k service are, brakes cleaning/bleeding/brushing whatever it is, to be included in the 1220 labour charge

Mention very clearly no additives, no TB cleaning, no injector cleaning just follow the bible oops manual!

[audioholic]

Originally Posted by hothatchaway

err..shouldnt the net bill be 2873 after the 475 refund? There I just saved you a cool 450 bucks

But seriously thanks for the information. My key takeaways for my next 20k service are, brakes cleaning/bleeding/brushing whatever it is, to be included in the 1220 labour charge

Mention very clearly no additives, no TB cleaning, no injector cleaning just follow the bible oops manual!

Tax is included in the last part. Hence, add some 14.5% average tax to 2873 and you will get 3300. Just follow manual and put it against the SAs face.

[Kaumad]

Maruti service and maintenance is definitely cheap - surely not a myth!!
I have personally owned and driven 4 Marutis - Omni, Zen MT, [old] Zen AT and [current] SX4. I have never faced any maintenance issue with any of these vehicles.
The trick? - pro-active maintenence and not taking it to MASS, unless absolutely necessary [especially insurance related work].
When I say pro-active maintenance, I am not talking getting under the car and servicing it yourself. Just simple stuff like regular oil changes and consumable replacements [like, brake pads, rubber belts and so on].
I have always made it a point to take the car to a competent independant garage for maintenance.
My current SX4 has done about 79k kms in about 5.5 years and apart from front calipers change, I have not spent any big money on mechanicals. Well, in another thread I have mentioned about a recent accident but thats a different story - the repairs were cosmetic only.
Even after 79k kms, I have absolutely no complaints from the car, does not rattle one bit, returns wonderful f.e. and is a pleasure to drive.

Again, the trick - find a competent independant garage. I cannot think of any other single biggest reason!!

[Gansan]

Originally Posted by Kaumad

I have always made it a point to take the car to a competent independant garage for maintenance.

Can you share the name and location of this garage?

[Kaumad]

Originally Posted by Gansan

Can you share the name and location of this garage?

Sure, here you go!
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/chenna...e-chennai.html

[Gansan]

^^Ah, I didn't realize it was that one. From what I have seen in the mentioned thread, it seems to be as pricey as MSM, but not as equipped.

[Kaumad]

Originally Posted by Gansan

^^Ah, I didn't realize it was that one. From what I have seen in the mentioned thread, it seems to be as pricey as MSM, but not as equipped.

I am not sure I understand what you mean by "equipped" ?!
Apart from not having a dedicated paint booth, I find Ignite much better equipped [diagnostic capabilities, technical understanding, reliability and most importantly trust-worthiness] to address and solve issues than any ASS I have seen.

[Sridhar K]

Got my oil, oil filter and air filter changed at Ignite today for my swift zdi. Here is the cost breakup. I am planning to do my 30k.40k.sservices at MSM to keep my warranty and the intermediate service at Ignite.
Was offered a choice of Shell Helix Ultra, Shell HX6 or Shell HX 7, Mobil delvac mx, delvac 1, mobil1
Shell HX7 -3.5 litres -1325
Oil filter. - - 435
AIR FILTER. - 309
Consumables. - 366
Fog lamp bulb. - 550
Labor. - 600
Service tax on labor. - 74.6

Total. - 3660

[Gansan]

^^ To keep the warranty intact, the MASS will have to do the oil change and record it. Is this oil change an additional one, in between the annual changes at MASS?

[Sridhar K]

^^Yes. It is an additional oil change @ 5000km in between two scheduled service.

[Adi22]

Originally Posted by Sridhar K

Got my oil, oil filter and air filter changed at Ignite today for my swift zdi. Here is the cost breakup. I am planning to do my 30k.40k.sservices at MSM to keep my warranty and the intermediate service at Ignite.
Was offered a choice of Shell Helix Ultra, Shell HX6 or Shell HX 7, Mobil delvac mx, delvac 1, mobil1
Shell HX7 -3.5 litres -1325
Oil filter. - - 435
AIR FILTER. - 309

Hope they have not overfilled you with 3.5 ltrs actually. I believe the right dose is 3.1 for the DDIS (with filter). If overfilled, pls get it drained immediately.

Also, oil & air filter rate little higher than normal ?