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Originally Posted by CarNerd Because you said it was practical. I showed you it isn't by comparing it to a hatchback like Ignis which has 500+ litres of boot space seats folded. |
- Comparing it to a hatch is like comparing apples and oranges.
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Originally Posted by CarNerd My opinion is based on the estimated price of 15 lakhs. |
- Estimates are all over the place. Some say 10, some say 15. Let's not speculate
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Originally Posted by CarNerd How is more space a disadvantage? Infact having a bigger vehicle is a plus point in India. How many elderly people go off-roading sitting behind? The Gurkha is longer, wider with more headroom, legroom than the Jimmy. It has captain seats for all and a boot space of 500 litres which is almost 2.5 times more than Jimmy. |
- Taking more space adds to traffic jam, it's difficult to maneuver in tight spaces, gets scratched easily, not everyone has a budget and space for a fortuner or Thar or Gurkha, and who said anything about elderly going offroad? I mean, they can if they want to. The rear door seats appears perfectly in height for elderly people to get in and out for city runs. Just like those crossovers.
By that logic, the Isuzu V-Cross (which I am a BIG fan of and dream of owning and converting the bed into a pool for a sunday for kids) and toyota hilux must be selling like hot cakes.
There's more to it than that, reliability, fuss-free ownership, cheap maintenance/spares availability, service network etc. etc.
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Originally Posted by CarNerd That would involve spending more and voiding warranty. |
- Warranty and spending - That's a niche risk people are willing to take. Nothing wrong with it.
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Originally Posted by CarNerd Because it is small. It won't work for a normal person as it's uncomfortable for a family. The Jimny is not a real SUV, it's a hatchback with 4x4. |
- Not sure where you're getting that it's uncomfortable, it's a 4 seater. Unless you had a spin on the vehicle, let's wait for the reviews and test drives.
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Originally Posted by CarNerd Because you said it is perfect for a small family to go around the city as it's small. Please read reviews of Jimny to know about its ride quality. |
The reviews online are of 3 door Jimny which is not here. Again, comparing apples to custard apples.
The 4/5 door is longer, heavier at the rear by 100 KGs, has longer wheelbase, that all must theoretically provide better ride quality on tarmac. But let's wait for test drives and reviews.
The reviews giving that are also from the big reviewers. See the individual reviewers who did long trips, they say it's not as bad as the big reviewers make it out to be. A lot of big reviewers are paid up and promoted folks. Always take them with a pinch of salt. Only a self TD or individual, unpaid reviews which are unbiased can be taken up.
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Originally Posted by CarNerd That's not a mountain but a red rock located at Sand Hollow State Park in Utah, USA. Can you share some videos of any vehicle starting from the base of a 1000 feet mountain and going all the way to the top? |
Why would you want to see a vehicle to climb 1000 feet mountain? The offroading enthusiast in me is curious.
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Originally Posted by CarNerd That is exactly my point. Most people buy the Thar for its road presence than going off-road using 4x4, same is the case with Fortuner. People want to be seen in butch vehicles. The Jimny looks like a joke in front of them. |
Jimny is not targeted at people who want absolute road presence. There's Thar 4x2 for that which is the cheapest in the lot with virtually no boot space. The Jimny target market is different. There's a reason why rally cars and the army uses the Gypsy and not those.
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Originally Posted by CarNerd Pre - sales hype is different from long term sales success. We can only wait and watch. |
Let's wait and watch in that case..
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Originally Posted by CarNerd As I said earlier, none of that matters if it's not value for money. Price plays an important role in the Indian market. |
Hope MS doesn't mess pricing up.
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Originally Posted by CarNerd What we need to understand is that niche products usually don't work in a country like India. |
Thar was supposed to be a niche, but not anymore now. SUV market is a growing segment now. BTW Jimny is not a "HATCH WITH 4X4", it's classified as an SUV in India and International markets. for India, it's a sub 4m SUV. In Japan it's a Kei Car, the Indian sub 4m rule is picked from there. So it's a mini SUV. Not the hatch on heels like some other psuedo SUVs.