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Old 24th August 2023, 19:16   #38746
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Re: Maruti Jimny Review

Jimny and the pickup accident, I've noticed that most of the pickups that ferry new 2 wheelers have enlarged platforms protruding outside the original frame of the vehicle. This is extremely dangerous, especially at night. That protruding part is most often missed at night because while driving, a general judgement of size is taken into account with the help of the headlights. This pickup also appears to have an enlarged loading bay and that most probably has caused the accident. I'll upload an image of that type of pickup once I click it.
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Old 24th August 2023, 19:20   #38747
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This country needs an urgent education policy of the populace in traffic rules and helping those involved in an accident.
Most of the time, it's advisable to not lift the accident victims by non-professionals. I have seen a lot of videos where people just grab people who have had broken skull, ribs, joints etc. by their hands and legs exacerbating the victim's injuries. It's hard to say if time is important or the proper handling is importand and no common people should be put in that position to make a decision or feel guilty.
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Old 24th August 2023, 19:27   #38748
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How come the frame is scattered like a cardboard box I know Suzuki cut corners on sheet metal, but this is just troubling at so many levels. The A Pillar & B pillars are missing and this is the first time I am seeing metal not bending or twisting but just shearing off like thermocol. Not a good post for an official review thread as many BHPians are putting their hard earned money on this product.

@Experts from metallurgy side, what could be the reason of such a poor performance.

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Old 24th August 2023, 23:03   #38749
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How come the frame is scattered like a cardboard box I know Suzuki cut corners on sheet metal, but this is just troubling at so many levels. The A Pillar & B pillars are missing and this is the first time I am seeing metal not bending or twisting but just shearing off like thermocol. Not a good post for an official review thread as many BHPians are putting their hard earned money on this product.
@Experts from metallurgy side, what could be the reason of such a poor performance.
Pre-concieved notions about Maruti aside, how can we judge the performance without knowing hard facts? What was the speed of the Bolero? What was the angle of impact? Did the Jimny already have a rollover, and then got hit by Bolero?

Even a Rolls Royce was burnt to the ground, as reported a few post earlier. We never say they cut corners based on that accident. I would not derive conclusions, based on post accident videos.

In my opinion, thickness of sheet metal does not really provide safety. It may alter the cost of repair for minor accidents. Safety features like well designed crumple zones and other tech features keep people safe. I am not a metallurgical engineer, or a structural engineer.
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Old 24th August 2023, 23:32   #38750
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Hi All,

What are your thoughts on this video?

Seems like the frame on one side got completely torn by the Bolero Pick up truck?

https://www.reddit.com/r/CarsIndia/c...uck_in_kerala/
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Jimny and the pickup accident, I've noticed that most of the pickups that ferry new 2 wheelers have enlarged platforms protruding outside the original frame of the vehicle.
I'm wondering what could have made Jimny/Bolero drivers to cross so close to each other. Even if we consider extended frame of Bolero as the cause of accident, it seems to be protruding out by about same length as that of ORVMs.
Hence, extended frame or not, this small gap itself could be dangerous while crossing/overtaking. Only in this case, it proved to be 100% fatal.
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Old 25th August 2023, 06:09   #38751
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Came across another accident video on my YT involving a 2-wheeler and a bus.

Link : (Please skip to 0.58 seconds in the interest of time).
https://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=ZzMgNKzRE2M

... And day by day, my belief of not owning a 2-wheeler for myself/family grows exponentially, after coming across such horrible scenes.
Well, if someone rides the way the lady rode then sure thing don't saddle.

If a rider or driver doesn't move their head 90-150 degrees either side when at intersections or changing lanes then it's only a matter of time when the dreadful happens. Life gives us few chances, close calls and we assume it won't get worse. Well, the worst shows up one day as a speeding truck or bus or some animal.

Many a times, I do sincerely wonder about this extreme level of anxiety people (including me) get on seeing the amber light. My level of anxiety in this situation gets paralleled by that last ball Chetan Sharma-Miandad scenario. I felt ridiculous about myself.

Not long ago, I realized that between stopping at amber and getting green , there was only 90 seconds gap, 30secs traffic flow period each side at a round about. That's it, 90 seconds !!

Since then, almost always if I feel the anxiety to anything stupid, I turn off my vehicle's ignition so as to nip the evil in the bud.

I feel so sad for the lady & her kin. RIP.
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Old 25th August 2023, 07:44   #38752
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Many a times, I do sincerely wonder about this extreme level of anxiety people (including me) get on seeing the amber light.
I, for one, would gladly slow down and stop if I see light about to turn amber while approaching an intersection.

However, I'm always fearful that someone behind me would be racing against the signal and might rear-end or side swipe me. Hence, I too get this anxiety sometimes that makes me want to cross the signal at amber light (which I still avoid as far as possible).

Secondly, never be among the first ones to cross an intersection after the light turns green, as there will definitely be someone anxious who'd be crossing when their respective light is about to turn from amber to red or jump the red light.

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Old 25th August 2023, 08:34   #38753
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How come the frame is scattered like a cardboard box I know Suzuki cut corners on sheet metal, but this is just troubling at so many levels. The A Pillar & B pillars are missing and this is the first time I am seeing metal not bending or twisting but just shearing off like thermocol. Not a good post for an official review thread as many BHPians are putting their hard earned money on this product.

@Experts from metallurgy side, what could be the reason of such a poor performance.

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I thought some one said that the body of jimny had to be cut by the rescue team.
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A 10cr. worth Rolls Royce Phantom meets with an accident due to a moron driving a worst possible vehicle to be on wrong side of an expressway that too at high speed. Luckily, the occupants in the car survived but the same wasn't the case with the idiots driving the tanker. Whats wrong with people? Authorities still sleeping after the school bus incident? Irresponsibility and stupidity at its peak.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...1.cms?from=mdr
I believe there is an update on the article, with the truth being that Rolls Royce hit the tanker from behind at 200kmph. The poor tanker driver was not at fault, and only the deceased truck driver and his co-passenger are mentioned with no other details on the Rolls Royce owner/driver or the convoy they were in.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...3.cms?from=mdr

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Rampreet is unlikely to have known what hit him. The diesel tanker he was driving juddered, lurched and flipped in the blink of an eye, killing him and his co-driver on the spot.

A police case was registered, for rash driving and causing death by negligence. Rampreet, it was said, was driving on the wrong side and had crashed head-on at high speed into a Rolls-Royce.

But that's not what happened. The theory that Rampreet was the cause of the accident on the Gurgaon-Dausa section of the Delhi-Mumbai Expressway on August 22 has been turned on its head by CCTV footage that has come to light. Rampreet, it shows, broke no rules. It was the Rolls-Royce that was blitzing at over 200kmph and smashed into the rear of his tanker.
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Delhi-Mumbai e-way accident: Convoy given uninterrupted passage at toll plaza. A police officer said the Rolls-Royce was part of a 20-vehicle convoy with two escort vehicles, which were mounted with red beacons and had security personnel in blue safari suits.

CCTV footage shows the convoy in Alipur moving towards Rajasthan at 11.11am. A few minutes later, the Rolls-Royce breaks away from the convoy, changes lanes and accelerates.

It covered a stretch of 40km and crossed a toll plaza over the next 12 minutes, which means it was clocking around 200kmph when it crashed into the tanker in Nuh (at the expressway's 40.9km mark).

It appears the Rolls-Royce lost control and hit the tanker in the middle lane. The car caught fire and the tanker flipped.

The occupants of the Rolls-Royce were pulled out by security personnel of the convoy, which had caught up by then. The convoy took a U-turn and went back towards Gurgaon. On the way, videos show, it was given uninterrupted passage at the toll plaza.
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A 10cr. worth Rolls Royce Phantom meets with an accident due to a moron driving a worst possible vehicle to be on wrong side of an expressway that too at high speed. Luckily, the occupants in the car survived but the same wasn't the case with the idiots driving the tanker. Whats wrong with people? Authorities still sleeping after the school bus incident? Irresponsibility and stupidity at its peak.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/.../103038953.cms

Apparently, the moron was actually not a moron but lost his life through no fault of his own.
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Old 25th August 2023, 10:48   #38756
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Seeing how the Rolls Royce story has turned on its head several times I strongly believe there should be a separate thread for accidents for which there is actual footage that's accessible. The speculation and 'analysis' based on a few pictures is often ridiculous, especially for this forum and I have been guilty of the same as well on occasion. We cannot judge anything at all from a few pictures or videos of the aftermath of a crash. Even with footage it's sometimes difficult to judge certain things.
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https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/.../103038953.cms

Apparently, the moron was actually not a moron but lost his life through no fault of his own.
In India, money can't buy happiness; but it can definitely buy things that bring happiness. No publication, media outlet has mentioned the name of the culprit, but the poor victims names are flashed across. Police and the PR team of the said VVIP tried to cook up a story and diverted the public attention for the first 2 days. They might have even given a fake name to the VVIPs and it was in news initially, but removed now.

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No wonder we do have a long running thread on immigration as well
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Old 25th August 2023, 11:18   #38758
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Pre-concieved notions about Maruti aside, how can we judge the performance without knowing hard facts? What was the speed of the Bolero? What was the angle of impact? Did the Jimny already have a rollover, and then got hit by Bolero?
You are right I jumped quickly to the conclusion before knowing hard facts. But, the damage to the bolero speaks for itself. Not an expert myself, but the state of Jimmy is pathetic and Bolero is Intact. Also, read the comments on the news report where bystanders said that the car was around 70-80KMS. As a consumer and layman I will trust what I see and I have seen multiple instances where Maruti Suzuki cars shredded like paper and others with scratches and minor dents.

In the Rolls Royce Incident, the car crashed and occupants came out with minor injuries. Again as a road user and a consumer, for me the car saved the people.

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I thought some one said that the body of jimny had to be cut by the rescue team.
I thought the same earlier, but you can see the entire roof, A&B pillars are hanging on the side of the bolero Pickup without any substantial damage to the pickup.

On a separate note, I know it's not that simple for the manufacturers, but how come roadside garages use iron/steel members so tough at a fraction of cost to build the Juggad frame? Is the cost cutting so high that even the car manufacturers like Maruti Suzuki cannot afford decent sheet metal or members for critical places on a structure? Also, this is the second accident I saw on T-BHP with the same type of outcome for Jimny.

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I thought the same earlier, but you can see the entire roof, A&B pillars are hanging on the side of the bolero Pickup without any substantial damage to the pickup.

On a separate note, I know it's not that simple for the manufacturers, but how come roadside garages use iron/steel members so tough at a fraction of cost to build the Juggad frame? Is the cost cutting so high that even the car manufacturers like Maruti Suzuki cannot afford decent sheet metal or members for critical places on a structure? Also, this is the second accident I saw on T-BHP with the same type of outcome for Jimny.

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My opinion on this is the fabrication done at roadside garages don't have to pass any regulations. In most cases, they are not taking pedestrian or road safety into account while choosing the material. As they are meant for load carrying and tethering, only the strength and thickness is focused. Also the design mostly wouldn't have curved edges which might've not sheared Jimny's sheet metal as this sharp edged frame of the pickup have done.

The same applies with the now illegal bull bars. The impact it creates on the victim is more damaging than a normal bumper would do. Sadly the manufacturers and crash ratings don't consider the danger factor multiplied by these.
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Old 25th August 2023, 14:07   #38760
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The width of the loading bay on the Bolero is clearly wider than the bolero cabin.
In this case warning or hazard lights need to be fixed to indicate the width of the vehicle. In absense of these hazard lights the Bolero's head lights were the only warning to indicate the width of the Bolero. This was probably not factored by the poor Jimny driver which caused the doors of the Jimny to be torn off.
I wonder how loading bays wider than the width of the front cabin are allowed and passed by the RTO. I see so many vehicle transport trucks on our highways plying unfettered with the loading bay wider by atleast 2 feet on either side without any hazard lights.
Here we are fined for adding accesories on the exterior of the car. Seriously we need to file a PIL allowing proper bull bars all around to keep us safe from the scores of ignoramuses and idiots bantering on our roads like pedestrians, bullock carts , bike, car and trucks with everything illegal on them.


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