[dhanushs]

Originally Posted by PYSO

Yes, it does. And at much higher speeds too. You should try it, and see how far it can go and still handle well - I have tried, so I know.

Well, I have tried it beyond any public road can offer and my opinion drastically differs. So no comments on it. I would even say the Gypsy handles better.

Throttle controller has various modes, including specialised modes for off-roading, slushy situations, etc. So it's not something that only makes the car more sporty or high performance.

Exactly a manufacturer wont have the flexibility to give different maps hence the current pedal response in the Jimny.

Much of this perception gap ...

Perception is what the pedal map modifier changes. Not the real engine delivered output.

This discussion has given me so much learnings though. Thank you.

[PYSO]

Originally Posted by dhanushs

I would even say the Gypsy handles better..

Perception.. is what the pedal map modifier changes. Not the any real engine delivered output.

Throttle controller doesn't merely change perception. It changes the throttle response.

Now you could instead fit a turbo kit to the Jimny. Will that help. Yes it would lead to better engine power. But will that negate the need for a throttle controller? Absolutely not. The throttle response will still be poor - but now with a more powerful engine.

You don't believe me? Read the posts by Shankar Balan in this thread a day ago. He has fitted Throttle controller to the Thar turbo petrol and he can appreciate the difference. He has then gone and fitted a throttle controller to his mini Cooper which again has a turbo petrol engine and he appreciates the difference there too. So the throttle controller does indeed improve the performance of turbo petrol cars too.

That brings us to the question - which is the wiser thing to do? Fit a turbo kit costing a few lakhs to the Jimny? Or fit the a throttle controller costing less than 15K?

The answer to me is obvious. If you are happy with the power and performance of the Thar petrol, then you will be more than happy with the power and performance of a Jimny with a throttle controller installed. Because the Jimny has exactly the same power to weight ratio as the Thar petrol, and will give you as good and even better performance with the throttle controller fitted.

If you are not happy with the power and performance on par with Thar petrol, but want much more from the Jimny - then install a turbo kit + Throttle controller. You will get a monster machine.

Let me summarise in the simplest language possible. The Jimny doesn't need a more powerful engine. It already has a powerful engine. What it simply needs is better throttle response. That's all it needs.

And your point about Gypsy handling better than Jimny - I can only hope is some sort of sarcastic humour

[King Julien]

Originally Posted by Neil Roy

I have booked Jimny shocks from Dr.Nano suspension. Costs Rs.25000/- for all 4 shocks. Once I install it, I'll update on the forum. I have used Nano suspension for my Old gen Thar and the ride quality was way better than OE. Fingers crossed that it works for Jimny too.

How has your experience with the Dr Nano upgrade been?
I am trying to decide between this (which is the most affordable), Tough Dog, and Ironman, which are progressively more expensive.

My use case of the car is 90% or more on road (city and highway), and an eager off-road whenever I get the opportunity.
Am primarily looking for better stability and comfort on road, and less body roll on hill turns and curves.

[shankar.balan]

I think this thread has gone into a tail spin. Much ado about nothing.

Suffice it to say (as a lot of people here, including myself, have said repeatedly), that the Thar and the Jimny are widely different. It is futile to compare the two. The target segments themselves are totally different.

Those who buy the Thar buy it at least partially because of its ‘Jeep Wrangler copied Design aesthetic’, large size, solid linear power, seeming indestructibility and its ability to fearlessly handle our horrible roads and no roads. Of course there is also the make-believe’ world that one would like to inhabit and thus escape the tyranny of the mundane. The Thar gives us this as well. I know I bought my WRONGLER for all of these reasons amongst others. As I’ve said before, the addition of the Throttle Controller to my already powerful and responsive Thar, has only further enhanced the driving experience and made it even more responsive and linear. To me, that alone is worth the investment made.

Those who buy the Jimny buy it for its 4 passenger doors, small footprint and narrow, neat proportions and its ability to soak up any and all bumps without causing discomfort to the occupants. Indeed as most of us have repeatedly said, this is ideal for our narrow city streets and narrow and winding hill roads and switchbacks (hairpin bends) and all. Its go-anywhere ability is proven to be world class, as is its engineering, so much so that there is a big long waiting list for it across the world. Now, indeed it has a small naturally aspirated engine and a 4 speed gearbox and these cannot, by any stretch, compete with the bigger, better geared and more powerful Thar. They are chalk and cheese and hence as I said before, it is a futile waste of time to compare and/ or attempt to justify one over the other. The addition of the throttle controller will help those Jimny owners who are looking for better responsiveness. The addition of a more expensive ‘bolt-on turbo snail’ will delight those owners who are looking for more power by way of forced induction. And the latter set, will also see a further enhancement in performance if they add the throttle controller to the mix. I guess those who really want super-boosters can do remaps as well.

But the fundamental thing is that these throttle controllers definitely do enhance the response and make the driving experience a more enjoyable one.
It gives that confidence in terms of responsiveness by removing that ‘lag’ and ‘flat spot’ however miniscule those may be. (Case in point is my Cooper S, which cannot be said to have a gutless engine and which is by no means, a slouch.)

Enough said, I think.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by PYSO

I tend to disagree here.

Some kind of FAKE myth is

Now if you want the Jimny to do 0 to 100 kmph in 8 seconds, by all means go and install a turbo kit costing a few lakhs + throttle controller costing 15K. But if you want Jimny to perform like any other C segment car doing 0 to 100 kmph in 11 seconds, then installing a throttle controller costing 15K will suffice.

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Somewhere there is a disconnect.
No one is advocating a sprint race between the Thar and the Jimny. Neither of them are meant to be sprinters.
All that I have been saying consistently is that the throttle controller genuinely makes a difference by removing that ‘lag’ and ‘flat spot’. I am writing this while at a breakfast stop on the road. On the way to Madras and I am enjoying the feel of my thar with the Throttle Controller on its Ultimate 9 setting.
One has to of course be smooth in ones acceleration to enjoy this to the fullest. I believe it will have the same positive effect on the Jimny.

[gsferrari]

In my review I have clearly stated what the throttle tuner does and what it doesn't do. If your jam is driving around with your right foot buried in the carpet, be my guest. But if you are commenting without having driven a car with a throttle tuner then you are being rather disingenuous.

It does what is says on the box and it puts a smile on my face. What you think of it has no bearing on either of the real-world outcomes.

[Neil Roy]

Originally Posted by shankar.balan

...... On the way to Madras and I am enjoying the feel of my thar with the Throttle Controller on its Ultimate 9 setting.

For whatever reason you're coming to Madras, you should wipe out the silly grin off your face or the people you meet will think that you have facial paralysis or even worse. I know, cos I couldnt stop smiling enough after my first long drive in the Jimny with the throttle controller. I can only imagine what the Thar would have done to you.

Originally Posted by King Julien

How has your experience with the Dr Nano upgrade been?
I am trying to decide between this (which is the most affordable), Tough Dog, and Ironman, which are progressively more expensive.

My use case of the car is 90% or more on road (city and highway), and an eager off-road whenever I get the opportunity.
Am primarily looking for better stability and comfort on road, and less body roll on hill turns and curves.

Dr. Nano is the most budget friendly. The ride is definitely more planted and the Jimny handles beautifully at high speeds. That with a throttle controller and NGK performance spark plugs is the poor man's upgrade to Jimny. The ride is more stiff and bumpiness has increased in bad roads. If you have good road commute regularly, nano itself is sufficient.

Originally Posted by dhanushs

Perception is what the pedal map modifier changes. Not the real engine delivered output.

You are right about the engine output. Nothing changes there. It is still the 104 horses under the hood. What the pedal map does is make the most of the 104 horses to gallop and that is definitely no perception.
I really hope that this comparison makes sense to you. Imagine a fan speed regulator. There are fixed stepped speed regulators and the dial type speed regulators. The throttle controller works on the same premise. It is just a variable resistor controlled output, like the one we use to do as kids in the science laboratory. The minimum and the maximum current is the same. The minimum is the Idle and the maximum is the full power output. With the throttle controller, you just get more options and reduced lag in the electrical signals. This is the basic concept.

[jackofsome]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

From a utility perspective, Jimny can be a good one car garage 4x4 vehicle - but the problem is as soon as you learn to drive well, there is nothing in it to keep you going. Thar on the other hand will run rings around not just Jimny but many other cars below above its price point with its performance. Its truly a high speed Jeep that can carry its speed very well because of its mechanical as well as electronic bits - try it and you`ll be amazed how good it is well above speed limit.

The last time i saw the Thar is a high 11 sec car. By Jimny’s yardstick it’s definitely faster. But any other car’s yardstick in that price range its basic for 2023. But post 100 kmph its a jiggly dilly dally affair. The steering and the chassis don't talk to each other. And the suspension behaves on a different planet. So before running rings it may topple.

So i see this coloured that it can behave well above speed limit. But ofcourse these are all on road and its okay because its not meant to cruise at high speeds. And for an experienced driver the Jimny offer much more than tarmac scorching performance.

[Kosfactor]

Originally Posted by jackofsome

The last time i saw the Thar is a high 11 sec car. By Jimny’s yardstick it’s definitely faster. But any other car’s yardstick in that price range its basic for 2023. But post 100 kmph its a jiggly dilly dally affair. The steering and the chassis don't talk to each other. And the suspension behaves on a different planet. So before running rings it may topple.

So i see this coloured that it can behave well above speed limit. But ofcourse these are all on road and its okay because its not meant to cruise at high speeds. And for an experienced driver the Jimny offer much more than tarmac scorching performance.

10.2 seconds to the 100 according to Autocar, certainly a fast vehicle by 2023 standards.

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Quite the opposite of what you have imagined , infact even the older Thar CRDe handles triple digit speeds with ease, everything works well together. The new one can run at 150 at ease all day, it won't make you feel nervous at all.

The fundamental difference between these vehicles is that Thar is meant to go fast, it's part of it's design.Jimny is a bit old school, 3 link front end , solid axle, RCBT steering, soft suspension etc, it's not meant to go fast. It has 4 doors , a more comfortable ride on rough roads at moderate speeds - that works for its intended use case.

[jackofsome]

Originally Posted by Kosfactor

10.2 seconds to the 100 according to Autocar, certainly a fast vehicle by 2023 standards.

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Quite the opposite of what you have imagined , infact even the older Thar CRDe handles triple digit speeds with ease, everything works well together. The new one can run at 150 at ease all day, it won't make you feel nervous at all.

The fundamental difference between these vehicles is that Thar is meant to go fast, it's part of it's design.Jimny is a bit old school, 3 link front end , solid axle, RCBT steering, soft suspension etc, it's not meant to go fast. It has 4 doors , a more comfortable ride on rough roads at moderate speeds - that works for its intended use case.

I have not imagined. I have said what it is as a vehicle on the road. But calling it a ‘fast vehicle with good road manners’ is pushing it a bit. But thats all on this discussion from me. Back to the lovely plucky Jimny that I could not buy yet.

[IB290]

Majority of Thars I see have black tints and number plates that aren’t exactly readable. And the sight of one hurtling down the road is scary. Hopefully, and thankfully, Jimny won’t get that persona.

[shankar.balan]

Originally Posted by IB290

Majority of Thars I see have black tints and number plates that aren’t exactly readable. And the sight of one hurtling down the road is scary. Hopefully, and thankfully, Jimny won’t get that persona.

This is an observation which can apply to many cars. Innovas, Fortuners etc as well. It’s not the poor vehicle, it’s more the Devils inside it, in the driving seat and passenger seat.
So better not to generalise.

[bhupesh]

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Got this really cute bag in Tokyo

[Neil Roy]

On a whim, I called up my SA in Popular Nexa, Chennai and asked her about the discounts and the choice of colors available for the Jimny in the ZETA variant. Surprisingly, only one color choice was available in stock and that too, only 2 numbers were there. To cross verify, I called up Athens Nexa in nagercoil and enquired about the offers and the stock position. Even there, only 1 Zeta AT was was available as ready stock. Here's the kicker. Both of the dealers have immediate delivery for Alpha Variant for any choice of color and with dual tone too. I doubt if any significant discounts will be given for Alpha variant immediately, but come the year end, one can bargain for stock clearance if the stocks are still available.

[INDIAN_VAGABOND]

I have followed the discussion on this thread about Throttle Controllers with great interest.

There is a need to address this issue in totality for the sake of Jimny owners.

In the early days; in the Pedal & Cable based Accelerator set-up, the acceleration (and the amount of fuel that goes to the engine) were proportional to the press on the pedal; it was linear, no press = no fuel, 50% press = 50% throttle open and full press = max throttle open & full fuel.

The car manufacturers wanted to control this mainly not only to comply with energy efficiency standards, but also to introduce new driving modes in Cars within the available throttle response zone.

Enter the ECU.

The mechanical cable was replaced by a 'Voltage' coming from the pedal. ECU interprets that for each voltage, there is a corresponding opening in the throttle.

Now, to the Throttle Controller.

A throttle controller is basically an electronic gadget that manipulates this voltage. It is installed between the pedal (accelerator) and the ECU and for every press of the pedal, it sends different voltage to the ECU (different from the factory setting), depending on which mode the Throttle controller is set to. ECU will open the fuel throttle as per the voltage it receives from the Throttle controller and not anymore from the electronics in the accelerator pedal. This permits the initial burst of sporty driving, because the percentage of the opened throttle is much higher than the factory mode.

But the Maximum Throttle Opening remains the same. Throttle Controller helps you reach the maximum throttle opening faster than Factory ECU settings; by manipulating the voltage, Throttle opening and (most importantly) the Engine Response.

Now, will Throttle Contrllollers harm the ECU?
NO. Simply because the throttle controller sends a signal within the range acceptable by the ECU and the ECU will respond normally to that signal.

However, it is the mechanics behind harsh accelerations that could suffer; so the pertinent question should be:-

"Does the use of Throttle controller affect the lifespan of a Car's mechanical components?”


To answer that question; as a byproduct of altering Engine Performance, Throttle Controller will also produce:-

Higher emissions & more Smoke

Higher Fuel consumption (as extra throttle opening in the same range consumes more fuel)

Higher engine wear and tear, resulting in reduced engine life; because we are altering Engine Performance from the Original Deisgn Curve.

Greatly increased potential for major engine failure, as the internal engine components may not be designed to frequently handle the increased pressures and temperatures due to higher throttle opening at the lower end of the curve.

To conclude,
If you have 'brought' home the Jimny for long term ownership and engine durability, avoid Throttle Controllers.

If you have 'bought' the Jimny for initial few years of fun and better low-end response, go ahead with Throttle Controllers; and also make it a point to dispose the Jimny in Used Car Market before first signs of trouble emerge.

If there was an easy way for an Engine to produce more Power and Torque, use less fuel while maintaining emissions levels and engine durability, all at the same time (claims made by Throttle Controller manufacturers); the engine manufactures would do this themselves.

If we expect the Jimny to be a lifetime member of our garage, let's respect the Jimny for what it does the best; rather than pushing it to achieve something that it is originally not designed for.